[rockdevourer]

I mean, come on! A few rants:

God does not favor one church over another, no matter how much you think so.

Nintendo is a well respected Japanese gaming company, not a gay-recruitment program.

Way to condemn that lady who needed advice on what to do with her lesbian daughter. God loves all people equally, and all sin is equal in God's eyes.

Oh yeah, AIDS is only spread through swapping of fluids (blood, semen, etc), and not casual contact.

Looking forward to some replies.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

I mean, come on! A few rants:

God does not favor one church over another, no matter how much you think so.

Nintendo is a well respected Japanese gaming company, not a gay-recruitment program.

Way to condemn that lady who needed advice on what to do with her lesbian daughter. God loves all people equally, and all sin is equal in God's eyes.

Oh yeah, AIDS is only spread through swapping of fluids (blood, semen, etc), and not casual contact.

Looking forward to some replies.

We are not interested in your "rants." we are interested in getting you Saved©. This is a Christian FAMILY thread. Why did you choose to spew your hatred here?

[whytolerateme]

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

We are not interested in your "rants." we are interested in getting you Saved©. This is a Christian FAMILY thread. Why did you choose to spew your hatred here?

If you are interested in getting this man or woman saved, then why does this forum's banner clearly say "Unsaved unwelcome!"? That doesn't make much sense now, does it?

[rockdevourer]

Aye, you should be interested, or atleast pretend to be to "save" me. I am already saved, and it seems to me that you guys are the ones who need to be saved. You can lump family with pretty much anything, by the way This isn't hatred.

The Lord once said you must remove the plank from your own eye before you can remove the saw dust from your brother's.

[SalvationSeeker]

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

God does not favor one church over another, no matter how much you think so.

God favors those who obeys His commandments over those who don't. (Psalm 145:20)
And you will find no other Church that honors as many commandments, all of them infact, as us at Landover.
We follow the ENTIRE Bible, not just the parts that are 'politically correct'.

Nintendo is a well respected Japanese gaming company, not a gay-recruitment program.

So you say.
But you're probably a fag yourself sent here by your sodomite overlords to advance your vile agenda.
And even if not, we don't care much for your say-so's and personal opinions.

Way to condemn that lady who needed advice on what to do with her lesbian daughter.

Are you saying God approves of lesbianism?

God loves all people equally, and all sin is equal in God's eyes.

No, He doesnt. God hates sinners. (Psalm 5:5)
And there is a sin that will never be forgiven. (Mark 3:29)

[whytolerateme]

^ You failed to retort to the bible verse the thread creator posted. I would like to know what you think of it.

[SalvationSeeker]

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

I am already saved, and it seems to me that you guys are the ones who need to be saved.

Oh, really? Well, every false Christian who slithers in here seems to think so..
Too bad you run out again pretty quick, not able to handle the truth that is the Word of God.
The truth that convicts you and proves you are still in your sins.


Now, just two quick questions:

Do you love your family?
Do you think fags deserve death?

[SalvationSeeker]

Originally Posted by whytolerateme

^ You failed to retort to the bible verse the thread creator posted. I would like to know what you think of it.

Three things:
First, he uses a false Bible. (any other than the KJV).
Second, he didn't actually post it.
Third, he is the one who doesn't obey it:

For he comes here, and call us wrong and tries to judge us -
When he is the one in disagreement with the Word of God.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Of course we are for real. Did you read our FAQ? You can find the link in my signature.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

God does not favor one church over another, no matter how much you think so.

Of course He does. Logically, don't you think that God would favor a church that faithfully preaches His Word over one that preaches false doctrines? Take a look at this.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

Way to condemn that lady who needed advice on what to do with her lesbian daughter.

I'm not sure what lady you are talking about. How about posting a link to her thread?

We don't condemn anyone. People condemn themselves through sin. We merely warn them about the consequences of sin and teach them how to avoid those consequences.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

God loves all people equally,

That is simply not true, and if you read your Bible, you would know that.

God hates false witnesses and people who sow discord (Prov 6:16-19). God hates the wicked and folks who love violence (Psalm 11:5). God hates workers of iniquity (Psalm 5:5). God hated Esau (Mal 1:3; Rom 9:13). In other words, God hates the sin and the sinner.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

and all sin is equal in God's eyes.

You got one right! All sin IS equal. Every sin, from the smallest "white lie" to the most horrendous killing spree, deserves eternal torment in Hell.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

Oh yeah, AIDS is only spread through swapping of fluids (blood, semen, etc), and not casual contact.

AIDS is God's righteous punishment for sin. Take a look at this.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[rockdevourer]

Originally Posted by SalvationSeeker

God favors those who obeys His commandments over those who don't. (Psalm 145:20)
And you will find no other Church that honors as many commandments, all of them infact, as us at Landover.
We follow the ENTIRE Bible, not just the parts that are 'politically correct'.



So you say.
But you're probably a fag yourself sent here by your sodomite overlords to advance your vile agenda.
And even if not, we don't care much for your say-so's and personal opinions.



Are you saying God approves of lesbianism?



No, He doesnt. God hates sinners. (Psalm 5:5)
And no, it isn't. (Mark 3:29)

Hahah, this is so worth my time...


You follow all the commandments, correct? Well, "Love thy neighbor as thy self," was just broken by you. Unless you think of yourself as a fag, and everyone else too, that is.

No, I wasn't sent by my "sodomite overlords."
Here's food for thought: if God punished Jonah for turning away from the unsaved people in Sodom and Gomorrah, what's stopping him from punishing you for the same?

No, I'm not saying God approves of "lesbianism" (you didn't use the correct term ), just that he views all sin equally: telling a lye, or using slander against another one of God's creatures in this case, is the same as commiting murder in God's eyes.

Oh yeah, can you remind me what Jesus said to the thief on the cross? Wasn't it something along the lines that he shall see him in paradise with his Father in Heaven? God forgives of all sin, regardless of what it is.

"
Now, just two quick questions:

Do you love your family?
Do you think fags deserve death?"

Yes, I love my family very dearly, and everyone I know pretty much.
No, I do not think homosexuals deserve death, for everyone sins and Jesus died on the cross for everyone's sins.





" Originally Posted by rockdevourer
Way to condemn that lady who needed advice on what to do with her lesbian daughter.
I'm not sure what lady you are talking about. How about posting a link to her thread?

We don't condemn anyone. People condemn themselves through sin. We merely warn them about the consequences of sin and teach them how to avoid those consequences.


It's a few posts down from this one.



" In other words, God hates the sin and the sinner."

So in other words, God hates you? (Which is simply untrue, but following your logic, it is)



" AIDS is God's righteous punishment for sin. Take a look at this."

Actually, you can obtain it from your parents having it. On top of that, that's some really bad logic; you can obtain AIDS from someone stabbing you with needle, or otherwise.


Before I forget:

" First, he uses a false Bible. (any other than the KJV)."

God doesn't endorse a specific version of the Holy Bible, because Bible's were not around until the early 1000's. In case you didn't know, which I hope you do know, the books of the Bible were written in scripture, before being ordered to be translated into English by King James.

[SalvationSeeker]

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

You follow all the commandments, correct? Well, "Love thy neighbor as thy self," was just broken by you. Unless you think of yourself as a fag, and everyone else too, that is.

If I was unsaved, I'd want to get told the truth and get Saved:
I treat others as I'd like to get treated in the same situation.
You obviously haven't actually read the commandment properly.

Besides, neighbor doesn't equal everyone.
You'd know that if you'd read the Bible in proper.

No, I wasn't sent by my "sodomite overlords."
Here's food for thought: if God punished Jonah for turning away from the unsaved people in Sodom and Gomorrah, what's stopping him from punishing you for the same?

And since when didn't we urge fags to repent and accept Jesus?
You got no case here.

No, I'm not saying God approves of "lesbianism" (you didn't use the correct term ), just that he views all sin equally: telling a lye, or using slander against another one of God's creatures in this case, is the same as commiting murder in God's eyes.

And how is the truth slander?
Please explain that one..

Oh yeah, can you remind me what Jesus said to the thief on the cross? Wasn't it something along the lines that he shall see him in paradise with his Father in Heaven? God forgives of all sin, regardless of what it is.

So what does this mean then?
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
Mark 3:29

The thief (obviously) hadn't blasphemed the Holy Ghost...

Yes, I love my family very dearly, and everyone I know pretty much.

You aren't Saved then, Jesus Himself say so.
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters,
Yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14:26

No, I do not think homosexuals deserve death, for everyone sins and Jesus died on the cross for everyone's sins.

And you even disagree with God! Yeah, you aren't Saved.
Romans 1:26-32 says homosexuals deserve death.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another;
Men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness;
Full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death,
Not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Romans 1:26-32

So in other words, God hates you? (Which is simply untrue, but following your logic, it is)

I'm beginning to think you don't have the slightest clue as to what 'logic' means..
What sin, using the Word of God, can you claim we have commited?

Actually, you can obtain it from your parents having it. On top of that, that's some really bad logic; you can obtain AIDS from someone stabbing you with needle, or otherwise.

Are you saying God never punishes the children of transgressors?

God doesn't endorse a specific version of the Holy Bible, because Bible's were not around until the early 1000's. In case you didn't know, which I hope you do know, the books of the Bible were written in scripture, before being ordered to be translated into English by King James.

I've never heard of that language..
Your folly aside, the KJV is the only true Bible, the Word of God, because it is the only Bible version now existant that hasn't been corrupted.
Simple.

[rockdevourer]

Originally Posted by SalvationSeeker

If I was unsaved, I'd want to get told the truth and get Saved:
I treat others as I'd like to get treated in the same situation.
You obviously haven't actually read the commandment properly.

Besides, neighbor doesn't equal everyone.
You'd know that if you'd read the Bible in proper.
Oh, it doesn't? Just because someone doesn't live across the street from you doesn't mean you shouldn't love them. Jesus doesn't live across the street from any one of us, but he loves us all the more.


And since when didn't we urge fags to repent and accept Jesus?
You got no case here.
Mmm, pretty much you guys are claiming I'm a fag, and I should go away right now. Same for the whytolerate guy in the other thread, you are claiming he is a troll, while he may be here solely to learn about the Lord.


And how is the truth slander?
Please explain that one..
Mainly because you called me, one of God's creature's, a fag, which is simply untrue. You are breaking two commandments here, at least (you can stretch a few others to include this):
1. Thou shalt not lie
2. Thou shall love thy neighbor as themselves.


So what does this mean then?
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
Mark 3:29

The thief (obviously) hadn't blasphemed the Holy Ghost...
Is in **DANGER** of eternal damnation. Doesn't mean they are completely screwed right off the bat. If they are clueless and brought up that way as a child, never knowing the story about Jesus Christ and what he has done, they can learn of Him and turn their life around. I'm sure God would be pretty lenient on this one.


You aren't Saved then, Jesus Himself say so.
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters,
Yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
Luke 14:26

So you're saying you absolutely dispise your life and your so called "loved ones?" If not, you must not be saved either. Being a disciple is not the same as being saved, by the way.

The Lord once told a man that he must give up and sell all his possessions to come and follow him, and that it would be easier for a camel to go through an eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. I take that you live in America, one of the wealthiest countries on the planet. And seeing that you are posting right now, I take it you didn't give up all your possessions and followed the Lord, unless you are staying at a hotel for the night after a long day of witnessing to the stray. Just a little bit of your logic.

And you even disagree with God! Yeah, you aren't Saved.
Romans 1:26-32 says homosexuals deserve death.

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another;
Men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness;
Full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death,
Not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Romans 1:26-32

Alright, wow you got me. Not. Like your Senior pastor posted, all sin is equal in the eyes of God: that would mean you telling a lie, or committing slander by calling me or others fags, are worthy of death and eternal damnation in Hell.

I'm beginning to think you don't have the slightest clue as to what 'logic' means..
What sin, using the Word of God, can you claim we have commited?

I honestly don't feel like going to my car in the 20 degree weather right now to grab my bible for absolutely specific verses, but "lying "and "not loving thy neighbor as thyself" is most definitely a sin, and breaks the 10 commandments.
1. Lying is not telling the truth
2. Not loving thy neighbor (me) as thyself (you) would be you flinging around the word "fag," being used in a derogative way.

Are you saying God never punishes the children of transgressors?

What sin has the child committed that would deserve such a damnation? God loves all his children, regardless of their past, present, or future status.

I've never heard of that language..
Your folly aside, the KJV is the only true Bible, the Word of God, because it is the only Bible version now existant that hasn't been corrupted.
Simple.
We both know I meant on. That's pretty much slander against the Holy Ghost/Spirit, because God's word is never corrupted. Incase you have not noticed, things can be mistranslated in the process. So, there a points in the Bible where it could have different meanings or interpretations than actually printed because a word can have multiple meaning.

Yep.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

Hahah, this is so worth my time...

If we are boring you, there is a big X on the upper right corner of your screen.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

You follow all the commandments, correct? Well, "Love thy neighbor as thy self," was just broken by you. Unless you think of yourself as a fag, and everyone else too, that is.

It seems you are taking text out of context. Who are my neighbors? The passage that you are quote-mining defines the term.

Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Our neighbors are our fellow Christians.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

Here's food for thought: if God punished Jonah for turning away from the unsaved people in Sodom and Gomorrah, what's stopping him from punishing you for the same?

Nothing, except for the fact that we are not doing the same. Besides, God sent Jonah to Nineveh, not Sodom and Gomorrah. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah Himself long before Jonah's time.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

just that he views all sin equally: telling a lye, or using slander against another one of God's creatures in this case, is the same as commiting murder in God's eyes.

You have that one right!

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

Oh yeah, can you remind me what Jesus said to the thief on the cross? Wasn't it something along the lines that he shall see him in paradise with his Father in Heaven? God forgives of all sin, regardless of what it is.

Only if we repent and turn away from our sins. Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is never forgiven, however.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

Do you love your family?

Of course not. I want to be worthy of Jesus.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

Do you think fags deserve death?

It doesn't matter what I think. It matters what God thinks. God has made his opinion on this matter quite clear.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

Yes, I love my family very dearly, and everyone I know pretty much.
No, I do not think homosexuals deserve death, for everyone sins and Jesus died on the cross for everyone's sins.

Then your disagreement is not with us. Your disagreement is with Scripture. Jesus did not die for everyone's sins. If Jesus died for everyone's sins, then no one would be in Hell, and there would be no need for repentance.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

" In other words, God hates the sin and the sinner."

So in other words, God hates you? (Which is simply untrue, but following your logic, it is)

Wrong. Once I have been convicted of my sins, once I have repented and turned away from them, once I have accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior, then my sins are washed away clean. I am no longer a sinner (1 John 5:18). PRAISE GOD, the LORD is so GOOD! SHOUT GLORY!

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

"AIDS is God's righteous punishment for sin. Take a look at this."

Actually, you can obtain it from your parents having it.

That's still caused by sin. God often punishes the sins of the parents down to the third or fourth generation (Ex. 20:5; Ex. 34:7; Deut. 5:9; Num. 14:18).

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

On top of that, that's some really bad logic; you can obtain AIDS from someone stabbing you with needle, or otherwise.

If God ever puts me in that situation, I'll know it's because He has a special plan for me. Everything He does is good and just.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

God doesn't endorse a specific version of the Holy Bible, because Bible's were not around until the early 1000's. In case you didn't know, which I hope you do know, the books of the Bible were written in scripture, before being ordered to be translated into English by King James.

Of course we know that. We also know what the punishments are for adding to or removing from God's Word. Those warnings are something that the authors of every English language Bible other than the King James Version decided to ignore.

Take a look at this. Ask yourself why is the KJV the ONLY English language Bible in the public domain, not controlled by copyright restrictions, and why are the copyrights for ALL OTHER English language Bibles controlled by Harper Collins and its subsidiaries, when Harper Collins is the publisher of Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible and several disgusting gay how-to sex manuals.

Still not convinced? Try the NIV challenge.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[rockdevourer]

Originally Posted by Pastor Billy-Reuben

If we are boring you, there is a big X on the upper right corner of your screen.

No, it isn't boring me. I was being serious that it is worth my time.


It seems you are taking text out of context. Who are my neighbors? The passage that you are quote-mining defines the term.

Lev 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Our neighbors are our fellow Christians.

Yes, but if you didn't love your neighbor, or other people, what would the purpose of witnessing to them be?

Nothing, except for the fact that we are not doing the same. Besides, God sent Jonah to Nineveh, not Sodom and Gomorrah. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah Himself long before Jonah's time.

My bad, I kind of lumped two things together with this post, it's nearly midnight here and I have to get up around 6 to get ready for work each day.




Only if we repent and turn away from our sins. Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is never forgiven, however.

Read what I posted a few posts ago.
Summary: If you were unaware of Christ as the Lord before you committed the blasphemy, I'm fairly sure he would be lenient if you turn your life around and become a Christian and serve the Lord.

Of course not. I want to be worthy of Jesus.
Maybe you are taking this too literally. Again, read what I posted a few posts ago.
Summary: You're in America, one of the wealthiest countries on the planet, you should've given up all your possessions and followed the Lord. "I tell you the truth: it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven."

It doesn't matter what I think. It matters what God thinks. God has made his opinion on this matter quite clear.
I didn't post those questions, SS did. But, I do realize it doesn't matter what you think, because it is up to God. Ultimately God does what is according to His plan.

Then your disagreement is not with us. Your disagreement is with Scripture. Jesus did not die for everyone's sins. If Jesus died for everyone's sins, then no one would be in Hell, and there would be no need for repentance.
God sent his son to die for our sins so that whoever believes in Him , (that he is The Way, The Truth, and The Life, and that he is God's son, etc) may enter the Kingdom of Heaven. So Jesus did die for everyone's sin, you choose whether or not to accept or reject Him.

Wrong. Once I have been convicted of my sins, once I have repented and turned away from them, once I have accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior, then my sins are washed away clean. I am no longer a sinner (1 John 5:18). PRAISE GOD, the LORD is so GOOD! SHOUT GLORY!
That is true, but you still commit sins while you are Christian, whether you like it or not. No one can ever be perfect like God or Jesus, no matter how much we try. Yes, we still slip up once and a while, but it is still considered a sin, but God has forgiven us of them.


That's still caused by sin. God often punishes the sins of the parents down to the third or fourth generation (Ex. 20:5; Ex. 34:7; Deut. 5:9; Num. 14:18).
Yes, I am aware of this, but God also loves all his Children and wouldn't want to damn them. But, since the children are not of the age of awareness (commonly 12), they would go to Heaven anyways. If they live to be 20 or so with AIDS, then die, and they were bed-ridden, they would enter the Kingdom of God too, unless they have heard of the story of the Lord, but never really accepted it.

If God ever puts me in that situation, I'll know it's because He has a special plan for me. Everything He does is good and just.
Very true. I was just pointing out that you can get AIDS from non-sexual activity, and it wasn't necessarily directed at you.

Of course we know that. We also know what the punishments are for adding to or removing from God's Word.
I never said that it wasn't true.
Those warnings are something that the authors of every English language Bible other than the King James Version decided to ignore.
Not necessarily true, we were not around the time that the KJV was being translated, so it isn't perfect. Nothing but God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are perfect, so I'm pretty sure there is atleast one mistranslation. What's to say that there wasn't multiple meanings in the original language (probably being hebrew)? KJV wasn't translated from the original hebrew manuscripts, they were translated from the Roman's Latin version and Greece's Greek Version.
Take a look at this. Ask yourself why is the KJV the ONLY English language Bible in the public domain, not controlled by copyright restrictions, and why are the copyrights for ALL OTHER English language Bibles controlled by Harper Collins and its subsidiaries,

It isn't controlled by copyrights and all that good stuff mainly because they didn't have that back then. Copyrights, patents, etc. were created by us in the 1700-1800s.

when Harper Collins is the publisher of Anton LaVey's Satanic Bible and several disgusting gay how-to sex manuals.
Who is to say I use the NIV translation? I actually use the one that the American General wrote and tranlasted in the 90s (can't think of it, and it's killing me on the inside )
Still not convinced? Try the NIV challenge.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

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[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

No, it isn't boring me. I was being serious that it is worth my time.

Fair enough. We get a lot of trolls here, and I read sarcasm into your response that was not there. I apologize for that.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

Yes, but if you didn't love your neighbor, or other people, what would the purpose of witnessing to them be?

The short answer is that we witness to the unsaved because God commands us to. I don't want to presume to know God's motives, but it seems reasonable to think that He wants us to witness to others so that they might be saved and become our neighbors.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

Read what I posted a few posts ago.
Summary: If you were unaware of Christ as the Lord before you committed the blasphemy, I'm fairly sure he would be lenient if you turn your life around and become a Christian and serve the Lord.

Blasphemy implies willfulness. You can't accidentally blaspheme the Holy Ghost.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

Maybe you are taking this too literally. Again, read what I posted a few posts ago.

The Bible is God's Word written plainly. One cannot take it "too literally".

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

Summary: You're in America, one of the wealthiest countries on the planet, you should've given up all your possessions and followed the Lord. "I tell you the truth: it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven."

Who says I haven't? I give to the Lord and I am repaid a hundredfold.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

I didn't post those questions, SS did.

I was having trouble telling where his post ended and your began.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

God sent his son to die for our sins so that whoever believes in Him , (that he is The Way, The Truth, and The Life, and that he is God's son, etc) may enter the Kingdom of Heaven. So Jesus did die for everyone's sin, you choose whether or not to accept or reject Him.

You are misunderstanding a bit. You are dancing all around the Truth here, but not getting to the core of it.

Jesus did not die to save everyone. If He did, everyone would be saved. We both believe in limited atonement. I believe Jesus' atonement was limited in scope. You believe Jesus' atonement is limited in effectiveness.

I agree that the doctrine of universal atonement is a beautiful concept, but it is not biblical, and it turns Jesus into a liar. The proof of limited atonement is here:

John 10:14-15
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Jesus lays His life down for the sheep.

John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Jesus will not lose any of the sheep.

Matthew 7:13-14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Most people do not get saved.

In addition, Jesus said that he doesn't pray for the world, but only those who God gave to him (John 17:9), Acts 20:28 says that Jesus purchased the church with His blood, Ephesians 5:25 says that Jesus gave Himself for the church, and Matthew 1:21 says that Jesus shall save His people from their sins.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

That is true, but you still commit sins while you are Christian, whether you like it or not. No one can ever be perfect like God or Jesus, no matter how much we try. Yes, we still slip up once and a while, but it is still considered a sin, but God has forgiven us of them.

We are only quibbling over semantics here. I am without sin, not because I am perfect, but because Jesus has washed my sins away.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

But, since the children are not of the age of awareness (commonly 12), they would go to Heaven anyways.

I challenge you to find in-context scripture that defines an "age of awareness" and says that children under this age automatically go to Heaven.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

If they live to be 20 or so with AIDS, then die, and they were bed-ridden, they would enter the Kingdom of God too, unless they have heard of the story of the Lord, but never really accepted it.

Romans 1:20 makes it clear that people who haven't heard the Gospel message do not get a free pass into Heaven. They have to repent, believe, and accept Jesus just like everyone else.

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

Not necessarily true, we were not around the time that the KJV was being translated, so it isn't perfect. Nothing but God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are perfect, so I'm pretty sure there is atleast one mistranslation. What's to say that there wasn't multiple meanings in the original language (probably being hebrew)?

But the Bible is God's Word, and He promised to preserve His words forever. This means that there HAS to be a book, somewhere, that is His perfectly preserved Word. You can read this, and learn how to know that this book is the King James Bible.

Do you not believe that God is capable of inspiring humans to perform a perfect translation of His Word, even though He promised He would?

Originally Posted by rockdevourer

KJV wasn't translated from the original hebrew manuscripts, they were translated from the Roman's Latin version and Greece's Greek Version.

That is a lie. I'm not calling you a liar because you may simply be unaware of it. The KJV was not translated from the Latin Vulgate or the Alexandrian manuscripts. The KJV is only English language Bible that was translated from the Textus Receptus. If you don't understand why that is a big deal, then take a look at this.

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[Commissar-Satan]

this place has to be a joke!

[rockdevourer]

tl;dr

Thanks for the wonderful night, I am sick and wasn't able to go out without getting more sick/others sick.

[Pastor Billy-Reuben]

Originally Posted by Commissar-Satan

this place has to be a joke!

We are serious folks with a serious mission here, devil-boy. Jesus has used us to get many folks saved, and if it's His will, we'll save many more.

I know that you were brought here for a reason. Time will tell if it is so that you can be saved so that God might show His mercy, or if it is so you can serve as an example so that God might show His wrath. I'm praying it's the former, but either way, God's glory will be made manifest. PRAISE GOD!

Pastor Billy-Reuben

[rockdevourer]

Well, sorry then. I did enjoy the debating, it gave me something to do for the night. I still believe mine, you probably still believe yours. I am done for the night, hope to meet you on the other side some day.

[JeebisIsNotReal]

No. This place is not real. It is a cult that steals your money.

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