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Default Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT - 07-04-2010, 08:39 PM

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I get the impression that you feel if you string a bunch of words together, you're clever. However, someone seems to have forgotten to tell you that those words, once strung together, must make some sort of coherent sense.
Who're you referring/replying to? There's a handy quoting-function you can use in order to avoid confusion. :3

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Amazing how many atheists who claim that God doesn't exist also claim that He talks to him. I guess that's proof that atheism is a form of mental disease, which of course we know is caused by demons.
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So according to your logic, if I stand behind a hill and watch someone climb to the top from the opposite site, then the only explanation is that the hill has the form of a sphere. That's just absurd.

When we say "the earth is flat", we don't mean that it's perfectly flat like a mirror: it has bumps and such in it.


On the contrary, I just refuted your argument on purely logical grounds. You are the one trying to play the race card here.


I haven't told you anything. I'm just sitting here in bewildered puzzlement as you are fighting your own shadow, shouting "who's the tough guy now, HUH!!?!"

Your trouble is with God, not with us. You should surrender to God, not to us. And you should read the entire KJV 1611 Bible before making any statement about the Bible. Do your homework and then maybe you'll start making sense.


That's a tired old atheist argument and it's illogical.

An atheist, by definition, rejects all deities. A theist, in contrast, follows a deity. A True Christian follows the right deity.

Just because people have imaginary friends does not invalidate God.
No, please don't make the apple I'm describing into a pear, that's usually not how a discussion progresses. You're forming what's usually called a "straw man argument" which I assure you is (in my subjective view) a logical fallacy. It might also be worth noting that my example is an example which assumes the dichotomy of flat versus oblate spheroid when we're on the topic of the general shape of the earth.

I cannot have ill feelings towards something that does not exist, you however (I presume) do exist and you have the ability to affect your surroundings.

Your affection for logical fallacies is what marvels me though, the point is that you're Atheist about any kind of God except one, one which is unique to you (a personal God, since you're an arbitrarily limited human). I'm Atheist about all Gods. While I'm presenting you with Atheism concerning each and every particular God, you're creating another poorly fabricated straw man telling me that Atheism can only be seen in the complete and grand sense.

If you want another logical fallacy on your side you can always try to use Pascal's Wager.

Oh, a mirror is not perfectly flat either. ;3
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Default Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT - 07-04-2010, 08:54 PM

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[...]No, please don't make the apple I'm describing into a pear, that's usually not how a discussion progresses. You're forming what's usually called a "straw man argument" [...] I'm Atheist about all Gods. [...]
So-called atheist 'thinkers' (and I use the term very loosely) are all self deluding idiots.

Everyone of them subscribes to the belief that "We can know nothing for certain, for all we have is our perception."

That being the case, ALL atheists MUST concede the slightest possibility of there being a god.

This in its turn leads to the irrefutable conclusion that atheists actually accept the possibility of the Divine and thus the supernatural powers of a God.

See, son, you think there might be a god too. You're just one step away from accepting Jesus.

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Default Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT - 07-04-2010, 09:02 PM

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Default Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT - 07-04-2010, 09:11 PM

Wow that jump theory of yours is one of the funniest things I have ever read!

Apparently you have not heard of anything called relative speed.

So, discredit this if you will: You are standing inside a car travelling at 30 feet per second and you jump. Let us assume that your jump lasts for 1 second just to make it easy. According to your theory, you would then land 30 feet behind the car.


As for the blow theory, you are kind of disproving your own arguement there. The paper falls off the baloon because the earth's gravity is higher than the gravity of the balloon. But that's not the funniest thing actually. You are claiming people in Australia would fall off, as if Australia was on the botton of the sphere, and Alaska on the top of the sphere. How come we can't view, for instance, Boulder, Colorado to be at the very bottom of the sphere. I mean, who are you to say that Australia, relative to the entire universe, is pointing downwards?

Let's say we're standing on a ship on a completely still day in the middle of the ocean, if the earth was flat, we would have unlimited view in all directions right? Why do the ships disappear as they move over the horizon? Why don't they fall off, seeing as the earth is flat and if they go below sea level, the ship must surely be sinking or falling off the edge?
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Default Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT - 07-04-2010, 09:22 PM

Just want to add in something with the blow theory here: You don't seem to understand the difference between mass and volume. The balloon, relative to it's size, is NOT that much greater in MASS than the tiny piece of paper if you look at it in cubic inch per cubic inch. You see, mass is the WEIGHT of and object, VOLUME is the size. Since the volume of the balloon is made up of 99% air, it will not be lighter than your piece of paper. But you need to understand the difference between MASS and VOLUME to understand this. And sadly, the gravity on earth is much greater than anything you can actually manufacture at home here. Why? Because the objects you are using to manufacture those items are objects already on our planet, so unless you use 5.0000000000001% of the earths material to make something to prove this experiment, the result will always end in a failure. Not really gonna bother explaining the simple physics behind this since you will probably dismiss it as mumbo jumbo.

Well, that's my view anyways, feel free to keep moving backwards towards the dark ages though.
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Default Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT - 07-04-2010, 09:24 PM

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So-called atheist 'thinkers' (and I use the term very loosely) are all self deluding idiots.

Everyone of them subscribes to the belief that "We can know nothing for certain, for all we have is our perception."

That being the case, ALL atheists MUST concede the slightest possibility of there being a god.

This in its turn leads to the irrefutable conclusion that atheists actually accept the possibility of the Divine and thus the supernatural powers of a God.

See, son, you think there might be a god too. You're just one step away from accepting Jesus.

My advice, stop smoking the dope - it makes you think you have the answers, only God has them.
There are some instances where deductive reasoning is very accurate, I'll however inform you this is not one of those cases.

I can honestly (this time) claim that I'm the equivalent of a God/deity. I'm literally omnipotent and I know everything there is to know. I'm omnipotent in the totalitarian subjective sense that anything I think is real IS in fact real - and since I can't know more or less than I know now at the moment, I know everything there is to know.

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An atheist is someone who believes in no gods. We believe in the one and only God. The two couldn't be more different, especially since the former is damned, and the latter is Saved©.
You're committing yourself to the same logical fallacy yet again. I'm afraid I've not heard of a decent course for literature-comprehension at this point in life, I can however tell that you're in dire need of such education (amongst all other).

Very well, I'll ignore it this time. A theist is someone who (in a broad sense) believes in at least one deity. So an Atheist is someone who lacks the belief in at least one deity. The point I was making is that I'm Atheist about all deities while you're Atheist about most of them. :3

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There is only one God, you idiot.
If I ask you: "Which car are you referring to?", the answer: "There's only one car." is not giving me any additional information since from my point of view there are countless imaginary cars. If you're refusing to lead the discussion anywhere; I don't see any point to your replies other than some disgusting self-satisfaction I assume you're used to.

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Default Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT - 07-04-2010, 09:27 PM

Have no idea how I can edit my posts on this forum, noticed I wrote something wrong there:

"Since the volume of the balloon is made up of 99% air, it will not be lighter than your piece of paper."

It's supposed to be:

Since the volume of the balloon is made up of 99% air, it WILL be lighter than your piece of paper, cubic inch by cubich inc.
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Mr Critters,

I find it ludicrous that someone would be standing up in a car in the first place. It is not only highly dangerous but also quite an immature and silly thing to do.

Secondly, could you please show some courtesy and read THIS! prior to making any more posts. When you have done that, please head over to the INTRODUCTION FORUM and introduce yourself in a proper manner.

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Default Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT - 07-04-2010, 10:08 PM

Wether or not you find it ludicrous or "immature and silly" is completely irrelevant to the point here.

If not a car, then try jumping on an airplance travelling 10 times faster. According to the theory, the person jumping will end up several hundred feet behind the plane when he lands.
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Wether or not you find it ludicrous or "immature and silly" is completely irrelevant to the point here.

If not a car, then try jumping on an airplance travelling 10 times faster. According to the theory, the person jumping will end up several hundred feet behind the plane when he lands.
Are you rude and ignorant? INTRODUCTION FORUM is there for a reason. USE IT!

Also, no one said aircraft cannot fly fast as they do when you fly across the world. That however does not take away from the fact of earth being flat.

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Mr Critters,

I find it ludicrous that someone would be standing up in a car in the first place. It is not only highly dangerous but also quite an immature and silly thing to do.

Secondly, could you please show some courtesy and read THIS! prior to making any more posts. When you have done that, please head over to the INTRODUCTION FORUM and introduce yourself in a proper manner.

Thank you for your time.

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Whether something is ludicrous or not has no bearing on the value of truth. If we'd all just dismiss things that could challenge our views by making them out to be laughable and silly; I can assure you our world would be an arbitrarily darker place.

How do you know "Critters" isn't simply another account he/she made in order to more freely discuss things with you people? Asking him/her to fabricate a lie or to reveal his or her identity would be counterproductive.

Even if we assume the first premise is false; it still doesn't matter since it won't help at all unless his/her visit is a very long one.

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(...) 5.0000000000001% of the earths material to make something to prove this experiment, the result will always end in a failure. (...)
I'm however quite interested. I know some basic formulas for gravitational influence and (unfortunately only) circulative rotation so I might understand you. I have not found any way to send you a personal message yet so I apologize for asking you of this here even after you've stated it's most likely a waste of time. However, unlike most people here: I'm interested in acquiring knowledge about myself and my surroundings - and I find your information tantalizing. :3
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Default Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT - 07-04-2010, 10:26 PM

I suggest you read the opening post of this thread. This was in response to his claim that the earth is not moving. I adress the issue of the earth being flat further down in my post. I think you are missing the point of my jumping suggestion completely, it is, once again, in response to the first part of his thread, the "1. JUMP!" part.

And I know that your first instinct when faced with something you can not answer or dismiss directly is to try to derail the topic into something else, sure I'll use the introductions forum if I find it necessary, I would still like a proper reply to my post instead of insults though.
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Default Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT - 07-04-2010, 10:31 PM

Sorry Plepple, I still can't see any way to edit my posts in this forum, would be easier and cleaner than making two since I didn't see your response until I was already writing my own.

Anyways, what question would you like answered? Mind you, I am in no respect an expert on gravitational physics
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Hmmm... it must be different in Australia. Here the wind blows from time to time - not all the time.
What with all their nonsense about time zones, the Austrians probably think the wind blows from 3 o'clock to 7 o'clock.
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Nice try. Let's pretend you are inside a train standing in the aisle, but someone has removed the roof. Are you trying to say that now, all the sudden, if you were to jump you would slam into the back of the train just because the roof was removed? That is evidence you can see with your own eyes.
Fine, give me a train with no roof, someone to drive it for me and a length of empty track to run it on, and I'll be happy to accept your challenge. If you refuse to provide me with this, then it's not something I can see with my own eyes.
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And sadly, the gravity on earth is much greater than anything you can actually manufacture at home here. Why? Because the objects you are using to manufacture those items are objects already on our planet, so unless you use 5.0000000000001% of the earths material to make something to prove this experiment, the result will always end in a failure.
So, if I test your theory it will always fail, but it's definitely right? That's basically what you're saying here.
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If I ask you: "Which car are you referring to?", the answer: "There's only one car." is not giving me any additional information since from my point of view there are countless imaginary cars.
Son, I realise your atheist life is empty and meaningless, but you really need to cut down on the psychedelics.
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Whether something is ludicrous or not has no bearing on the value of truth. If we'd all just dismiss things that could challenge our views by making them out to be laughable and silly; I can assure you our world would be an arbitrarily darker place.
No it wouldn't. That's a ridiculous thing to say.
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No, it would be completely productive, because it would force the Satanist to admit that they're a liar. Of course, we already know they're lying about the earth, but it would be good to see them admit it.


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Default Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT - 07-04-2010, 10:40 PM

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Sorry Plepple, I still can't see any way to edit my posts in this forum, would be easier and cleaner than making two since I didn't see your response until I was already writing my own.

Anyways, what question would you like answered? Mind you, I am in no respect an expert on gravitational physics
No worries, I don't know how either. I'm just keeping another tab open with the same page and updating it just when I'm done with my post. If there's something I want to reply to I just copy my text and go back to add another quote.

I'm also by no means an expert, I've only finished some very basic courses regarding physics, I'm however very interested in these type of things. Do you have a link or something regarding how massive an object must be to give the effects of what you described before? Do you use ~5% of earth's material or just the equivalent from elsewhere? :3
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Default Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT - 07-04-2010, 10:50 PM

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So, if I test your theory it will always fail, but it's definitely right? That's basically what you're saying here.
No. What I am saying is that the test he suggests is not scientifically correct, or even logically correct. Unless you manage to create an object with a gravitational pull that surpasses that of the Earth itself, the result will always be that the piece of paper falls down to the Earth due it's greater gravity. And the quote from Plebble on what I said is actually not completely true. You would not need 50.00000001% of the Earth's mass. You would simply need an object of a density and mass that creates a gravitational pull surpassing that of the earth itself, ie ~9.81 meters per second. A balloon, which is made up of air, clearly does not possess the necessary density and the sheer mass required to overcome the gravitional acceleration of our entire planet.

Side note to noone in particular: If such a thing as gravity does not exist, why do I fall back to the ground when I jump instead of floating off into the sky?
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Do you use ~5% of earth's material or just the equivalent from elsewhere? :3

5% was a typo What I meant was that if you were to create an object to surpass the earth's gravitational pull, yet still having the same density and same material composition of the earth, you would need 50.0000001% of the earth's material to overcome it.

Interesting fact though: The weight of the object you are creating is actually not important, as long as you manage to compress it to a density that will surpass the gravitational pull of our earth.
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Default Re: 3 Experiments You Can Do At Home that PROVE THE EARTH IS FLAT - 07-04-2010, 11:08 PM

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Son, I realise your atheist life is empty and meaningless, but you really need to cut down on the psychedelics.

No it wouldn't. That's a ridiculous thing to say.

No, it would be completely productive, because it would force the Satanist to admit that they're a liar. Of course, we already know they're lying about the earth, but it would be good to see them admit it.
I have no idea what you realize or not I would however advise you, for the sake of argument, to not assume too much. Unless you have concrete evidence of what kind of medication I'm presumable on; I'd be delighted if you'd refrain from a false argumentum ad hominem.

I can also assure you I've not said anything. What I've written is however quite arbitrarily valid.

Why are you assuming that Critter's a Satanist? He/she could very well be someone who's seeking your guidance and all you're doing is ridiculing the person, spouting nonsense about who she or he is. Is that what your supposed God has taught you?

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5% was a typo What I meant was that if you were to create an object to surpass the earth's gravitational pull, yet still having the same density and same material composition of the earth, you would need 50.0000001% of the earth's material to overcome it.

Interesting fact though: The weight of the object you are creating is actually not important, as long as you manage to compress it to a density that will surpass the gravitational pull of our earth.
Oh, now I see. I was thinking you had a special distance in mind which would allow a mass only five percent of the earth's mass to successfully attract smaller things to itself. I guess now the decimals make sense. ;3
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It is not gravity but Universal Acceleration. Earth is accelerating 'upward' at a constant rate of 1g (9.8m/sec^2). This produces the effect you refer to as "gravity".

And also Critter, I have read Rev Jim's exciting home experiments and tried them all at home and they worked. Therefore, his work was peer reviewed and his conclusions prove TRUE.

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