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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
06-21-2014, 04:58 AM
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If god has given me free will, then I find it ironic that he would punish me for using said free will...
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Ironic? Not really. Funnier? Definitely.
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to ask questions he cannot provide a decent answer for...
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...As for the hell thing, the reason I do not have to worry about it is because it does not exist. There is no evidence*, whatsoever that hell exists, same thing for heaven.
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*You mean proof, as there's plenty of evidence on both sides
But equally, there's no proof it doesn't.
What's your position on Pascal's Wager, then?
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Pascal's Wager is an argument in apologetic philosophy which was devised by the seventeenth-century French philosopher, mathematician, and physicist Blaise Pascal (1623–1662). It posits that humans all bet with their lives either that God exists or does not exist. Given the possibility that God actually does exist and assuming an infinite gain or loss associated with belief or unbelief in said God (as represented by an eternity in heaven or hell), a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.)...more here
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
06-21-2014, 05:27 AM
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What's your position on Pascal's Wager, then?
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You know, that is a VERY interesting question. I'll try to answer it as best I can.
I try to live a good life, but that's not because I am afraid of being punished by god (assuming he exists), but because I simply want to live a good life. I do good things (like helping others) because I like how it feels and because I like helping others. I am not doing it out of fear or some "better safe than sorry" idea.
In fact, if you think about it, living a good life in accordance to your religion raises a question. Do you do good because you want to do good, or because you are afraid of what might happen if you don't do good deeds? If you do good things because you are afraid/do not want to anger god, then I doubt your sincerity.
Basically, I live my life in accordance to my moral code and what my parents have taught me. I am not concerned about whether or not some deity will be angered by it. In fact, if said deity has nothing better to do than follow every tiny aspect of my life, then that deity should find a hobby.
I do good things because I want to, not because I am afraid of being punished.
Hopefully this will answer your question.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
06-21-2014, 05:42 AM
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You know, that is a VERY interesting question. I'll try to answer it as best I can.
I try to live a good life, but that's not because I am afraid of being punished by god (assuming he exists), but because I simply want to live a good life. I do good things (like helping others) because I like how it feels and because I like helping others. I am not doing it out of fear or some "better safe than sorry" idea.
In fact, if you think about it, living a good life in accordance to your religion raises a question. Do you do good because you want to do good, or because you are afraid of what might happen if you don't do good deeds? If you do good things because you are afraid/do not want to anger god, then I doubt your sincerity.
Basically, I live my life in accordance to my moral code and what my parents have taught me. I am not concerned about whether or not some deity will be angered by it. In fact, if said deity has nothing better to do than follow every tiny aspect of my life, then that deity should find a hobby.
I do good things because I want to, not because I am afraid of being punished.
Hopefully this will answer your question.
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The answer to your question can be found HERE.
Being "nice" isn't going to safe you from eternal hellfire. It's just not that simple.
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
06-21-2014, 05:54 AM
You seem to be under the impression that I am doing it in hopes that being nice will save me from hell.
As I have mentioned in my post, that is not true.
I do good things because I want to. I do not need any other reason. I don't need a bogey man who threatens me or a carrot dangling in front of me. I am not like you. I can make my own decisions.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
06-21-2014, 05:59 AM
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You seem to be under the impression that I am doing it in hopes that being nice will save me from hell.
As I have mentioned in my post, that is not true.
I do good things because I want to. I do not need any other reason. I don't need a bogey man who threatens me or a carrot dangling in front of me. I am not like you. I can make my own decisions.
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So, the person who considers skinning children alive thinks THAT is good. Are you OK with his actions? Some people believe that their daughters should have their genitals mutilated. Are you cool with that? I mean, they think it's OK, so it must be OK (by your definition), right?
You're sick. You might want to look up moral relativism.
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06-21-2014, 06:04 AM
Of course, I do not think that's okay. Hurting others is never okay. That's why we have laws.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
06-21-2014, 06:06 AM
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Of course, I do not think that's okay. Hurting others is never okay. That's why we have laws.
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The only laws that matter are God's Laws.
Let me explain by telling you a true story taken right out of the Holy Bible.
Under God's direction, Moses' army defeated the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive. When Moses learns that they left some live, he angrily says: "Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." So they went back and did as Moses (and presumably God) instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 virgins --captive girl children virgins! ---- Numbers 31:1-54
Glory!
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
06-21-2014, 06:08 AM
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Of course, I do not think that's okay. Hurting others is never okay. That's why we have laws.
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Hello Scorch.
Most laws in nice countries are based on Judeo-Christian morals you can thank Jesus for that He would probably appreciate it.
Thank you.
Rusty
Psalms 116:6 The LORD preserveth the simple: I was brought low, and he helped me.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
06-21-2014, 06:10 AM
Thankfully, reasonable people can see that the said example of god's law is utter BS.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
06-21-2014, 06:19 AM
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Hello Scorch.
Most laws in nice countries are based on Judeo-Christian morals you can thank Jesus for that He would probably appreciate it.
Thank you.
Rusty
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As far as I know, most of Western civilization uses laws that were created by Romans.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
06-21-2014, 06:19 AM
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Thankfully, reasonable people can see that the said example of god's law is utter BS.
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Hello Scorch.
If you do not like the laws in Western countries you should move to Yemen you can do anything you like there I hope you are small arms qualified.
Thank you.
Rusty
Psalms 116:6 The LORD preserveth the simple: I was brought low, and he helped me.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
06-21-2014, 06:25 AM
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Hello Scorch.
If you do not like the laws in Western countries you should move to Yemen you can do anything you like there I hope you are small arms qualified.
Thank you.
Rusty
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Uhhh .... riiiight.
Are you talking to me, or am I missing something, since I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
06-21-2014, 06:30 AM
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Uhhh .... riiiight.
Are you talking to me, or am I missing something, since I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Hello Scorch.
You seem to not like laws based on the moral code as laid out in the King James Version Bible and so I am giving you suggestions to avoid them I am only trying to help please do not be angry with me.
Thank you.
Rusty
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
06-21-2014, 08:38 AM
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Riiiiiight, and religion has nothing, whatsoever to do with the problems we face today.
Besides, considering that atheists are often in minority, especially in the US, I am impressed by our ability to influence the world (assuming we go by your words).
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It just takes one atheist, Charkes Darwin for example, to undo all the progress made over centuries.
If you listen to liberal propaganda you will hear all about anthropogenic global warming. There is just so much wrong with that but notice the word anthropogenic? That means man-made. No doubt leftie propaganda outlets such as NPR will provide more details for you but the point is that by the secularist standards of false science—the standard you promote—these problems are caused by humans not by God.
So no, religion has nothing whatsoever to do with the problems you and your ilk claim we face today, indeed if sound Biblical doctrine had been adhered to the data you misinterpret would not even exist.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
06-21-2014, 04:02 PM
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It just takes one atheist, Charkes Darwin for example, to undo all the progress made over centuries.
If you listen to liberal propaganda you will hear all about anthropogenic global warming. There is just so much wrong with that but notice the word anthropogenic? That means man-made. No doubt leftie propaganda outlets such as NPR will provide more details for you but the point is that by the secularist standards of false science—the standard you promote—these problems are caused by humans not by God.
So no, religion has nothing whatsoever to do with the problems you and your ilk claim we face today, indeed if sound Biblical doctrine had been adhered to the data you misinterpret would not even exist.
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Yeah, if we followed the bible, we would still be living in mud huts, worshiping an angry, jealous desert god who doesn't like it when people as questions.
It is because of science that you, people, are free to spout your propaganda and bronze age superstition. And though I am a very tolerant guy, I find it more than upsetting when I hear religious people like you, enjoying all the fruits science has given you (internet, medicine, electricity, the infrastructure which forms the foundation of civilization), yet still work against it.
You promote your outdated thinking and scream at others who seek answers to questions you do not like. You take all the benefits the science has given us, and in return, you do your best to undermine it.
To me, that is the definition of evil. Your hypocrisy is so childish it's not even funny.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
06-21-2014, 04:15 PM
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Yeah, if we followed the bible, we would still be living in mud huts, worshiping an angry, jealous desert god who doesn't like it when people as questions.
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Actually we DO follow the Holy Bible, every word of it, and we are Blessed by Jesus as a result. I live on an estate in Freehold. It has 8 bedrooms and 12 bathrooms, an indoor olympic-sized pool, and a vast network of "rec rooms" in the basement. All provided by God. Praise His name!
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The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness: according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.
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You could be similarly Blessed if you would open your heart and ask Jesus to come in.
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
06-21-2014, 09:47 PM
The true foundation of civilization is adherence to God's laws.
You can talk fast all you want and throw out false statement after lie after blasphemy, but you can never alter the truth.
Also, you talk like a Jesuit, African. Are you a victim of one of their schools? I know you are not one yourself, because they always claim to be Christians.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
06-21-2014, 10:39 PM
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The true foundation of civilization is adherence to God's laws.
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Thank you for that reassurance Mr Moss. Someone was going on about the internet and I've searched The Scriptures but can't find any prohibition involving magnets and wire. And they did have metals technology:
Genesis 4:22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah. KJV
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
06-30-2014, 03:28 PM
Scientific PROOF of God found!
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The Language in the “Junk DNA”, the DNA that scientists had for years discarded as useless, was indistinguishable from ancient Aramaic. Even more amazingly, as linguists started to translate the code within the human genome, they found that parts of the script it contained were at times remarkably close in composition to verse found in the bible. And at times contained direct biblical quotes.
On the human gene PYGB, Phosporomylase Glycogen, a non-coding transposon, holds a linguistic sequence that translates as “At first break of day, God formed sky and land.” This bears a stunning similarity to Gen 1:1 “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.” Gene Bmp3 has a Retrotransposon sequence which translates to the well-known 1 Cor 6:19 “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own.” This is repeated over and over throughout the entire sequence of human DNA: embedded equivalent genetic code of ancient Aramaic that seems to translate as the word of god to his people.
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Re: PROOF God is REAL! -
07-23-2014, 07:38 PM
God is Very very Real.
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