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Re: Are you guys for real? -
03-29-2018, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Elmer G. White
Dear Clyde,
You had such a promising start. You were ready to behave, willing to have a decent discussion but you let your emotions take over. Ad hominem. Weird people can be right, can't they? I'd say that Einstein was a bit weird, don't you agree?
This is a form of ad baculum. Threats instead of content. Utterly sad.
Ad hominem.
This is an a d hominem combined with "poisoning the well" fallacy. You not only dismiss Sister Mary's posts for now, but you also dismiss everything she might do in advance. It is of course, again, a fallacy. Ugly people can produce good data, don't you think?
Now you're talking. You wish to have a paradigm shift. The question that is pivotal is, why we should start playing by your rules on a Forum dedicated to worship. Why should you be the one to define the goalposts (moving the goalposts is also a fallacy, let's see it it appears).
By definition, Creationism and Creation Science are deeply embedded into Faith®, believing the Bible. We do not hide it. We also know that most people on Earth do not accept the Bible as it is, even the majority of Young-Earth Creationists have failed to do so by dismissing, e.g., the Firmament (Genesis 1:6). The evidence for Creation is not to be found exclusively in the material world, nor do we claim that it is. To discuss it, it is totally inadequate to refer to "scientific evidence".
We are aware that the evidence material for science is very different from the evidence material for Christ. Science, in fact, aims to control the kind of evidence that makes Jesus thrive. The personal eyewitness testimonial of Creation (Genesis 1:1) and the subjective magnificent presence of Christ after Spiritual re-birth are not recognized by "science". On the other hand, the methods of natural sciences, the consideration of alternative hypotheses, statistical probabilities instead of certainty, repeatability, etc. are not required for Creation Science. What we need is the 1) the Bible, 2) personal Faith® and 3) Prayer. Thereafter it is possible to assess scientific data and select the items that support this view.
What you are doing, however, is to use the methods of religion to support you allegedly scientific position. You are using simple testimonials ("my family", "evolution is science", "there is proof") without actually providing proof. You're entangled in the web of taking scientific results and popularized views by Faith. Thus, your statements carry exactly as much weight as your demeanor, which has been abominable. We have noticed how too many supporters of evolution do not actually understand it. We have also seen how too many opponents of Creation (including false Christians) do not really accept the Bible and use phrases, such as "God loves everyone", "God does not hate", etc. We accept God as He is (Exodus 3:14). We fear and Love Him (Ecclesiastes 12:13).
As you can see, your initial strategy did not work. You came less than well prepared ready to meet intellectually inferior people of faith with some simple "truths". OK. It failed. Now you can start an actual discussion where the rules are not set by you, nor by me but by the interaction. You may not like the Bible as evidence, but it is evidence. you are welcome to debate its quality as evidence, and we are ready to oppose the quality of scientific observations as evidence. That would be a discussion and you might learn something. Be warned. Jesus does not like science. Yes, it's a Bible verse. Feel free to justify why it would not count as strong evidence.
1 Timothy 6:20
O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
Yours in Christ,
Elmer
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You talk to me as if I am a fukkingg baby. Do I look like a baby to you, mother fuhking trolls, Am I a fukking baby? Let me say what you all really are, nothing more than that a lying bunch of sanctimonious cunts, pricks, sockpuppets and other assorted trolls. Fukkking knowitalls, I'm having a serious headache right now so fukkkkk off. You all have your heads so far up your bloody arses that you can smell Your Own shit. Listen cuntfaces, you're not getting to me, understand this? I won't let you fukkk with my mind, arseholes. Keep fukkkking each other with your warts infected Jesus dildo and masturbating to your Bibles. How did you fukkkks even get to live this far? Somebody should have dropped you dead for the kinda fukkking bullshit you talk a very long time ago. Say stuff my face and they'll have to carry you to the hospital on a fukkkkking stretcher. I don't give a full-time fukkkkk about any of you. Got it? Evil fukkkking wannabe cunts.
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Re: Are you guys for real? -
03-29-2018, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Evilutionist Clyde
You talk to me as if I am a fukkingg baby. Do I look like a baby to you, mother fuhking trolls, Am I a fukking baby? Let me say what you all really are, nothing more than that a lying bunch of sanctimonious cunts, pricks, sockpuppets and other assorted trolls. Fukkking knowitalls, I'm having a serious headache right now so fukkkkk off. You all have your heads so far up your bloody arses that you can smell Your Own shit. Listen cuntfaces, you're not getting to me, understand this? I won't let you fukkk with my mind, arseholes. Keep fukkkking each other with your warts infected Jesus dildo and masturbating to your Bibles. How did you fukkkks even get to live this far? Somebody should have dropped you dead for the kinda fukkking bullshit you talk a very long time ago. Say stuff my face and they'll have to carry you to the hospital on a fukkkkking stretcher. I don't give a full-time fukkkkk about any of you. Got it? Evil fukkkking wannabe cunts.
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Sorry, I don't get it. Are you mad at something?
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.
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Distinguished Professor of Prayer Healing and Creation Zoology (Baraminology) Victim of atheist scientific persecution
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Re: Are you guys for real? -
03-29-2018, 11:53 AM
Proverbs 1:5
A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:
I wish you all the best, Mr. Clyde, on your path. It would have been most wonderful to help you become a more competent adversary. As it often happens, we become our own worst enemies when we try to get our message through to others. You channeled mostly anger and frustration, dear padawan. That got through. There could have been some worthwhile content but it was crushed under the déluge of profanities.
Yours in Christ,
Elmer
2 Kings 18:25 - Am I now come up without the LORD against this place to destroy it? The LORD said to me, Go up against this land, and destroy it.
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Re: Are you guys for real? -
03-29-2018, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Evilutionist Clyde
You talk to me as if I am a fukkingg baby. Do I look like a baby to you, mother fuhking trolls, Am I a fukking baby? Let me say what you all really are, nothing more than that a lying bunch of sanctimonious cunts, pricks, sockpuppets and other assorted trolls. Fukkking knowitalls, I'm having a serious headache right now so fukkkkk off. You all have your heads so far up your bloody arses that you can smell Your Own shit. Listen cuntfaces, you're not getting to me, understand this? I won't let you fukkk with my mind, arseholes. Keep fukkkking each other with your warts infected Jesus dildo and masturbating to your Bibles. How did you fukkkks even get to live this far? Somebody should have dropped you dead for the kinda fukkking bullshit you talk a very long time ago. Say stuff my face and they'll have to carry you to the hospital on a fukkkkking stretcher. I don't give a full-time fukkkkk about any of you. Got it? Evil fukkkking wannabe cunts.
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Clive, why the hostility? You have a lot of anger in you.
As the younger child in the family it can be easy to feel as if you don’t measure up: why not talk to us? We are here to help?
Praying.
YIC
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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Re: Are you guys for real? -
03-29-2018, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Evilutionist Clyde
When I'm referring to THOUSANDS of scientists, it means 98-99% of scientists around the world who have a consensus on the Big Bang Theory and Evolution.
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Millions of people believe in The Easter Bunny, Santa Clause and The Tooth Fairy. So according to your "logic" they are all right?
See how totally pointless it is to "prove" something by quoting a few thousand misguided "scientists"?
It's time to stop wasting your life on raping innocent children in their behinds and choose the life of serving Jesus Christ instead. It's the only way that leads to the actual truth.
Freedom means voting for Donald Trump!
To most "Christians" The Bible is like a license agreement. They just scroll to the bottom and click "I agree". All those "Christians" will burn in Hell!
James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all."
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Re: Are you guys for real? -
03-29-2018, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Evilutionist Clyde
Are you guys for real?
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Sir, we are as real as Jesus's Love for us all, and as serious as the Flames of Hell.
Our time on this earth is, as a result of a sinful Eve, limited justly by God.
Our Salvation for Eternal suffering is the Promise Christ made to us all.
I cannot understand why it is that there should be any question: People buy lottery tickets because they want a few transient pleasure that the money can buy, Yes Salvation is free, it lasts beyond the end of time, and no price can be put upon it.
I urge you to put away your worldly ways and join us in Praising God through His Son, Jesus.
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Re: Are you guys for real? -
03-29-2018, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Evilutionist Clive
You talk to me as if I am a fukkingg baby. Do I look like a baby to you, mother fuhking trolls, Am I a fukking baby?
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Sweetie, most of your posts, including the rest of the one quoted above, show that you act like a baby. And you know what they say that if something quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, right?
Well, you act and look like a baby, so you are either an actual baby or one of these diaper-wearing adult babies.
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Unsaved trash, Arrogant Atheist Dick
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Re: Are you guys for real? -
03-29-2018, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Evilutionist Clive
...Listen cuntfaces, you're not getting to me, understand this?...
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Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
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Re: Are you guys for real? -
03-29-2018, 07:29 PM
SECTION ONE
I'm not sure whether this contributor is reading or using a text-to-speech app. so will include an audio link
but if that doesn't work the point remains the same. Christians have no need to rely on science or secular authors because Christians are Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Hebrews 12:2 We know that some science is real, it was taught to Daniel in a Godly context and through Daniel wisdom was communicated from God so that we would know. But there is also false science. Nothing they claim is ever "settled" because new theories come along with different evidence to upset the apple cart.
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Originally Posted by Evilutionist Clive
Anyway, I do understand where you're coming from on this. Still I'd respect a scientific evidence-based opinion. If anyone can provide it?
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How would the scientific evidence-based opinion of Phlogiston stack up? There was plenty of evidence, all the scientific departments in universities could tell you about the stuff and during combustion you could even see it being released! Yes, this was a scientific evidence-based opinion. But someone else had a different opinion.
Christianity is not based on opinion. In the passage from Hebrews I quoted a number of claims were made. Jesus is the only author we need, although other literature has its uses such as instruction manuals from manufacturers. What evidence is there to support those claims? In Hebrews 1:1-2 the author's position is set out clearly: God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds. audio here Now Karl Popper has contrasted fields of study based on critical analysis with those inviting confirmation only. What elements, if shown to be false, would falsify the claims made in Hebrews? Surely most fundamental would be Christ's current location? Let's have a closer look.
SECTION TWO
CLAIM: Jesus Christ is now in Heaven standing next to God.
EVIDENCE: Observation made by Stephen. He was challenged by adherents to an obsolete system which who actually wanted to kill him. The system had never been effective anyway which they would have known if they'd avoided confirmation bias. Stephen's observation was recorded:
Acts7:55-56 [Stephen] looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God and said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
EVIDENCE: Observation recorded by Luke who was a doctor, which may carry some weight at Monash. Or not. Probably not. Jesus had been teaching a group of people various topics. They walked out a little way where the following observation was made:
Luke 24: 50-51 And he led them out as far as to Bethany, and he lifted up his hands, and blessed them. And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
EVIDENCE: Observation recorded by Mark. Jesus knew that He'd soon be departing and left some instructions for us together with words of encouragement. Both the means of getting there and His subsequent location are confirmed by direct observation.
Mark16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
How are we doing so far? Seems consistent. Time for some more evidence.
EVIDENCE: Observation concerning the direction Jesus moved during His passage to Heaven. After He attained an altitude equal to or greater than the clouds Jesus could no longer be seen. Other testimonies confirm Hebrews regarding Jesus Christ's current location.
Acts1:9-11a And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven?
As we saw in Section One, the current location of Jesus Christ is a critical element in what we are describing for you. If the author cannot get that right then the whole thing becomes suspect. Not only do we have observations of Jesus ascending towards Heaven which it would be essential for Him to to if He were to get there (unless you're suggesting teleportation?) but in addition, observations made by multiple persons at different times and places all got the same result. Karl Popper would approve. Your objection has been answered.
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Re: Are you guys for real? -
03-29-2018, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Evilutionist Clive
You talk to me as if I am a fukkingg baby. Do I look like a baby to you, mother fuhking trolls, Am I a fukking baby? Let me say what you all really are, nothing more than that a lying bunch of sanctimonious cunts, pricks, sockpuppets and other assorted trolls. Fukkking knowitalls, I'm having a serious headache right now so fukkkkk off. You all have your heads so far up your bloody arses that you can smell Your Own shit. Listen cuntfaces, you're not getting to me, understand this? I won't let you fukkk with my mind, arseholes. Keep fukkkking each other with your warts infected Jesus dildo and masturbating to your Bibles. How did you fukkkks even get to live this far? Somebody should have dropped you dead for the kinda fukkking bullshit you talk a very long time ago. Say stuff my face and they'll have to carry you to the hospital on a fukkkkking stretcher. I don't give a full-time fukkkkk about any of you. Got it? Evil fukkkking wannabe cunts.
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Welcome friend! I am not sure what your name is because you spell it differently so many times. I also do not know what language you are speaking.
So in the interest of foreign relations with lesser people, I will make this simple and speak loudly.
HI! TELL US ABOUT YOUR WALK WITH JESUS. WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE PASSAGE? WHAT CHURCH DO YOU GO TO? DOES YOUR MOMMY AND DADDY KNOW YOU ARE ON THE INTERWEBS?
Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Re: Are you guys for real? -
03-30-2018, 06:13 AM
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Re: Are you guys for real? -
03-31-2018, 05:45 AM
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I have had enough of the Bible for one day.
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You came onto a Christian forum and are tired of hearing about the Bible? Isn't that a lot like going onto a Star Wars forum and getting tired of hearing about the Force?
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Re: Are you guys for real? -
03-31-2018, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Evilutionist Clive
You talk to me as if I am a fukkingg baby. Do I look like a baby to you, mother fuhking trolls, Am I a fukking baby? Let me say what you all really are, nothing more than that a lying bunch of sanctimonious cunts, pricks, sockpuppets and other assorted trolls. Fukkking knowitalls, I'm having a serious headache right now so fukkkkk off. You all have your heads so far up your bloody arses that you can smell Your Own shit. Listen cuntfaces, you're not getting to me, understand this? I won't let you fukkk with my mind, arseholes. Keep fukkkking each other with your warts infected Jesus dildo and masturbating to your Bibles. How did you fukkkks even get to live this far? Somebody should have dropped you dead for the kinda fukkking bullshit you talk a very long time ago. Say stuff my face and they'll have to carry you to the hospital on a fukkkkking stretcher. I don't give a full-time fukkkkk about any of you. Got it? Evil fukkkking wannabe cunts.
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G'day Clive yer ol' drongo. what crimes did your forefathers commit to be sent to Van Diemens Land? I know I would be a bit peeved if all the animals in my country were venomous.
Anyway, me little abo molestin' cobber, why are yer so angry?
Is it true that you have man eating Koalas and duck laying mammals in Abo Land? How do you explain them? Created by God. That's how.
Do you spend a lot of time with the Abo's drinkin' metho? If so you really should give it up, it'll make you blind and rot yer brains.
Anyway me little barramundi, I will say a prayer for you.
YIC
TT
P.S. Did you know Rolf Harris? He used to play a mean didgeridoo, got arrested for it as well.
Isaiah 66:15
For behold, the Lord wil come with fire, and with his charets like a whirlewinde, to render his anger with furie, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
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