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Default Pagan origins of 'easter' - 03-12-2007, 11:21 PM

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The name "Easter" originated with the names of an ancient Goddess and God. The Venerable Bede, (672-735 CE.) a Christian scholar, first asserted in his book De Ratione Temporum that Easter was named after Eostre (a.k.a. Eastre). She was the Great Mother Goddess of the Saxon people in Northern Europe. Similarly, the "Teutonic dawn goddess of fertility [was] known variously as Ostare, Ostara, Ostern, Eostra, Eostre, Eostur, Eastra, Eastur, Austron and Ausos." 1 Her name was derived from the ancient word for spring: "eastre." Similar Goddesses were known by other names in ancient cultures around the Mediterranean, and were celebrated in the springtime. Some were:
Aphrodite from ancient CyprusAshtoreth from ancient IsraelAstarté from ancient GreeceDemeter from MycenaeHathor from ancient EgyptIshtar from AssyriaKali, from IndiaOstara a Norse Goddess of fertility.
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Many religious historians believe that the death and resurrection legends were first associated with Attis, many centuries before the birth of Jesus. They were simply grafted onto stories of Jesus' life in order to make Christian theology more acceptable to Pagans. Others suggest that many of the events in Jesus' life that were recorded in the gospels were lifted from the life of Krishna, the second person of the Hindu Trinity. Ancient Christians had an alternative explanation; they claimed that Satan had created counterfeit deities in advance of the coming of Christ in order to confuse humanity. 4 Modern-day Christians generally regard the Attis legend as being a Pagan myth of little value. They regard Jesus' death and resurrection account as being true, and unrelated to the earlier tradition.
Wow, looks like there have always been people all dull in the head as you guys, claiming the whole 'pre-stolen' idea.
This supports my theory that stupidity is as old as time itself.



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Default Re: Pagan origins of 'easter' - 03-12-2007, 11:23 PM

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Wow, looks like their have always been people all dull in the head as you guys, claiming the whole 'pre-stolen' idea.
This supports my theory that stupidity is as old as time itself.
So if ancient sources support your wickedan lies, then they're automatically true and can't be questioned, but if ancient sources support us then you dismiss them out of hand? Typical liberal double-standards.


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Default Re: Pagan origins of 'easter' - 03-12-2007, 11:25 PM

And just what ancient sources support your claims, BT? In the time of truly ANCIENT sources, there WAS no xtianity.



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And just what ancient sources support your claims, BT? In the time of truly ANCIENT sources, there WAS no xtianity.
How ancient is ancient? Anything claiming to be from before about 4000BC is, by definition, not "ancient", just forged.


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How ancient is ancient? Anything claiming to be from before about 4000BC is, by definition, not "ancient", just forged.
Those claims of yours aside, does anything from even say the year 3000 BCE talk about jeebuz or xtianity at ALL?



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Those claims of yours aside, does anything from even say the year 3000 BCE talk about jeebuz or xtianity at ALL?
Stupid questions get stupid answers: 3000 years before Christ, Christ wasn't born yet.
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Stupid questions get stupid answers: 3000 years before Christ, Christ wasn't born yet.
Well, if he was the 'true savior' of humanity and xtianity really was the 'only true belief', then there logically should have been records of the religion before and mentions of a savior that 'was to come'.

No, the fact is, xtianity claims a vast age, yet never really appeared until C.E. times.

Look at the bible, the bible constantly mentions prophets. If xtianity and the jeebuz of the bible were so real, so absolute, there would have been some prophet, surely, preaching to those people thousands of years ago.

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Face it, you got nothing.
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Well, if he was the 'true savior' of humanity and xtianity really was the 'only true belief', then there logically should have been records of the religion before and mentions of a savior that 'was to come'.

No, the fact is, xtianity claims a vast age, yet never really appeared until C.E. times.

Look at the bible, the bible constantly mentions prophets. If xtianity and the jeebuz of the bible were so real, so absolute, there would have been some prophet, surely, preaching to those people thousands of years ago.

Face it, you got nothing.
Other than the fact that prophets such as Malachi, Ezekiel and Isaiah regularly foretold the coming of Christ hundreds of years before His birth?


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Default Re: Pagan origins of 'easter' - 03-12-2007, 11:52 PM

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Other than the fact that prophets such as Malachi, Ezekiel and Isaiah regularly foretold the coming of Christ hundreds of years before His birth?
And what, dear BT, is the actual age of those written words to which you refer?



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And what, dear BT, is the actual age of those written words to which you refer?
Why don't you look it up yourself, witch?


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Brother T, I imagine that her eyes will come to a boil and drip right out of her demon head if she reads that site. Praise Jesus!


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Default Re: Pagan origins of 'easter' - 03-13-2007, 12:12 AM

Notice how the NT is the only one listed that is written in CE times? As to the dates of the OT, that is older, yes, but what was in the OT originally has been edited that many times since then it would be quite different to those original manuscripts, which weren't intended to be thrown together in such a way and which were NOT xtian. It was Jewish.

Xtianity is basically a mishmash of Paganism and Judaism, although the resemblance is more prevalent in catholicism.



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Default Re: Pagan origins of 'easter' - 03-13-2007, 12:31 AM

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So if ancient sources support your wickedan lies, then they're automatically true and can't be questioned, but if ancient sources support us then you dismiss them out of hand? Typical liberal double-standards.
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Notice how the NT is the only one listed that is written in CE times? As to the dates of the OT, that is older, yes, but what was in the OT originally has been edited that many times since then it would be quite different to those original manuscripts, which weren't intended to be thrown together in such a way and which were NOT xtian. It was Jewish.

Xtianity is basically a mishmash of Paganism and Judaism, although the resemblance is more prevalent in catholicism.
I rest my case. I've got a question for you, witch: are there any sources supporting Oestrogentara or whatever you call your silly festival dating from before God created the world?


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Default Re: Pagan origins of 'easter' - 03-13-2007, 12:46 AM

Did you read everything in that link I posted?

Besides, the earliest records of the OT date to about 1000BCE.

Hardly 3000BCE, then, BT.
There goes your theory, smartypants.

Yes, the texts supporting JUDAISM are old. Sources supporting other religions that existed before are older. And, you aren't Jewish, are you? Xtianity is mostly based on the NT. The NT did not exist until CE times.

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Default Re: Pagan origins of 'easter' - 03-13-2007, 01:26 AM

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, Vans Fatty Acid, but Olestra was invented in 1968 A.D.
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I wasn't talking about artificial fat, my dear OYK.



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I wasn't talking about artificial fat, my dear OYK.
Notice how the witch attempts to change the subject just because she's losing the debate?


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Default Re: Pagan origins of 'easter' - 03-13-2007, 11:49 PM

EXCUUUUSSE me???? OYK was the one who confused Oestara with Olestra, and I merely corrected him. He threw in the red herring, not me.



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