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Lightbulb Re: READ THIS BEFORE YOU FLAME US! - 04-08-2013, 11:56 AM

I have but one question to all of you, people.

How can you be certain that The Bible, God and all those other things are true? What proof do you have?
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Default Re: READ THIS BEFORE YOU FLAME US! - 04-08-2013, 12:00 PM

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I have but one question to all of you, people.

How can you be certain that The Bible, God and all those other things are true? What proof do you have?
Because God tells us so.

2nd Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
Deuteronomy 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."
Revelation 22:18-19 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."
Psalm 12:6-7 "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever."

No go to the introduction thread and introduce yourself, it's the polite thing to do.

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Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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Default Re: READ THIS BEFORE YOU FLAME US! - 04-08-2013, 12:25 PM

You're answering my question about the bible with the bible. That's circular reasoning and is not logical. Give me some actual proof, other than a quote from a book I'm asking about.
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Exclamation Re: READ THIS BEFORE YOU FLAME US! - 04-08-2013, 12:37 PM

It's like saying that Spiderman exists because his comics say he exists. Doesn't work now, does it?
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Default Re: READ THIS BEFORE YOU FLAME US! - 04-08-2013, 12:52 PM

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It's like saying that Spiderman exists because his comics say he exists. Doesn't work now, does it?
Not at all true. You can go to Midtown NY, the campus at ESU or try to find the Horizon or the Coffee Bean buildings and look for Spider-Man and prove his does not exist.

You can't do so with God so it is obviously different.

Now go to the Introduction Forum, please.

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Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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Default Re: READ THIS BEFORE YOU FLAME US! - 04-08-2013, 03:34 PM

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It's like saying that Spiderman exists because his comics say he exists. Doesn't work now, does it?
Spiderman comics do not claim Spiderman actually exists. The Bible states God exists. See the difference?


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To most "Christians" The Bible is like a license agreement. They just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree". All those "Christians" will burn in Hell!
James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
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I have but one question to all of you, people.

How can you be certain that The Bible, God and all those other things are true? What proof do you have?
Hi Mox123, welcome to our friendly forums!

I think you might be confusing "knowledge" with "proof." I know, for example, that I love my children, but I cannot prove it. I know that life is better with love and mercy, but again I cannot prove it. I know that certain art and music speaks to my soul, but how can I prove it?

For some people, knowing God is like this. They cannot find the "proof" that would satisfy you, but that doesn't mean it isn't true.

I hope that helps.



Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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Exclamation Re: READ THIS BEFORE YOU FLAME US! - 04-08-2013, 06:08 PM

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I know, for example, that I love my children, but I cannot prove it.
You can prove it. Love is a neurological reaction in your brain, that causes you to care for your loved ones, so that the human race can survive. You love your children even more because they have your genes, and so you want your genes to survive. "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins is a good read and it explain that behaviour. So the 'love of children' is provable.

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I know that life is better with love and mercy, but again I cannot prove it.
That is because, as previously mentioned, love and mercy help preserve the human race, as we do not annihilate each other. Love causes us to create better offspring and strong, lasting communities, while mercy prevents the killing of each other. It is all neurological. So it is provable.

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I know that certain art and music speaks to my soul, but how can I prove it?
That's your body connecting the certain frequencies from the music your hearing with certain nerves, releasing dopamine. It makes you feel good, which starts emotional reaction like happiness or sadness, depending on what type of music it is.

All knowledge stems from proof. It is through proof that we can acknowledge something as fact, and so gave it the tag of 'knowledge'.
Observation -> Evidence/Proof -> Knowledge

So my question stands. How can you prove that the bible is correct?(without using the bible itself because that's circular reasoning, and is illogical)
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Default Re: READ THIS BEFORE YOU FLAME US! - 04-08-2013, 06:19 PM

Mox, we call it faith. Just as I have faith that you exist, I have faith that God exists. Tell me, do you have faith in anything or do you doubt anything that you cannot continuously prove with zero error?


By the way, how is freshman year working out for you?


Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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So my question stands. How can you prove that the bible is correct?(without using the bible itself because that's circular reasoning, and is illogical)
That is unfair.

If I were to ask you to prove ToE without referring to peer reviewed journal articles on evolution would YOU think that was fair?

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Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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Default Re: READ THIS BEFORE YOU FLAME US! - 04-08-2013, 06:55 PM

I generally try things out first, to see for myself that it is true. As to other things, e.g.: conversing with people on the internet, I assume that they also exist. Problem being: I could give you my address and you could come over and prove to yourself that I exist, so I am provable. I generally put faith into provable things, things that if I try them myself, they will be true. Problem with god is that you can't prove him, you can't 'come over' to his domain and see he really exists.

Faith without evidence is irrational, no? So, why would you be irrational, and allow you judgement to be influenced by the concept of god?

Laurence:
Life isn't fair. But still: Peer reviewed science journals are based on observation of the real world, currently. It is constantly provable. The bible on the other hand... science has disproven couple of its theories(e.g.: Genesis and the creation of the world), as well as the reason for many languages, how old is the universe and other things.

So really, you don't need someone else's journal to prove ToE to you. You have to but have enough education, be free-thinking and take a look yourself at the evidence(e.g.: genes, fossils etc.).
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Default Re: READ THIS BEFORE YOU FLAME US! - 04-08-2013, 06:58 PM

Why do you suppose that billions of people believe in the same God and not a billion different ones? Do you think this is some kind of collective delusion?


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You can prove it. Love is a neurological reaction in your brain, that causes you to care for your loved ones, so that the human race can survive. You love your children even more because they have your genes, and so you want your genes to survive. "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins is a good read and it explain that behaviour. So the 'love of children' is provable.
This is the silliest thing I've ever heard. I care for my children so the human race can survive? I'm not Noah.



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That is because, as previously mentioned, love and mercy help preserve the human race, as we do not annihilate each other.
So by your definition, muslims aren't human.

That's nice.

I'll bet your mother is proud of you.

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That's your body connecting the certain frequencies from the music your hearing with certain nerves, releasing dopamine. It makes you feel good, which starts emotional reaction like happiness or sadness, depending on what type of music it is.
Buy why do those certain frequencies, and not others, release dopamine? Because this is how God created my body to respond to things that inspire my soul.

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All knowledge stems from proof. It is through proof that we can acknowledge something as fact, and so gave it the tag of 'knowledge'.
Observation -> Evidence/Proof -> Knowledge
Did you come up with this theory all by yourself?

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So my question stands. How can you prove that the bible is correct?(without using the bible itself because that's circular reasoning, and is illogical)
I already answered, my proof won't be acceptable to you. That's okay, because the LORD will speak to you in your own Love Language. You have the choice to respond or ignore. I pray you respond.


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That's your body connecting the certain frequencies from the music your hearing with certain nerves, releasing dopamine. It makes you feel good, which starts emotional reaction like happiness or sadness, depending on what type of music it is.
You raise an interesting point. Now I have a question for you. How do you know whether it is HAPPINESS you are experiencing, depending on what type of music it is, or SADNESS?
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You're answering my question about the bible with the bible. That's circular reasoning and is not logical. Give me some actual proof, other than a quote from a book I'm asking about.
Unlike you atheists, we don't pull things out of our filthy behinds. We have God's Holy Word to guide us. All you have is the chatter of monkeys.



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Unhappy Re: READ THIS BEFORE YOU FLAME US! - 04-15-2013, 04:55 AM

Flame you? Why, I raised 4 daughters, and 1 son, all by the Holy Book! The girls never wore any garment made of Satan's Threads of polyester and such, and said garments never revealed much more than the tips of their toes! Their heads were always covered, and God Bless those Holy Muslims, I got the idea of veils too! (Now that they are grown, I have trouble recognizing them, but Praise the Lord! They'll go to Heaven, I am sure!)
Anyway, we used to practice stoning as soon as they could clutch stones, roughly aged 2 or so. We practiced as much as we could, but Satan sent his agents, blasphemous deputies, and placed man-made restrictions on our Holy work! They called them restraining orders, or something. Please pray for us!
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God Bless those Holy Muslims
There aren't any holy muslims.
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There aren't any holy muslims.
We can only hope that they get the virgins they so desperately crave while they burn in eternal hellfire.
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I'm here to express my concern regarding the beginning of the first post of this thread.
'The difference is that we say exactly what we mean. Other conservative groups try to look "centrist" and "politically correct". A lot of republicans say "I was just joking" when someone gets all politically correct on them. (They weren't, they just know how to make PC commies shut up.) There is no self-censorship in Landover Baptist Church. The moderators in this forum believe in freedom of speech (for republicans), and when they do edit something they at least let people know that they did. This is different from other forums.'
Complete bull. Last time I tried to type in 'f!ctional', it automatically turned it into 'real'. This is just another way of using the 'word censorship' feature of the forums to limit OUR freedom of speech. This is an authoritarian move whether you like it or not.
Please. This is not 'republican' at all!
No offence intended.
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some stuff about "authority" as a sort of proxy parent directed here/now instead of to there/1999
The final authority is God. Jesus knew that and the Romans knew that too. Some of them (most of them worshipped demons, of course).
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23 And a certain centurion's servant, who was dear unto him, was sick, and ready to die. And when he heard of Jesus, he sent unto him the elders of the Jews, beseeching him that he would come and heal his servant.
45 And when they came to Jesus, they besought him instantly, saying, That he was worthy for whom he should do this: For he loveth our nation, and he hath built us a synagogue.
6 Then Jesus went with them. And when he was now not far from the house, the centurion sent friends to him, saying unto him, Lord, trouble not thyself: for I am not worthy that thou shouldest enter under my roof:
78 Wherefore neither thought I myself worthy to come unto thee: but say in a word, and my servant shall be healed. For I also am a man set under authority, having under me soldiers, and I say unto one, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
910 When Jesus heard these things, he marvelled at him, and turned him about, and said unto the people that followed him, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel. And they that were sent, returning to the house, found the servant whole that had been sick.
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But this centurion didn't, and so he did. Now you might think you're "letting off steam" because mummy wouldn't let you eat worms when you were 2 (although you probably don't) but in reality you are railing against God.
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