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Exclamation Why the evolution, creation science, intelligent design debate is IMPORTANT! - 02-06-2014, 03:51 PM

People have asked me "Why do you make such a big deal about the debate between evolution and creationism/creation science/intelligent design? Why is it so important?"

Evolution is a narrative used to teach the key foundational beliefs of liberalism: that competition, distributed decision making, diversity, and perpetual, pragmatic innovation result in lively abundance.

This is a lie, because the Bible teaches us that the Earth's natural abundance was created by a heavenly command economy, following one straight and narrow path (Matthew 7:13-14, Luke 13:23-24), in which there is one ancient truth that cannot be updated and should not even be questioned (Matthew 12:25, Luke 11:17).

Thus if we believe evolution, we would also have to believe in markets, democracy, fair courts, and science. Four institutions that are completely contrary to the model for society provided by the Bible. That's important!

What the evolution/creationism/creation science/intelligent design debate is NOT about

True Christians(™) spend a lot of time trying to make it look like there's a scientific debate on as to whether creationism or evolution is the truth. I know pretending to be a smartypants and using all the fancy words is fun, but you're mostly wasting your time.

The audience doesn't care what the truth is. The debate is over which narrative provides a better message for our civilization. Which story has a better moral for the kids.

Now, on the positive side, evolutionists are also wasting time on this debate, and I guess that's why we keep it up. It also shows how out of touch they are, as they do the equivalent of saying that Aesop's fables are unscientific because animals don't talk. It wins points for our side when our opponents miss the point entirely.

But when you're wrestling with someone who has gone off track, if you don't keep an eye on the bigger picture, you'll go off track with them.

What the evolution/creationism/creation science/intelligent design debate IS about

Bruce Lincoln defines myth as "ideology in narrative form….They are used to convey religious or idealized experience, to establish behavioral models, and to teach."

So, the real debate is which creation narrative is a better "ideology in narrative form" for our civilization. Which provides the better "behaviour models"?

Which story has a better moral?

Story #1: There is a unelected totalitarian dictator - or maybe it's an unelected totalitarian oligarchy (they're secretive in heaven), that runs the universe as an arbitrary command economy. The dictatorship makes the trains run on time so to speak, every little detail of the natural world is micromanaged, and even when something horrible happens that's because the ends justify the means. The ends are secret, of course. When this dictator is displeased, he kills, maims and tortures children, pregnant women, and little kittens in the general vicinity of what displeases him (Unless your name is Noah.) And you, helpless peon, your job is to love him for it, to fear him, to flatter him, and to beg for mercy.

Story #2: The universe is a system of laws which are always enforced. The system seems to be too disorganized, too complex, too competitive, too individualistic, too divisive to actually work….And yet it does. Within this system, creatures willing to work hard and make wise decisions have survived, prospered, and passed on their successful innovations to their children. With nothing more than hard work and wise decisions, nature - of which we should be proud to call ourselves a part of - has created abundance and glory.

I don't need to tell you which one describes enlightenment liberalism and which one is Biblical Literalism, right?

The enlightenment's 300-year Riech.

In the good old days of the early to mid 1600s, People lived moral, rustic, Biblical lives, as people had for 5700 years.

Then the liberal rein of terror, called "the enlightenment", started tearing down the Biblical power structure, one piece at a time.

They socialized military force, replacing private military contractors with government militaries under civilian control (see how they ALWAYS start with gun-grabbing?)

They savagely attacked guilds and monopoly corporations (for example, they protested a tax break for a corporation by vandalizing an Honorable East India Company ship's contents, in a crime remembered as "The Boston Tea Party" - NOT to be confused with the REAL Tea Party!). They then replaced then with free markets, which are run by jews who tempt Christians with hollywood smut and decadence (drugs, alcohol, sex toys, gambling, condoms, RPGs, pornography, video games, prostitution, Harry Potter etc. etc.)

They destroyed Biblical authority, and authority in general, replacing it with science. According to science, the opinion of any uppity gutter-trash can be more correct than the opinion of a CEO or even Almighty God, if the uppity trash has a peer-reviewed theory made of flawless logic and lots of empirical evidence. Employs academics at universities.

They destroyed inquisitions and arbitrary decisions at the lord's court. They replace them with a court system filled with lawyers, uppity jews who second-guess the police and allow criminals to go free due to "lack of evidence" (where does the word "evidence" ever appear in the Bible?). They allow uppity women to divorce and uppity trash to sue corporations.

They destroyed aristocracy, insisting on "equality under the law", a code-word for "force our best and brightest job-creators to have the same rights as the lowest gutter-trash." They attacked inheritance and insisted on incentive-destroying "social mobility", a phenomenon found only in liberal blue states. See also: What the Bible says about sins of the fathers.

They replaced Kings - the only political system approved of by the Bible - with Democratic mob-rule. Now we are ruled by politicians, who pander to the masses and buy votes by looting the affluent. See: what Christians believe about Democracy.

The scientists confess to their agenda

Scientist David Brin says :
"As a mechanism for drawing order out of chaos, evolution has no known peer. This natural process produced the vivid and wonderful creatures we see around us, as well as bringing into existence beings like us, capable of contemplating the universe and ourselves. True, the concept of evolution draws little warmth from the heart, even from those who appreciate its copious creativity, because of the inevitable image it evokes -- relentless competition by tooth and claw. But recent studies have shown that the general principle goes far beyond mere "survival of the fittest."
[…]
...evolution is how species on Earth became complex, adept and adaptable over time, arriving somehow at solutions that are 'correct' for a given ecological time and place. So it should not be surprising that civilization stumbled into problem-solving techniques that emulate nature's….
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You can see the parallel between evolution and our civilization's four great testing grounds -- our accountability arenas -- science, democracy, courts and markets
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In the market system, clearly, it is saleable goods and services. In science it is models that enhance our understanding of the world around us. In democracy -- policies and practical ways to balance individual needs and living as a member of a community. In the justice system, beyond winners and losers, it is also the law itself that evolves."

Consider four marvels of our age -- science, democracy, the justice system and fair markets. In each case the participants (scientists, litigants, politicians and capitalists) are driven by selfish goals. That won't change; not till we redefine human nature. But for years, rules have been fine-tuned in each of these fields of endeavor, to reduce cheating and let quality or truth win much of the time. By harnessing human competitiveness, instead of suppressing it, these "accountability arenas" nourished much of our unprecedented wealth and freedom.

The four arenas aren't always fair or efficient! A good theory, law or commercial product may flounder, or else face many trials before prevailing. But remember that organic systems needn't be efficient, only robust. Likewise, our core institutions have to keep functioning despite individual incompetence, or the most everlasting human temptation-- to cheat. In achieving this, the four old accountability arenas have done pretty well by us, so far.

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Elections, courtrooms, retail stores and scientific conferences all provide fierce testing grounds, where adversaries come together to have it out... and where civilization ultimately profits from their passion and hard work.

This process may not be entirely nice. But it is the best way we ever found to learn, through fair competition, who may be right and who is wrong.
http://www.davidbrin.com/disputation....0cCLhyMR.dpuf

Science/liberalism is a foreign influence

While we think of science, markets, democracy and courts as "Western" phenomena, they are actually universal, at home in any culture. Therefore liberalism is NOT western. Therefore liberalism is a FOREIGN INFLUENCE.

Ahmed Zewail, the winner of the 1999 Nobel Prize in chemistry, writes:
"79% of respondents said that what they most admire about the United States is its leadership in science and technology....science embodies the core values of what the American founders called “the rights of man” as set forth in the US Constitution:

Freedom of thought and speech, which are essential to creative advancement in the sciences; and the commitment to equality of opportunity, because scientific achievement is blind to ethnicity, race or cultural background.''
Conclusion: liberal institutions and our replacement for them:

We have to destroy all four institutions, but they are mutulally-reinforcing, so together they are strong. We have to peel each one away, one at a time, starting with the weakest link. Because everybody loves ganging up on nerds, science is the most vulnerable one.

Markets: The most obvious parallel to evolution, markets produce hollywood pornography and decadence.
Replace with: a command-economy of one or a few corporations, controlled by decadence-hating Christians.

Courts: Employ lawyers and/or jews, let negros loose on technicalities, allow women to divorce and uppity people to sue corporations.
Replace with: Just send crooks straight to death row, let civil suits be arbitrarily settled by a True Christian judge following the example of King Solomon. (1 Kings 3:16-28)

Science: Academics at universities constantly attacking the Bible with evolutionism, global warming, vaccines, claims that gays are "natural", heliocentricism, "masturbation is harmless", lightning rods, etc. etc. etc.
Replace with: Biblical authority, acceptance that what the (True Christian) authority says is the truth.

Democracy: Causes the fall of civilization as the looters vote for politicians to loot the wealthy. Because this has happened to every democracy ever I don't need to provide examples. The Bible warned us about majority rule: Matthew 7:13-14, Luke 13:23-24.
Replace with: Biblical-style kings, supported by an old-south-style Christian aristocracy (a few Saudis will be permitted). You could also call it a "theocracy" or "military dictatorship", there will be no separation between religious, economic, and military power. Every church leader will be wealthy and every wealthy person will have private security contractors.

Sound far-fetched? It's already happened, Joseph Stalin one of the world's most pro-order, pro-military, pro-authority, anti-liberal heroes, who ran the government like a business, and the entire economy like one corporation. So it's no surprise he dealt with evolutionist academics in a very Biblical way:

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Originally Posted by wikipedia: Lysenkoism

with Stalin's approval, many geneticists were executed (including Isaak Agol, Solomon Levit, Grigorii Levitskii, Georgii Karpechenko and Georgii Nadson) or sent to labor camps. The famous Soviet geneticist Nikolai Vavilov was arrested in 1940 and died in prison in 1943. Hermann Joseph Muller (and his teachings about genetics) was criticized as a bourgeois, capitalist, imperialist, and promoting fascism so he left the USSR...

In 1948, genetics was officially declared "a bourgeois pseudoscience"; all geneticists were fired from their jobs (some were also arrested), and all genetic research was discontinued.


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Default Re: Why the evolution, creation science, intelligent design debate is IMPORTANT! - 02-07-2014, 03:21 AM

Praise the LORD for such exquisite presentation. That should teach those heathens a thing or two.

On reading it I think that you might have missed a word in the following section (remaining).

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They replaced Kings - the only REMAINING political system approved of by the Bible - with Democratic mob-rule. Now we are ruled by politicians, who pander to the masses and buy votes by looting the affluent. See: what Christians believe about Democracy.

In fact it had been millennia since GOD approved anything else, but it is an interesting point because it might help us bring home some misplaced brothers.

The scripture part is, of course, Judges 21:25

In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

And the misled brothers would be libertarians. What they clearly miss are two things:

1- Those Judges were both warriors and prophets whom GOD micromanaged
2- If any part of HIS people went astray GOD was not pleased

God says over and over again ― keep the Law, all facets of it and no one will bother you. You will live in peace in your land. You will prosper, and not only that, the whole world will come to learn from you and you will be a light to the nations.

But if you don't, a big fist will not come out of heaven and swat you, because God acts mainly in history. What will happen instead is a physical enemy will appear or a plague will hit the land, and all will suffer. These negative events always served as wake-up call and would only intensify if ignored until they reached the level where they were impossible to ignore.

So the libertarian fallacy is exposed, they cannot condone the abominations that their wishful thinking demands they tolerate on others. IF any such model is to work EVERY leader has to smite those that disobey.

Hope you agree that this further clarification on viewpoints might be useful for the education of those that seek us for clarity.

As for the points you have treated they are clear as a midday sun and should shame the secular mockers that currently threaten to cause GOD's wrath on us.

PRAISE THE LORD!

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Default Re: Why the evolution, creation science, intelligent design debate is IMPORTANT! - 02-07-2014, 04:19 AM

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Judges 21:25

In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.
Well, I guess some people would define anarchy as a "political system", but I don't. Anyway, the anarchy of Judges 21 is not held up as a positive model, but one to be avoided:

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"There is disobedience all over the place in this account. Consequently, the author pens these disturbing words in 17:6: “In those days there was no king in Israel; every man did what was right in his own eyes.” This is the key verse of the Book of Judges. https://bible.org/seriespage/worse-worst-judges-17-21
Ignore the rest of the article, it goes on to claim that "king" doesn't mean "king" but "God" - I think if God wanted to write "God" He would have written "God" instead of something else! Thus a bit of "interpretation" and talk of "metaphors" and "poetry" strips the verse of all political meaning, and suddenly the Bible has nothing bad to say about anarchy! This is why Biblical literalism is our only defence against people using God as their "Yes-man" and claiming the Bible says whatever they want it to say.

Note that Libertarians are not anarchists. Libertarians oppose governments because governments place limits on private authority. Since the difference between a king and a CEO with no limits on his authority is pretty much superficial (crowns vs ties) I would describe the chaos in Judges as anarchy rather than libertarianism in action.


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