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Conservatives Say "Bible Too Liberal" & Make Their Own Version -
10-07-2009, 12:25 AM
Is the Bible too liberal? Some conservatives say Yes (but go about it the wrong way)
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It has been recently been brought to my attention that there is a group of well-meaning, but wrong group of Conservatives that seek to create a new translation of the Bible for the 21st century with a Conservative slant, and eradicating former liberal errors. It is called the "Conservative Bible Project". Now, I can understand why they are angry. Newer translations like the TNIV have perverted the Word of God®, replacing the masculinity of God with gender-neutral terms and downplaying Jesus's divinity.
But, I ask, don't these conservative reformists realize there is a perfect version of the Bible already? It's the AV1611 King James Bible! Now, I sympathize with their hatred of how liberals have hijacked Christianity and twisted Scripture to suit their own needs, but they are not being part of the solution and only adding to the problem with this newer translation.
What I fear most is that Christians might be led astray with this new heretical text. What we need to do is reinforce the truth that the AV1611 King James Bible is the best and most perfect Bible in the world.
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(Oct. 6) -- Debates between conservatives and liberals are going Biblical.
A collaborative online project seeks to update the Bible with a more conservative translation -- and has drawn the ire of less right-leaning bloggers and columnists.
The Conservative Bible Project is the brainchild of attorney and teacher Andy Schlafly, a son of conservative standard-bearer Phyllis Schlafly. His Bible-related Wiki, which allows contributors to post information, comment on others' and suggest tweaks or fixes, went up this summer.
The project quickly drew fire.
"These right-wing ideologues know better than the early church councils that canonized Scripture?" So asked Rod Dreher, a conservative blogger for Beliefnet. "They really think it's wise to force the word of God to conform to a 21st-century American idea of what constitutes conservatism?"
Schlafly said he aims to counteract modern translations, not edit the Bible.
"I think liberal bias was less of a problem in older translations," he said. "It's refreshing to read anything that is free of liberal bias, and the Bible is the most well-read book in the world, so that should be the first thing to clean up."
As an example, he cited a recent church service he attended near his New Jersey home.
"There was a reading from the gospel, and the pronoun used to refer to a child in this translation was 'it'," he said. "So this translation of the gospel referred to a child as an 'it,' a thing. And that is liberal, it's offensive and it's incorrect."
The 10 commandments of the project include avoiding unisex or "gender inclusive" language, being concise (Lord, instead of Lord God) and expressing "free market parables."
Meanwhile, a Time magazine writer called the project "insane." A Salon writer suggested a few sarcastic entries of his own.
Schlafly counters that his critics "are liberals who are unhappy that their game is up." And a few dozen people have already logged on to help craft the new translation.
Schlafly predicts the conservative version will be completed, and available for a publisher to download and print, in about a year.
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Re: Conservatives Say "Bible Too Liberal" & Make Their Own Versio -
10-07-2009, 12:34 AM
There are plenty of misguided false Christians out there who see the Holy Word of God as evidence that Jesus is some sort of communist. They have read the Bible as if it were a cheap novel of a Superman comic. They have no discernment, and so they have no possibility of comprehending God's Divine Message.
Here's an excellent example.
In my humble opinion, it's the liberals who need to be "edited out," not the Holy Word of God.
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Deuteronomy 4:2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
Matthew 4:4 Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
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Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: Conservatives Say "Bible Too Liberal" & Make Their Own Versio -
10-07-2009, 12:43 AM
Of course, you're right Rev. Jim. The big problem is not the Bible, but the way the wacky liberals interpret it. For example, there's that whole story about Jesus defending a whore by saying: He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. Well, that doesn't mean we shouldn't stone whores, it just means you've got to be a good Christian like us here at LBC, then you can stone away.
And all the stuff about helping poor beggars:
9:2:7:The LORD maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up.
9:2:8:He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory
That's no excuse for giving them welfare, food stamps and Obamacare. There's no doubt about what Jesus would do: he'd give the poor jobs, like working in prison chain gangs, for example. And if they don't want to do the work, he'd outsource it to China.
People need to read the Bible and get right with God. It's fortunate that we have so many knowledgeable people here on this forum who can interpret the Bible for those misguided by liberal liars.
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Re: Conservatives Say "Bible Too Liberal" & Make Their Own Versio -
10-07-2009, 01:11 AM
Tragically, this appears to be another example of how the Conservative movement in America has lost its way. If the Conservative movement had stayed true to its ideals since Ronald Reagan, there would be no need for this effort. But thanks to liberals like George W. Bush infiltrating the movement and instituting their disasterous liberal policies, the Republican Party is riddled with dirty Godless liberals that are PRETENDING they're Conservatives in order to destroy the Bible!!
Sad.
We now need, more than ever, a vigorous effort to purge the Conservative movement of these faux-Conservatives that are trying to destroy America through stealth!! Stand up, America!!! Wake yourselves from your slumber!! We must cleanse ourselves of these filthy, destructive interlopers to the Conservative movement BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!! To arms!!! Fight for Freedom™ and Liberty® and The Word of God©!!!
And if we cannot forcibly remove these snakes and weasels among us, we must be willing to start our OWN political party with the Godly edicts handed down in the Holy Bible (KJV 1611)!!!
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Re: Conservatives Say "Bible Too Liberal" & Make Their Own Versio -
10-07-2009, 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Rev. Jim Osborne
It has been recently been brought to my attention that there is a group of well-meaning, but wrong group of Conservatives that seek to create a new translation of the Bible for the 21st century with a Conservative slant, and eradicating former liberal errors.
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I'll admit, I sometimes wonder why Jesus bothered with all of that If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven stuff (Matthew 19:21). After all, when Judas told Jesus that the ointment that Mary Magdalene applied to Jesus's body should have been sold for money to give to the poor, Jesus told him ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always (Matthew 26:11).
I think the lesson we need to draw from this is that it's a fine thing to help the poor, provided it doesn't come at the expense of your own comfort. Jesus was a compassionate conservative.
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Re: Conservatives Say "Bible Too Liberal" & Make Their Own Versio -
10-07-2009, 01:29 PM
I've often said that Conservapedia has a liberal bias, and this confirms it. Any "conservatism" that disagrees with the real Bible (the KJV) is actually liberalism. Also, since homosexuals want to retranslate the Bible to make it sound as though "sodomite" actually meant "male temple prostitute," anyone who wants to "improve" and "correct" the KJV is a fag-enabler.
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Conservative Bible Translation: Good or Evil? -
10-07-2009, 04:48 PM
I'm a bit torn on this issue. It seems that the makers of Conservapedia are pushing for a godly Conservative interpretation of the Bible, removing all the liberal bias.
On the one hand, I've always sworn that they could have my King James version when they pry it from my cold dead fingers. On the other, I can almost believe that God himself is inspiring these good people. Here's a list of the guidelines they want to use:
- Framework against Liberal Bias: providing a strong framework that enables a thought-for-thought translation without corruption by liberal bias
- Not Emasculated: avoiding unisex, "gender inclusive" language, and other modern emasculation of Christianity
- Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level[3]
- Utilize Powerful Conservative Terms: using powerful new conservative terms as they develop;[4] defective translations use the word "comrade" three times as often as "volunteer"; similarly, updating words which have a change in meaning, such as "word", "peace", and "miracle".
- Combat Harmful Addiction: combating addiction by using modern terms for it, such as "gamble" rather than "cast lots";[5] using modern political terms, such as "register" rather than "enroll" for the census
- Accept the Logic of Hell: applying logic with its full force and effect, as in not denying or downplaying the very real existence of Hell or the Devil.
- Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning
- Exclude Later-Inserted Liberal Passages: excluding the later-inserted liberal passages that are not authentic, such as the adulteress story
- Credit Open-Mindedness of Disciples: crediting open-mindedness, often found in youngsters like the eyewitnesses Mark and John, the authors of two of the Gospels
- Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness: preferring conciseness to the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio; avoid compound negatives and unnecessary ambiguities; prefer concise, consistent use of the word "Lord" rather than "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" or "Lord God."
What do the good people here think? Will it be an inspired version or just a corruption of God's true word? or
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Re: Conservative Bible Translation: Good or Evil? -
10-07-2009, 09:52 PM
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I'm a bit torn on this issue. It seems that the makers of Conservapedia are pushing for a godly Conservative interpretation of the Bible, removing all the liberal bias.
On the one hand, I've always sworn that they could have my King James version when they pry it from my cold dead fingers. On the other, I can almost believe that God himself is inspiring these good people. Here's a list of the guidelines they want to use:
[/LIST]What do the good people here think? Will it be an inspired version or just a corruption of God's true word? or
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I am thinking like the weak Christians they are Conservepedia has listened to the liberals in their mists and decided they can play God by over steeping their bounds. The Bible has been corrupted by the left for their own evil socialist-looter-feminist-homosexual agenda. There is no doubt about that. But it is not God's words that are fault, it man's understanding of them.
Everyone should know in Matthew 19:21is telling us Christ will reward us with wealth and Matthew 26:11 that so social justice programs don't work. These are interpretations the left has put on the Bible and they must be stopped.
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Re: Conservatives Say "Bible Too Liberal" & Make Their Own Versio -
10-07-2009, 11:33 PM
Noah Webster once made his own version of the Bible based on the KJV, but his goal was only to create something suitable for use as a textbook for English classes. He modernized the spelling and grammar, and the students picked up important Bible lessons along with their regular coursework. It was a great educational tool, but it was never used as a religious text.
I view the Conservapedia Bible Project in a similar light. I would never consider it to be divinely inspired scripture, but I could see it as being an educational tool, perhaps required reading in political science classes, for example.
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Re: Conservatives Say "Bible Too Liberal" & Make Their Own Versio -
10-08-2009, 07:43 PM
There can be only one true Bible and ha one clearly is the KJV 1611. IMO here was never EVER any good reason to alter what is the exact verbatim inerrant Word of Almighty God even if were used for "educational purposes". The Bible is 100% correct as is. To change even one letter would change a perfect text into something that is no longer perfect they way our Father in heaven intended.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I hate to see all these "CONNEDservatives ending up is hell simply because they do not use the KJV 1611, the one True Bible.
This needs to be stopped ASAP!
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Re: Conservatives Say "Bible Too Liberal" & Make Their Own Versio -
10-09-2009, 01:21 AM
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There can be only one true Bible and ha one clearly is the KJV 1611. IMO here was never EVER any good reason to alter what is the exact verbatim inerrant Word of Almighty God even if were used for "educational purposes". The Bible is 100% correct as is. To change even one letter would change a perfect text into something that is no longer perfect they way our Father in heaven intended.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I hate to see all these "CONNEDservatives ending up is hell simply because they do not use the KJV 1611, the one True Bible.
This needs to be stopped ASAP!
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I couldn't agree more Brother. There are too many liberals parading around as Conservatives these days. The Teabagging events are rife with liberal infiltrators, as is Conservapdia I'm sorry to say.
This just goes to show that a True Christian™ should ONLY trust a fellow True Christian™.
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: Conservatives Say "Bible Too Liberal" & Make Their Own Versio -
10-09-2009, 10:30 PM
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I couldn't agree more Brother. There are too many liberals parading around as Conservatives these days. The Teabagging events are rife with liberal infiltrators, as is Conservapdia I'm sorry to say.
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This is the result of all that liberal teaching in public schools (ie evolution, sex education, English as a second language), plus removing prayer from schools.
I even heard that in public schools, they're now teaching that the Earth revolves around the Sun! You can't make this stuff up!
Home-schooling (using the KJB as the ONLY textbook) is the solution!
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Re: Conservatives Say "Bible Too Liberal" & Make Their Own Versio -
10-10-2009, 07:38 AM
This is sheer insanity. There's a reason Jesus spoke in parables. Those who can not understand God's message, or get the wrong idea from it, are not those elected for salvation.
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Re: Conservatives Say "Bible Too Liberal" & Make Their Own Versio -
10-10-2009, 07:39 AM
I wouldn't trust any "Canonized" text based on something written after the Apostolic age. Who's to say there shouldn't be an LGBT Bible too? As they're conservatives, they probably mean well, but obviously need a long talk with a Landover Pastor.
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Re: Conservatives Say "Bible Too Liberal" & Make Their Own Versio -
10-10-2009, 07:50 AM
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I wouldn't trust any "Canonized" text based on something written after the Apostolic age. Who's to say there shouldn't be an LGBT Bible too? As they're conservatives, they probably mean well, but obviously need a long talk with a Landover Pastor.
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Let's not be too hasty here. The KJB was after the Apostlic Age, but it was commissioned by an Honest-to-God King, by Divine Right. Can Andy Schlafly say the same thing?
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Re: Conservatives Say "Bible Too Liberal" & Make Their Own Versio -
10-11-2009, 07:23 AM
Going on a "faith-search," I'd love to get my hands on a KJV...only thing is, I'd have trouble with all the thee, thy, thine, thou, and -ths...Is there a version with the vernacular you, your, yours, and modern suffixes?
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Re: Conservatives Say "Bible Too Liberal" & Make Their Own Versio -
10-11-2009, 02:41 PM
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Going on a "faith-search," I'd love to get my hands on a KJV...only thing is, I'd have trouble with all the thee, thy, thine, thou, and -ths...Is there a version with the vernacular you, your, yours, and modern suffixes?
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Actually, the use of "thee" and "thou" shows how exact the KJV is. The Early Modern English grammar distinguishes between the second person singular and the second person plural, a distinction that modern Bible (per)versions have lost.
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Re: Conservatives Say "Bible Too Liberal" & Make Their Own Versio -
10-14-2009, 12:32 AM
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Actually, the use of "thee" and "thou" shows how exact the KJV is. The Early Modern English grammar distinguishes between the second person singular and the second person plural, a distinction that modern Bible (per)versions have lost.
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Personally, I'm convinced that the KJV is the original Bible, as God wrote it. Yeah OK, I know the official story we're told is that The Bible was written in Hebrew and Aramaic, then translated into Greek and Latin, and then finally into English. But something smells funny. Them Hebes and Aramaics read from right-to-left, which sounds Satanic to me. Anyway, the Joos are too busy running their pawn shops to be reading the Bible. And the Arabs? They ain't gonna read no Bible, they got that Koran terrorist manual (written by ACORN).
And the Greeks! I understand that they invented homoism, which they proudly call greek sex. I find it hard to believe that homos can even touch a Bible - God would incinerate them on the spot for such heretical behavior!
And finally Latin. My experience with Latinos is that you can't trust them to do anything more complicated than picking tomatoes, mowing lawns and swigging a bottle of tequila. Who's gonna believe that they could translate a Bible, much less read one?
Maybe there's something I'm missing, but considering that God always speaks in English, and the USA is the Chosen Land, just seems to me that he'd write The Bible in the holy language. Just makes sense.
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I agree that the KJV bible is good, but you can't just say something so off the wall that God wrote it in English, i mean its fact it was written in another language first, if not, then where's the original english manuscripts? also your language is so stereotypical and harsh. God loves all people, and i don't think he appreciates the way you generalize them and put yourself higher than they are. God knows peoples hearts, you don't.
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Re: Conservatives Say "Bible Too Liberal" & Make Their Own Versio -
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I agree that the KJV bible is good, but you can't just say something so off the wall that God wrote it in English, i mean its fact it was written in another language first, if not, then where's the original english manuscripts? also your language is so stereotypical and harsh. God loves all people, and i don't think he appreciates the way you generalize them and put yourself higher than they are. God knows peoples hearts, you don't.
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Dear Feminazi;
Unless you have your husband's permision to be posting here, and unless you can back up your ridiculous claims that "God loves everybody," then I suggest that you stick to what you are made to do: bake pies and scrub floors.
You see, God doesn't love everybody:
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Proverbs 6
[16] These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
[17] A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
[18] An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
[19] A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
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And don't give me any "He hates the sin, not the sinner" crap...
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[38] The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
[39] The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
[40] As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
[41] The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
[42] And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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