[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Originally Posted by Condescending

Let me guess, those "Godly" laws you speak of involve bashing on gays, lesbians and others of the sort?

That's what Jesus would do, of course .

Of course it what He would do. Jesus, God The Father and The Holy Spirit are all one, and God says:

Le:20:13: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

If your friend is gay, I would remain seated in his presence at all times.

[Condescending]

Originally Posted by Ezekiel Bathfire

Of course it what He would do. Jesus, God The Father and The Holy Spirit are all one, and God says:

Le:20:13: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

If your friend is gay, I would remain seated in his presence at all times.

No, your point is not valid simply because the chronological order is not logical. From what I understand, this is the list and order of the books in the Bible:

• Genesis
• Exodus
• Leviticus
• Numbers
• Deuteronomy
• Joshual
• (and so on and so forth)...

This being said, the verse you have pulled that out of was taken from the 3rd book in the Bible. 54 books later, the New Testament arrives and from a basic understanding, it does not say anywhere again after Leviticus that it is wrong to be gay.

Can you point out to me where Jesus said it was wrong being gay, please?

[Condescending]

Please bare in mind that I am not against your idea, Ezekiel Bathfire. I am simply further inquiring about your point although I may be wrong and most likely am.

PRAISE JESUS.

[Wide-Open]

Originally Posted by Condescending

Can you point out to me where Jesus said it was wrong being gay, please?

1st Corinthians 6:9
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

That "new" enough for you? Or do you prefer:

2 Peter 2:6
And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

Next question.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Condescending

No, your point is not valid simply because the chronological order is not logical. From what I understand, this is the list and order of the books in the Bible:

• Genesis
• Exodus
• Leviticus
• Numbers
• Deuteronomy
• Joshual
• (and so on and so forth)...

This being said, the verse you have pulled that out of was taken from the 3rd book in the Bible. 54 books later, the New Testament arrives and from a basic understanding, it does not say anywhere again after Leviticus that it is wrong to be gay.

Can you point out to me where Jesus said it was wrong being gay, please?

I'll be glad to help you on that, Condi.

First of all, you need to understand that at no point has Jesus ever repudiated the laws of the Old Testament. Lots of false Christians seem to want to say the OT should be thrown out, but that just isn't so. Would you throw out the 10 Commandments? That's OT too. So how do you decide?

Anyway, queers are condemned in the New Testament as well. Homers (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death."

Romans 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Bottom line here; if you're even nice to a queer, you will join them in everlasting damnation.

There is likewise a verse condemning lezbeanism, did you know that?

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

[WickedWitch]

Originally Posted by Brother_Percy

Friends,

I was asked this question by a child in my Bible Study Youth Group just the other day - Why do some children stutter / stammer? Is it because they're gay? Or effeminite? Or is it due to some sort of mental retardation? Or Demonic Possession?

Sometimes it's a psychological problem (purely in the mind), or a neurological problem (more to do with the wiring of the brain). I knew a kid back in elementary school who had a stutter, and after his mother died it became ten times worse, so maybe his situation was a little bit of both: a neurological problem made worse by psychological trauma.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by WickedWitch

Sometimes it's a psychological problem (purely in the mind), or a neurological problem (more to do with the wiring of the brain). I knew a kid back in elementary school who had a stutter, and after his mother died it became ten times worse, so maybe his situation was a little bit of both: a neurological problem made worse by psychological trauma.

That's the witch explanation. We take it for what it is.


The Bible tells us that when really bad things happen (like you get eaten by wild beasts, get killed in war, get sick and die, etc.), then you'll know that it was God that did it to you. That includes being a stammering fool.

Ezekiel 14:13 Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it:

14:15 If I cause noisome beasts to pass through the land, and they spoil it, so that it be desolate, that no man may pass through because of the beasts:

14:17 Or if I bring a sword upon that land, and say, Sword, go through the land; so that I cut off man and beast from it:

14:19 Or if I send a pestilence into that land, and pour out my fury upon it in blood, to cut off from it man and beast:

14:21 For thus saith the Lord GOD; How much more when I send my four sore judgments upon Jerusalem, the sword, and the famine, and the noisome beast, and the pestilence, to cut off from it man and beast?

[Meek and Humble]

Yes, Moses was a stammerer, but he didn't disgrace God by talking. He just let Aaron do the speaking for him.

[Dr. Ernest C. Ville, D.C.S.]

Initial research that I have conducted indicates that a lisp, stutter or stammer is likely the cause of an overbearing mother. Youngsters tend to imitate the person that is in control of their household, and therefore their mannerisms gives some insight into their young lives.

For example, the thunderous Fred Phelps likely grew up in a Godly household with a father unafraid of rebuking his wife in Godly bass tones.

On the other hand, a person like Richard Simmons or any other gay person likely grew up in a home with an overbearing mother, since they simper around like a sally and talk like they just sucked a sour pickle (and probably did, metaphorically speaking).

Further research is obviously needed; currently we do not know if stuttering is a symptom of a demon which was let into the body via a sinful household, or whether it is a by-product of other sinful circumstances. It is a growing area in the scientific world, and I suggest that if anyone is interested, they send me a PM and I will see if I can recommend a place for you in Landovers post-graduate school of Demonology.

[James Hutchins]

Every person I have known that stuttered was bad. God was trying to hold a invisible pillow over their mouth, this caused the person to appear to be stuttering.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Just as an aside, If anyone out there can help, I am doing some research into stuttering at Landover Christian University - I have found some private correspondence from the mid 19th century, that indicates that Samuel Morse actually got the idea for his Morse Code from a really bad stutterer... does anyone have any information on this?

[In_Need_Of_Saving]

Why does the way somone speaks determine sexuality? It doesn't at all, it is a condition which they are born with, of which they cannot help.

[In_Need_Of_Saving]

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

I'll be glad to help you on that, Condi.

First of all, you need to understand that at no point has Jesus ever repudiated the laws of the Old Testament. Lots of false Christians seem to want to say the OT should be thrown out, but that just isn't so. Would you throw out the 10 Commandments? That's OT too. So how do you decide?

Anyway, queers are condemned in the New Testament as well. Homers (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death."



Bottom line here; if you're even nice to a queer, you will join them in everlasting damnation.

There is likewise a verse condemning lezbeanism, did you know that?

Right, are we or are we not all equal in God's eyes? It confuses me. Are we worshipping the all-powerful all-vengeful God of the old testament here or the all-loving all-forgiving one of the new testament? Just set me on the right track...

WHY DO YOU BASH ON GAYS? They were BORN that way for a reason, how can they choose the way they are when they are so young, innocent and uncorrupted? And stop calling then "queers" it's demeaning and you will surely go to Hell for treating God's creation like that. Woldn't catch me calling people names.

May the Lord forgive you my brother, and may he not be too harsh on your soul as you will surely be sent to Hell.

[James Hutchins]

People are born Gay??? It is impossible to be born Gay, God would never do that. It is through the sins of man that he may become Gay. Being Gay is not a hardship, it is curse. Just like any curse, there are outward signs visible on the inflicted. Stuttering is one such sign. Be infected with the Gayness also damages a persons eyesight, just like masturbation though instead of going blind, the Gay loose thier ability to sense bright colors and hear low pitch sounds. This is why they like bright colored clothes and hearing female crooners like Cher, Judy Garland and Donna Summer.

[John Bois Ward]

Originally Posted by In_Need_Of_Saving

Why does the way somone speaks determine sexuality? It doesn't at all, it is a condition which they are born with, of which they cannot help.

According to http://neurology.health-cares.net/stuttering-causes.php, "stuttering is a psychological problem-that stuttering is an underlying problem that can be treated with psychotherapy." In other words, a person's speech pattern is an outward manifestation of an inner psychological disorder, such as homosexuality.

Originally Posted by In_Need_Of_Saving

Right, are we or are we not all equal in God's eyes? It confuses me. Are we worshipping the all-powerful all-vengeful God of the old testament here or the all-loving all-forgiving one of the new testament? Just set me on the right track...

Please provide Biblical evidence that we are all equal in God's eyes and that the Old Testament is no longer applicable.

WHY DO YOU BASH ON GAYS? They were BORN that way for a reason, how can they choose the way they are when they are so young, innocent and uncorrupted? And stop calling then "queers" it's demeaning and you will surely go to Hell for treating God's creation like that. Woldn't catch me calling people names.

May the Lord forgive you my brother, and may he not be too harsh on your soul as you will surely be sent to Hell.

God finds homosexuality an abomination, so we "bash" on gays in an attempt to save their souls. A bit of name calling is the least of their worries if they don't denounce their evil ways. By supporting their lifestyles, you are legitimizing their sins and ensuring their and your eternity in Hell. Why do you hate gays so much?

[Big Sister]

I have a few deaf friends, with speech impediments. Through therapy, they've learned to speak relatively well, given they've been entirely deaf from birth- they have problems with some pronouncings. What should I do in this case? They aren't gay or anything though. Also my little brother has a speech impediment, it's not a lisp, but it sometimes sounds like he has a retainer or something in his mouth, when he doesn't.
He is a also a good, God loving boy, who has no interest in males either.
We are all dedicated members of our church youth-group, but I want to help my friends and brother. What do you suggest? They are all truly good people.

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by Big Sister

I have a few deaf friends

What did you do to them?

[Justin Z]

Isn't studering a sign of mental retardation?

[Big Sister]

Originally Posted by Cranky Old Man

What did you do to them?

Well, I guess I have to stop being their friend. Right?

[Cranky Old Man]

Originally Posted by Big Sister

Well, I guess I have to stop being their friend. Right?

Of course, but my question was what did you do to make them deaf in the first place?