[Just Chris]

I have never looked at it like. I'm thankful that you took the time to here me out and actually discuss these topics with me. It's my first day on this forum and many have been arguing more instead of actually being civil. I thank you for your wisdom and guidance Elmer G White. Also I never stated that secular law takes precedence over God's law. If you re-read what I wrote I stated that innocent until proven guilty was apart of God's will since the passages of Romans 13 states that God chooses those who rule the land. By that I Cleary said that God's word is above laws of man because the law's of man would be his will.

[Just Chris]

Due to your guidance though I see I was wrong and I am real man and as we all know a real man admits to his faults and wrong doings. Thanks for helping me see the light on these matters. I hope I meet others like you who are to speak in a more civil matter, instead of using nothing but negativity as other have used

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

I'm sympathetic with this rush to judgment stuff - and Lord knows the MSM is doing it all the time.

I wouldn't put it past some homers that are into B&D with a mooselimb and Obama has certainly been pushing these mooslimbs on just about everyone. Despite all this Romans 13 stuff, everyone has the right to self defense - but how did he get that AR-15 into the club without being noticed?

Upon reflection, I'm not buying it. It's time that we stood up to this and deport 100,000 mooselimbs every time something like this happens. If there really are "peaceful" mooselimbs (which I doubt) let them start policing their own.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Chris-the-Knuckle-Head

Also most people will be confused about the bible due to the contradictions in it, after all how can we simple minded imperfect beings hope to fully understand the Holy Lord himself. His Devine wisdom is incomprehensible to us. I'm sure all of us can agree on that. The other problem for most is trying to figure out if the bible is literal or allegorical. It might be a combination of both for all we know. The only one who knows for sure is the Lord himself for it is his words and not our own

Most people are confused about the Bible because they do not have faith. To the unregenerated soul, there is no sense in it. To the regenerated soul, there is no confusion whatsoever. It is God's Divine Word, and it really is magnificent. The Bible tells us as much (1 Corinthians 1:18). The very fact that it confuses you is a Divine Warning that you are in mortal peril because your faith is not genuine. It is a faith born from a need to understand, which is not faith at all, but knowledge. With knowledge, one needs no faith. With faith, one can happily ignore knowledge.

Originally Posted by Chris-the-Knuckle-Head

Also I do not agree with all law's, no one does, but those that are fair to all are the law's I will accept.

So you would not, for example, follow the laws of Iran if you found yourself stuck there?

Originally Posted by Chris-the-Knuckle-Head

Also I never stated that secular law takes precedence over God's law.

You said you should follow the law in Iran if you are there. The law in Iran denies Jesus as Christ. According to your own argument, while this would take precedence over God's law, it would be right to comply.

Originally Posted by Chris-the-Knuckle-Head

By that I Cleary said that God's word is above laws of man because the law's of man would be his will.

Like in Iran? Saudi Arabia? China?

This is God's will? To confuse and confound mankind by placing in authority over the masses, those who would legislate the promotion and privilege of religious beliefs that deny the Saving Grace of Christ?