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GLORY!!!!
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Do You Hate Your Mother as Much as Jesus Hated His?
A Biblical Approach to Mother's Day.
Mother's Day is really no different than any other pagan holiday. Its object is to get you to the mall and then trick you into worshiping someone other than Jesus. As True Baptists™, we must come to terms with the full knowledge that Satan's burping whore of Babylon, the Catholic Church, is behind every shameless secular holiday. With Mother's Day, the foul stench of papal involvement couldn't be more obvious. Because the ring-kissers have made a history of whipping their psychosexual cravings for Jesus' mother, Mary into such a fever pitch, that they spend all their time worrying about what went into her Holy Vagina, leaving no time to worship what came out of it – Jesus!
Hell-bound Catholics (as if there are any other kind) would have you believe that Jesus loved his mother. But the Holy Bible tells us differently. Jesus said, "If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother...he cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26). So it is perfectly clear that we are called upon by Christ to hate our parents. Fortunately, as sweet Jenna and Barbara Bush have found, this isn't a very onerous expectation. We may spend our entire lives doing our best to emulate the Lord Jesus, but rest assured, we will never match the utter contempt and intolerable scorn that He had for His own mother. And that's not even getting into what Jesus felt about His Daddy! But imagine what you would feel like if you knew your father was out to kill you only to make Himself look more forgiving to others!
Can you imagine being doted and hounded by your own mother as much as Jesus was from His? Even for a Jewish mother, the woman was clearly a pest. Scripture reveals to us that she was an insufferable leech when it came to her precious Son. Once, when Jesus was attending a sleazy wedding party in Galilee, His mother started pestering Him to perform one of His magic tricks when they ran out of cheap grape juice. Jesus turned to her and said, "Woman, what have I to do with thee?" (John 2:4). He must have been so fed up with His mother's incessant nagging (and her insisting that He accompany her to such a trashy event) that He turned 6 vessels of water into Welch's grape juice just to get her to shut up for the rest of the day. And when Mary gulped down a big glass of unfermented wine she became furious that she wasn't getting the buzz she craved and said things to Jesus in language that the editors of the Gospels refused to even transcribe.
Mary was always trying to make a momma's boy out of Jesus, but He just wouldn't stand for it. He was more of Daddy's boy. But He even got fed up with His own Heavenly Father in the end, as well. He did everything His Daddy God asked Him to, but when He was slapped onto the cross like a slab of raw meat, He was all alone shouting, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" (Matthew 27:46). And while Jesus was hanging up there, being barbecued in the hot sun for the sins of mankind, He was still able to muster enough strength to look down at His confused mother and scream, "Woman, behold thy son!" (John 19:26). This was the Judaic equivalent of "Well, I hope you're satisfied!" Jesus' words there reflect a smug satisfaction through His pain and suffering that He would never again be subjected to a life of having to impress His mother's friends at Jerusalem tea parties with His super powers. The good Lord would only perform one more trick before leaving this world: to cheat death. And it wouldn't be for His mother. He became undead for all of us! Particularly those of us here at Landover Baptist and other Bible believing churches across America! Glory to God! But you better believe, during His brief time as a freshly resurrected corpse He wasn’t even tempted to seek out his yenta harpy of a mother to spook her! No sir! He hotfooted right back to Heaven!
So this Mother's day, we encourage you to make it a Bible-friendly day by sending your mother a little card to remind her of how much you and Jesus loathe her. By sending this card you will have proof in your file on Judgment Day that you actually did follow Jesus' commandment to hate your mother. And you can join Jesus in slapping your knees and having a big old belly-laugh as both of you watch your mothers slide down a greased shoot towards the unquenchable fires of an everlasting Mother-welcoming Hell. To God be the glory!
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Pastor Ezekiel, might I suggest just sending an e-mail to one's mother? I think an e-mail is much better proof. Today I didn't even call my mother. I sent her an e-mail to wish her Happy Mother's Day, and I attached a copy of this post you wrote. The fact that my mother doesn't own a laptop or even a computer is even better!!! She won't get the message for weeks!
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Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did? -
05-10-2015, 06:57 PM
Shout Glory!!!
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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05-10-2015, 08:53 PM
Since it is mother's day, I have sent an e-mail to my mother telling her how much I despise her.
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Dear mom.
I feel it is my Christian duty to remind you on this mother's day that I hate your guts. Christ tells us in His Word that we are to hate our parents, so I have contemplated deeply the reasons why I think you are a deplorable individual.
One, you raised me Presbyterian. In the Presbyterian church I was taught many heresies. I owe all of my misfortune as a youth to the blasphemous doctrines of Presbyterianism, and your warped and twisted religion.
Two, you did not beat me sufficiently. Every misdeed I have committed can be owed to this failure.
Three, you did not hate your parents as you should.
While I assure you there are a plethora of more reasons why I should despise you, I do not want to grace you with more undeserved attention. Jesus would want me to ignore you to.
Please do not contact me.
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05-11-2015, 02:10 AM
Mine was brief:
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Mother. Piss off. You're a bitch. - Jim
Please note: I've even changed that poofter name you gave me (Damian)
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Excellent brother. I was thinking about not contacting her at all. She probably wouldn't have crossed my mind if not for this thread. You don't think she will mistake all of my attentive hatred for a degree of affection, do you?
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Excellent brother. I was thinking about not contacting her at all. She probably wouldn't have crossed my mind if not for this thread. You don't think she will mistake all of my attentive hatred for a degree of affection, do you?
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There is certainly a danger of that occurring, but if you were to do that, she may well think that you simply forgot. My rationale is that I've remembered that it's mothers' day, and I'll use it to really tell her what I think of her.
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05-11-2015, 02:20 PM
Isn't there some way to get this holiday repealed from the calendar? Since when did women deserve recognition for doing their jobs? Just asking.
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05-11-2015, 03:21 PM
Brother Farmer handled this atrocious holiday very well. I on the other hand am concerned that I may have sent my mother an email which, while full of hatred, was a bit too long. This leaves open the possibility that she may have derived some pleasure from the time spent reminiscing about her estranged child. What can I do to ensure that my mother knows I have nothing but hatred for her, in accordance with the precepts of Christ?
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I'm proud of my children who spent the day sharing the Good News on "Mother's Day" that God will not tolerate uppity women. In Cedar Rapids, Iowa, the heavy metal band Slipknot played their death culture music, but some of us reminded the party goers the real party doesn't happen if they don't repent.
Hemant Mehta, the "friendly" atheist posted about this. I like the following comment because it shows the mental gymnastics heathens do in order to avoid facing the superior logic of the Bible:
A reader by the name of "OooShiny" made this comment:
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Replacing "women" on that sign with Jews or blacks better illustrates the slavery and perpetual shame it's demanding of women into under the guise of morality.
Claiming that, merely because of my gender, I should sacrifice my mind, my heart, my will and my dreams to someday maybe qualify as worthy of a man's love and of a silent God's grace is a threat to my well-being, my freedom and my humanness.
Fundamentalist men's demands that women be silent, and that we be grateful for it, are not just a difference of opinion but a warning of their very real policy of cultic religious abuse.
Such demands for total power and control over women are not just unhealthy but obscene to the point of sociopathic.
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But let's take a look at this, shall we?
"Slavery and perpetual shame ... under the guise of morality." Sounds awful, doesn't it? So oppressive! But the truth is, we are slaves either to sin or to Christ. One or the other. There is no in between, there is no middle of the road. One is born into servitude, like it or not (Romans 6:22). The prudent thing to do is learn how to exchange your master from one that leads to eternal damnation, to one that leads to eternal life (Matthew 25:46).
Now who's the sociopath? The one who wants people to run towards Hell, or the one who wants to save souls?
Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.
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05-11-2015, 04:16 PM
This has to be the best sign I have ever read and very true!
I have to agree with Mr. Farmer's handling of the situation as well. If I make a phone call, I tend to keep it short and to the point! None of this gushy nonsense to build their sinful egos! I find that something along the lines of "See you in hell......from Heaven" will do it for me.
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I'm proud of my children who spent the day sharing the Good News on "Mother's Day" that God will not tolerate uppity women. In Cedar Rapids, Iowa, the heavy metal band Slipknot played their death culture music, but some of us reminded the party goers the real party doesn't happen if they don't repent.
Hemant Mehta, the "friendly" atheist posted about this. I like the following comment because it shows the mental gymnastics heathens do in order to avoid facing the superior logic of the Bible:
A reader by the name of "OooShiny" made this comment:
But let's take a look at this, shall we?
"Slavery and perpetual shame ... under the guise of morality." Sounds awful, doesn't it? So oppressive! But the truth is, we are slaves either to sin or to Christ. One or the other. There is no in between, there is no middle of the road. One is born into servitude, like it or not (Romans 6:22). The prudent thing to do is learn how to exchange your master from one that leads to eternal damnation, to one that leads to eternal life (Matthew 25:46).
Now who's the sociopath? The one who wants people to run towards Hell, or the one who wants to save souls?
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Brother Farmer handled this atrocious holiday very well. I on the other hand am concerned that I may have sent my mother an email which, while full of hatred, was a bit too long. This leaves open the possibility that she may have derived some pleasure from the time spent reminiscing about her estranged child. What can I do to ensure that my mother knows I have nothing but hatred for her, in accordance with the precepts of Christ?
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Brother Billy Bob, I don't think it matters. Do you care how she feels? Of course not. Her sadness or joy is irrelevant.
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In my catequesis classes I was taught that "to hate" in this context meant "to love less". We conclude that the verse means love your family less than God.
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In my catequesis classes I was taught that "to hate" in this context meant "to love less". We conclude that the verse means love your family less than God.
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Yes, of course! Words mean what your priest tells you they mean.
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In my catequesis classes I was taught that "to hate" in this context meant "to love less". We conclude that the verse means love your family less than God.
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Pray tell, where did you learn this false doctrine? From the idolatrous Catholic "Church" that has such shameful lust for Jesus' mother? I'm not surprised.
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In my catequesis classes I was taught that "to hate" in this context meant "to love less". We conclude that the verse means love your family less than God.
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Dear sinner,
Let us go through this with Biblical Skepticism. It is the method that Creation Science uses when it encounters allegations that seem to be too good to be True™. Unfortunately, secular science has hijacked this method and, thus, it has become less and less popular among Bible Students. Are there data that do not yield support for your claim and, if there are, are they of such importance that your hypothesis should be dismissed?
The verse in question:
Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.- Your hypothesis: "Hate" means "love less".
As silly as it may seem, we have to turn to Greek here. Before American became the most important vernacular on Earth, God used Greek to communicate His Will. The word we're examining is μισέω. It occurs about 40 times in the New Testament and more in the LXX.
The root is a substantive μῖσος ("hate, hatred"). Let us see how this fits the verse we're about to discuss:
Hypothetical Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and love not his father less, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. (Εἴ τις ἔρχεται πρός με καὶ οὐ μισεῖ [active indicative present, third person singular] τὸν πατέρα αὐτοῦ καὶ τὴν μητέρα καὶ τὴν γυναῖκα καὶ τὰ τέκνα καὶ τοὺς ἀδελφοὺς καὶ τὰς ἀδελφάς, ἔτι τε καὶ τὴν ψυχὴν ἑαυτοῦ, οὐ δύναται εἶναί μου μαθητής.)
Less than what? Less than previously? It does not state "less than Jesus". Would God have been so ambiguous? Your claim is charming and alluring as it demands less from us than total obedience to Jesus would. Your version makes the verse extremely complicated and messy requiring thousands of pages of commantaries - which is exactly what the false Churches want to do. Next, we examine how well this alternative translation of yours fits some other occurrences of the verb μισέω.
Hebrews 1:9
Thou [referring to God] hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. (ἠγάπησας δικαιοσύνην καὶ ἐμίσησας [aorist active indicative, second person singular] ἀνομίαν· διὰ τοῦτο ἔχρισέν σε, ὁ Θεός, ὁ Θεός σου ἔλαιον ἀγαλλιάσεως παρὰ τοὺς μετόχους σου.)
Here we have an actual comparison between two things, so grammatically we can use your suggestion here better than in the Luke example. Let us see:
Hypothetical Hebrews 1:9
Thou hast loved righteousness, and loved iniquity less; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
No way! This would mean that God loves righteousness but He also loves iniquity (lawlessness) - He just loves iniquity less but still holds it dear. Perhaps the Gospels will save your hypothesis? Everyone loves John 3:16. That chapter also contains an example that we can examine.
John 3:20
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. (πᾶς γὰρ ὁ φαῦλα πράσσων μισεῖ [present active indicative, first person singular] τὸ φῶς καὶ οὐκ ἔρχεται πρὸς τὸ φῶς, ἵνα μὴ ἐλεγχθῇ τὰ ἔργα αὐτοῦ·)
Light, obviously, is Jesus (John 1:4).
Hypothetical John 3:20
For every one that doeth evil loveth the light less, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
This is exactly what the false prophets ( i.e., false Christian teachers) would like us to hear (Matthew 7:15)! Now we can see that we have reached the roots of this "alternative translation". This verse in its hypothetical form would tell us that the evil-doers actually love Jesus but they only love Him slightly less than regular Christians™. This is the doctrine that everyone "gets into Heaven" with some light entertaining Repentance followed by more evil-doing as "they love Jesus in their own way". This is the doctrine that makes the Bible unnecessary by distorting its message deliberately.
Finally, we can look at the LXX to see how well your suggestion fits the OT.
Jeremiah 44:4
Howbeit I sent unto you all my servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing that I hate. (καὶ ἀπέστειλα πρὸς ὑμᾶς τοὺς παῖδάς μου τοὺς προφήτας ὄρθρου καὶ ἀπέστειλα λέγων μὴ ποιήσητε τὸ πρᾶγμα τῆς μολύνσεως ταύτης ἧς ἐμίσησα [active indicative aorist, first person singular])
And the hypothetical Jeremiah 44:4
Howbeit I sent unto you all my servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing that I love less.
This section begins by quoting God, so it is God speaking in verse Jeremiah 44:4. This would mean that God loves the abominable things but just less than nice things. While Isaiah 45:7 yields some support to this view, it is still a bit far-fetched, isn't it? Please keep in mind also that the translators of LXX used their own living vernacular to choose the suitable words for the Hebrew vocabulary, Hebrew that was not any more actively spoken at the time but that still was connected by an unbroken line to the days when Moses wrote down God's original musings.
Conclusions:- Your hypothesis of replacing "hate" with "loving less" thus hits insurmountable contradictions and obstacles. It is best that we dismiss it. Jesus really requires a lot from us. He wants us to hate our siblings and progenitors and spouses. On the other hand, why should the VIP pass to Heaven's Backstage come cheap?
- Your catechism classes fail. The actual Bible takes precedence. This is what Skeptical Creation Science is all about! Examine your most beloved ideas against the evidence of the actual Bible and you'll be surprised.
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Dear sinner,
Let us go through this with Biblical Skepticism. It is the method that Creation Science uses when it encounters allegations that seem to be too good to be True™. Unfortunately, secular science has hijacked this method and, thus, it has become less and less popular among Bible Students. Are there data that do not yield support for your claim and, if there are, are they of such importance that your hypothesis should be dismissed?
The verse in question:
Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.- Your hypothesis: "Hate" means "love less".
As silly as it may seem, we have to turn to Greek here. Before American became the most important vernacular on Earth, God used Greek to communicate His Will. The word we're examining is μισέω. It occurs about 40 times in the New Testament and more in the LXX.
The root is a substantive μῖσος ("hate, hatred"). Let us see how this fits the verse we're about to discuss:
Hypothetical Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and love not his father less, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. (Εἴ τις ἔρχεται πρός με καὶ οὐ μισεῖ [active indicative present, third person singular] τὸν πατέρα αὐτοῦ καὶ τὴν μητέρα καὶ τὴν γυναῖκα καὶ τὰ τέκνα καὶ τοὺς ἀδελφοὺς καὶ τὰς ἀδελφάς, ἔτι τε καὶ τὴν ψυχὴν ἑαυτοῦ, οὐ δύναται εἶναί μου μαθητής.)
Less than what? Less than previously? It does not state "less than Jesus". Would God have been so ambiguous? Your claim is charming and alluring as it demands less from us than total obedience to Jesus would. Your version makes the verse extremely complicated and messy requiring thousands of pages of commantaries - which is exactly what the false Churches want to do. Next, we examine how well this alternative translation of yours fits some other occurrences of the verb μισέω.
Hebrews 1:9
Thou [referring to God] hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. (ἠγάπησας δικαιοσύνην καὶ ἐμίσησας [aorist active indicative, second person singular] ἀνομίαν· διὰ τοῦτο ἔχρισέν σε, ὁ Θεός, ὁ Θεός σου ἔλαιον ἀγαλλιάσεως παρὰ τοὺς μετόχους σου.)
Here we have an actual comparison between two things, so grammatically we can use your suggestion here better than in the Luke example. Let us see:
Hypothetical Hebrews 1:9
Thou hast loved righteousness, and loved iniquity less; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
No way! This would mean that God loves righteousness but He also loves iniquity (lawlessness) - He just loves iniquity less but still holds it dear. Perhaps the Gospels will save your hypothesis? Everyone loves John 3:16. That chapter also contains an example that we can examine.
John 3:20
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. (πᾶς γὰρ ὁ φαῦλα πράσσων μισεῖ [present active indicative, first person singular] τὸ φῶς καὶ οὐκ ἔρχεται πρὸς τὸ φῶς, ἵνα μὴ ἐλεγχθῇ τὰ ἔργα αὐτοῦ·)
Light, obviously, is Jesus (John 1:4).
Hypothetical John 3:20
For every one that doeth evil loveth the light less, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
This is exactly what the false prophets ( i.e., false Christian teachers) would like us to hear (Matthew 7:15)! Now we can see that we have reached the roots of this "alternative translation". This verse in its hypothetical form would tell us that the evil-doers actually love Jesus but they only love Him slightly less than regular Christians™. This is the doctrine that everyone "gets into Heaven" with some light entertaining Repentance followed by more evil-doing as "they love Jesus in their own way". This is the doctrine that makes the Bible unnecessary by distorting its message deliberately.
Finally, we can look at the LXX to see how well your suggestion fits the OT.
Jeremiah 44:4
Howbeit I sent unto you all my servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing that I hate. (καὶ ἀπέστειλα πρὸς ὑμᾶς τοὺς παῖδάς μου τοὺς προφήτας ὄρθρου καὶ ἀπέστειλα λέγων μὴ ποιήσητε τὸ πρᾶγμα τῆς μολύνσεως ταύτης ἧς ἐμίσησα [active indicative aorist, first person singular])
And the hypothetical Jeremiah 44:4
Howbeit I sent unto you all my servants the prophets, rising early and sending them, saying, Oh, do not this abominable thing that I love less.
This section begins by quoting God, so it is God speaking in verse Jeremiah 44:4. This would mean that God loves the abominable things but just less than nice things. While Isaiah 45:7 yields some support to this view, it is still a bit far-fetched, isn't it? Please keep in mind also that the translators of LXX used their own living vernacular to choose the suitable words for the Hebrew vocabulary, Hebrew that was not any more actively spoken at the time but that still was connected by an unbroken line to the days when Moses wrote down God's original musings.
Conclusions:- Your hypothesis of replacing "hate" with "loving less" thus hits insurmountable contradictions and obstacles. It is best that we dismiss it. Jesus really requires a lot from us. He wants us to hate our siblings and progenitors and spouses. On the other hand, why should the VIP pass to Heaven's Backstage come cheap?
- Your catechism classes fail. The actual Bible takes precedence. This is what Skeptical Creation Science is all about! Examine your most beloved ideas against the evidence of the actual Bible and you'll be surprised.
Yours in Christ,
Elmer
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Thank you for you aclaration professor. I got used to be refuted for you, and telling the truth, I enjoy it.
I only feel a little diminished in my intellectual capacities.
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Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did? -
07-19-2017, 10:28 AM
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Thank you for you aclaration professor. I got used to be refuted for you, and telling the truth, I enjoy it.
I only feel a little diminished in my intellectual capacities.
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I tend to think you are from South America. In that case, you capacities are not diminished, they were never there.
Once you have that clear, you can rejoice in knowing you have a chance! Read the Bible, become a True Christian and hate your mother, your father, your kids, your country, your race!
Love your neighbors, though.
1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first.
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Re: Do You Hate Your Mother As Much As Jesus Did? -
07-19-2017, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother Gonzalez
I tend to think you are from South America. In that case, you capacities are not diminished, they were never there.
Once you have that clear, you can rejoice in knowing you have a chance! Read the Bible, become a True Christian and hate your mother, your father, your kids, your country, your race!
Love your neighbors, though.
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And if my neighbour is my mother? An evident contradiction (another one from the Bible!).
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