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Belief in a literal Adam is entirely necessary for salvation. -
01-25-2013, 11:22 PM
Hippy-dippy liberal false Christians love to water down Christianity beyond recognition to make it fit modern secular notions. One of their favorite ways of doing so is to say that large sections of the Old Testament, including all of Genesis, are allegories. The problem is that, according to the Bible itself, salvation is conditioned on a literal acceptance of the Old Testament, going back to the first human being, Adam.
First, we must reject any doctrine that implies that Our Lord died in vain:
Galatians 2:21: I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
We must therefore accept the reason why Christ had to come in the first place:
Romans 5:14, 18-19: Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. * * * Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
In other words, it was a literal sin committed by a literal Adam, clearly identified as "one man," that required Christ to die for our salvation. If you do not believe in a literal sin committed by one man, a literal Adam, you reject the reason why Christ had to come. If you reject that reason, the only other possibility is that Christ died in vain. If you believe that Christ died in vain, you don't believe in Him, and if you don't believe in Him, you are hellbound:
John 3:18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Believing in Christ doesn't mean just accepting that He exists. The Pharisees didn't dispute His existence.
"But, Pastor," one might object, "why can't we believe in an allegorical Adam and still accept Christ's gift of salvation?" The answer is that the passage from Romans quoted above clearly talks about a literal Adam. Real people do not agree to die agonizing deaths for the sake of an allegory. To put it another way, if you can believe that Adam was an allegory, how can you consistently argue that Christ wasn't just an allegory as well?
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Re: Belief in a literal Adam is entirely necessary for salvation. -
01-25-2013, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Isaac Peters
Hippy-dippy liberal false Christians love to water down Christianity beyond recognition to make it fit modern secular notions. One of their favorite ways of doing so is to say that large sections of the Old Testament, including all of Genesis, are allegories. The problem is that, according to the Bible itself, salvation is conditioned on a literal acceptance of the Old Testament, going back to the first human being, Adam.
First, we must reject any doctrine that implies that Our Lord died in vain:
Galatians 2:21: I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness [come] by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
We must therefore accept the reason why Christ had to come in the first place:
Romans 5:14, 18-19: Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. * * * Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon all men unto justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
In other words, it was a literal sin committed by a literal Adam, clearly identified as "one man," that required Christ to die for our salvation. If you do not believe in a literal sin committed by one man, a literal Adam, you reject the reason why Christ had to come. If you reject that reason, the only other possibility is that Christ died in vain. If you believe that Christ died in vain, you don't believe in Him, and if you don't believe in Him, you are hellbound:
John 3:18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Believing in Christ doesn't mean just accepting that He exists. The Pharisees didn't dispute His existence.
"But, Pastor," one might object, "why can't we believe in an allegorical Adam and still accept Christ's gift of salvation?" The answer is that the passage from Romans quoted above clearly talks about a literal Adam. Real people do not agree to die agonizing deaths for the sake of an allegory. To put it another way, if you can believe that Adam was an allegory, how can you consistently argue that Christ wasn't just an allegory as well?
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Wonderfully put Pastor. I also would like to point out that the above passage from Romans makes it abundantly clear that each and every human being that ever lived, up until Moses, is destined for never ending torment in the fires of hell come the Judgement.
They never knew Christ, and yet they lived in sin due to Adam's transgression. Moses was a special case of course, as he was God's messenger on earth. God gave him a heavenly mulligan for not being born after Christ's birth.
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Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. James 1:21
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Re: Belief in a literal Adam is entirely necessary for salvation. -
01-25-2013, 11:40 PM
Some may disagree, but I do believe in a literal Adam. There are parts of the Bible that I do believe are allegory, but Adam isn't one of them. Sometimes you have to let the Bible speak for itself. Read the first chapters of Genesis without any interpretation other than your own and you will see that if you do choose to believe the Bible then you must believe in a literal Adam. By one man did sin enter the world, and by one man can you be forgiven of your sins. There are also many other things of course that are hard to believe. Noah's ark is a tough one for me. I do believe in the world wide flood quite literally, but getting all those animals on board one ark seems like an impossible task, but what is more impossible, the ark or Jesus coming back from the dead. When I say I believe the Bible from cover to cover, I mean it! I think God will be using a nice portion of eternity showing us how He made the impossible to be possible!
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Re: Belief in a literal Adam is entirely necessary for salvation. -
01-25-2013, 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Paragon of virtue
Some may disagree, but I do believe in a literal Adam. There are parts of the Bible that I do believe are allegory . . .
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I stopped reading right there. Friend, the entire King James Bible is literally true. Every fact, figure, description of events, objects, people or animals is 100% accurate. To say anything other than that is heresy.
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Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. James 1:21
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Re: Belief in a literal Adam is entirely necessary for salvation. -
01-26-2013, 02:14 AM
I didn't even know there were people out there who didn't believe in Adam. Who do they think named all the animals?
If it weren't for Adam, we wouldn't know an aardvark from a zebra!
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Re: Belief in a literal Adam is entirely necessary for salvation. -
01-26-2013, 03:16 AM
Well of course Adam existed. Where else did we come from, monkeys?
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Re: Belief in a literal Adam is entirely necessary for salvation. -
01-26-2013, 04:05 AM
Amen, glory to God in the highest.
It's also worth mentioning that without a belief in the literal Second Coming of Jesus, as prophesied in the book of Revelation, then the mechanics of Salvation™ described in the Holy Bible simply don't pan out. Without the literal resurrection of the dead, we would simply remain in a state of unknowingness, as we are told in Ecclesiastes.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-6
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Without a literal Second Coming, tribulation, millenium, and Judgment Day, all our efforts at being the best True Christians™ we can be will have been all for nothing. Without literal resurrection of the dead, the entirety of Christian dogma falls apart at the seams.
It sure is a good thing we know the Holy Bible to be 100% inerrant and completely reliable for prophecy. Otherwise, we'd be wasting our lives and causing ourselves and those around us unnecessary anxiety. We may even go as far as to instead spend our time planning for the future of human civilization, rather than considering it a lost cause in light of the impending End Times as we do now.
It sure is great to know with 100% certainty that the dead will literally be resurrected, though. Right guys?
II Thessalonians 1:7-9
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power
The man who is being progressively sanctified will inescapably sanctify his home, school, politics, economics, science, and all things else by understanding and interpreting all things in terms of the Word of God and by bringing all things under the Dominion of Christ the King. -R.J. Rushdoony
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Re: Belief in a literal Adam is entirely necessary for salvation. -
01-26-2013, 04:55 AM
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: Belief in a literal Adam is entirely necessary for salvation. -
01-26-2013, 05:16 AM
This is so important to understand. If you don't believe that there was one man and one woman in the Garden of Eden, Eve came from Adam's rib, the earth was created in six days, Noah's Ark and every single thing Genesis tells you to, you can't believe that Jesus was born from a virgin, did miracles like walking on water, calming a storm, turning water to wine, died and came back to life.
As we as True Christians ™ know, Moses is the author of Genesis. Don't believe me? Ask the really smart people over at CARM. They will tell you the same thing.
Therefore, you must believe Moses or you cannot believe Jesus.
John 5:46-47
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Christians are superior because we possess an understanding that unbelievers lack. It is through the Power of Jesus only the converted mind is able to understand what is going on in the world; what the Communists are really up to; what Satan's intentions are. Most unbelievers do not even believe in Satan and cannot understand his tactics.
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