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Default "One Punk Under God" - 12-13-2006, 06:20 PM

Godly Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker never deserved this. Good Morning America, but this is not a Christian Man!

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NEW YORK (AP) -- He was born into the glare of televangelist parents Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker. Then the "Praise the Lord" empire collapsed in scandal. His father went to jail for fraud.
Jay Bakker spent his teens in the darkness, rebelling and bent on self-destruction from alcohol and drugs.
But now, with his 31st birthday next week, this tattooed, multi-pierced pilgrim is on a righteous path: preaching God's grace to a flock of young, downtrodden and disillusioned parishioners most any other church would turn away.
Jay is the focus of "One Punk Under God: The Prodigal Son of Jim & Tammy Faye," a reality series about the back-to-basics church he calls Revolution, which, notwithstanding his decade-long sobriety, holds services in an Atlanta bar.
Keeping the faith while keeping Revolution going will prove to be a challenge for Jay.
"I think Revolution is kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place," he muses in the first episode (airing Wednesday at 9 p.m. EST on Sundance Channel). "With some groups we're too Christian, and with the Christians we're not Christian enough."
But Jay has other concerns as the six-episode series unfolds.
His mom is gravely ill from cancer; Jay will be traveling to her North Carolina home for tender visits. His dad, now remarried and with a new TV ministry, is estranged from him -- a rift Jay will make great strides repairing. And after several years' devotion to his church, he will be uprooted when wife Amanda, a young woman with fluorescent red hair and a beatific smile, is accepted by New York University for its doctoral program in psychiatry.
In short, 2006 is eventful for Jay Bakker -- far more than he imagined when "One Punk Under God" began filming in February.
He was initially reluctant to sign on, and even camera shy, he insists during a recent interview.
"I feel like I'm just a guy who has a church with 15 people that meets in a bar," says Jay, who left the Atlanta church in another minister's care to start a new branch that meets in a Brooklyn pub.
He has no wish, he adds, to leverage his TV exposure into an ongoing video pulpit, as his parents had on such a grand scale with "The PTL Club," which at its peak reached some 13 million cable households.
"If anything, I'd like to write more books," Jay says.
Five years ago his first book, "Son of a Preacher Man: My Search for Grace in the Shadows," testified to his troubled past and deliverance from it.
Now "One Punk Under God" finds Jay continuing a mini-crusade for an alternative to the God he could never make peace with: a wrathful God who hated him for all the flaws he hated in himself.
"God loves us for who we are," contends Jay, explaining that it comes down to "grace": "God's love for all people, and his unconditional love.
"God isn't counting our sins against us. Yeah, we'll have to pay the consequences; life has consequences. But God isn't keeping a record. 'You better watch out, you better not cry' -- that's not God. That's Santa Claus!"
'Salvation is free. It's a gift'

In defiance of both his billing as "punk" and his calling as preacher, Jay is an affable, unassuming chap who happens to wear a stud in each ear as well as a lip ring. And tattoos: He got the first of many -- it praises Revolution -- at 19 while living in Phoenix, where he helped found the church. In the series' finale, he will get a tattoo in tribute to his mother.
Jay has tattoos because he likes them, simple as that. He never set out to be the punk anti-Bakker for a lost generation. Nor has he disavowed his parents, whose past disgrace could easily fuel skepticism about his own ministry.
"I don't have a strategy like, 'OK, I'm gonna distance myself from them, so I can build a church and be my own man,"' Jay says. "Me and my dad have a hard time getting along, and now, with my mom being as sick as she is, that's hard -- but I love them, and they did a lot of great things, as well as make mistakes."
A mistake of theirs he means to avoid: building a church so big and all-consuming that its own sustenance is its primary cause.
In episode two, Jay will make a tough decision that could threaten his church: Should he declare himself a gay-affirming minister? Over fast food outdoors on a bright Atlanta day, he discusses it with Amanda.
"So speaking out in behalf of the gay community and gay Christians is something I should do?" he asks her.
"Absolutely, without question," she agrees, even as she warns there'll be a backlash.
She's right. A conservative foundation wastes no time pulling thousands in funding.
That's OK. "Salvation is free. It's a gift," Jay tells me in New York months later.
"But if I start to compromise now, where am I gonna be in 20 years? I want to be able to encourage other people not to compromise about their passions, their feelings -- and not to be afraid that, if you share your convictions with the rest of us, you're in danger of being thrown out."
At the end of "One Punk Under God," Jay's life remains full of challenges: his mom's worsening condition; the new city for him and Amanda to navigate; a new congregation to forge. He even speaks hopefully of kicking cigarettes.
Then he shares with me his foolproof plan.
"You put one foot out in front of the other and you say, 'OK, this is what I believe, this is what I'm seeing in the Word.' " He smiles. "It's a struggle. But what have I got to lose?"
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Default Re: "One Punk Under God" - 12-13-2006, 06:30 PM

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Godly Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker never deserved this. Good Morning America, but this is not a Christian Man!

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And after several years' devotion to his church, he will be uprooted when wife Amanda, a young woman with fluorescent red hair and a beatific smile, is accepted by New York University for its doctoral program in psychiatry. In other words, Jewish hatred of God.
Now "One Punk Under God" finds Jay continuing a mini-crusade for an alternative to the God he could never make peace with: a wrathful God who hated him for all the flaws he hated in himself. What, God? What other God is there?
Nahum 1:2 God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.
3 The LORD is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.

Psalm 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

So, what does God think of "alternative" gods? Well, Exodus 20:3 sums it up pretty well: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

"God loves us for who we are," contends Jay, explaining that it comes down to "grace": "God's love for all people, and his unconditional love.
"God isn't counting our sins against us. Yeah, we'll have to pay the consequences; life has consequences. But God isn't keeping a record. 'You better watch out, you better not cry' -- that's not God. That's Santa Claus!"
In defiance of both his billing as "punk" and his calling as preacher, Jay is an affable, unassuming chap who happens to wear a stud in each ear as well as a lip ring. And tattoos: He got the first of many -- it praises Revolution -- at 19 while living in Phoenix, where he helped found the church. In the series' finale, he will get a tattoo in tribute to his mother.
Jay has tattoos because he likes them, simple as that.
And because he dislikes following God's orders! Leviticus 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.
AARRGH! Starting from the image of that sodomite fondly dreaming of squeezing Satan's unmentionable areas, there is nothing right about this story!


O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.


God being truth, justice, goodness, beauty, power, and life, man is falsehood, iniquity, evil, ugliness, impotence, and death. God being master, man is the slave. Incapable of finding justice, truth, and eternal life by his own effort, he can attain them only through a divine revelation... he who desires to worship God must harbor no childish illusions about the matter, but bravely renounce his liberty and humanity.
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Default Re: "One Punk Under God" - 12-13-2006, 06:43 PM

Bless You for putting this whole Sordid mess into terms True Christians ™ can understand, Brother Temperance. I Fear I will have bad dreams tonight about this one - especially all the tattoos on his arms. Surely one must read "Satan is Groooovy!" in the place of the (un$avED though Traditional) "Mother"

(I Wonder if he has any snail tattoos, though? I may need to check this out a little bit farther.)
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Default Re: "One Punk Under God" - 12-15-2006, 12:59 AM

That man is a disgrace to punks everywhere.



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That man is a disgrace to punks everywhere.
He looks like yet ANOTHER false teacher to me! Meeting in a BAR? Tattoos (Satan's brand marks!). Disgustin' ABOMINATION!! For once, believe it or not, I AGREE with you Witch van Helsing!! (but don't get used to it)


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Default Re: "One Punk Under God" - 12-15-2006, 02:24 AM

You're agreeing with me, eh? Who'da thunk it!

But he reminds me of someone else I know. Well, not personally. This is a friend of a friend of mine. Guy was a tattooed punk then one day he had a bad LSD trip where he saw monsters coming to get him, so then he became an xtian. What a mormon.



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Default Re: "One Punk Under God" - 12-15-2006, 02:27 AM

From that photo, I'm thinking that Elton John lookalike is wantin' to get "under God" in more ways than one!

Maybe his Daddy or his Momma needs to tell him that it's great to LOVE God, but not to be IN LOVE WITH God.
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Default Re: "One Punk Under God" - 12-15-2006, 06:11 AM

Is he that weird dude who encourages his flock of young tattooed parents to breed a lot in order to make America more Christian? Or supply troops for God's army, whichever.


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You're agreeing with me, eh? Who'da thunk it!

But he reminds me of someone else I know. Well, not personally. This is a friend of a friend of mine. Guy was a tattooed punk then one day he had a bad LSD trip where he saw monsters coming to get him, so then he became an xtian. What a mormon.
Praise! Your friend is truly blessed to have been sent a vision directly from GOD! Now will you repent?


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Praise! Your friend is truly blessed to have been sent a vision directly from GOD! Now will you repent?
And few are given that grace!

CHRIST must truly love his friends to let him see (the demons that prowl this earth).

And now he has seen and only the FEAR OF GOD remains, for whatever devil he may have seen he is now a CHRISTIAN, and as LUKE 10:17 wrote:

And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name

PRAISE THE LORD

Let has pray that a grace so big to someone close might have touched him but so slightly that he sees the light...one day (clearly not today)
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Godly Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker never deserved this. Good Morning America, but this is not a Christian Man!

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NEW YORK (AP) -- He was born into the glare of televangelist parents Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker. Then the "Praise the Lord" empire collapsed in scandal. His father went to jail for fraud.
Jay Bakker spent his teens in the darkness, rebelling and bent on self-destruction from alcohol and drugs.
But now, with his 31st birthday next week, this tattooed, multi-pierced pilgrim is on a righteous path: preaching God's grace to a flock of young, downtrodden and disillusioned parishioners most any other church would turn away.
Jay is the focus of "One Punk Under God: The Prodigal Son of Jim & Tammy Faye," a reality series about the back-to-basics church he calls Revolution, which, notwithstanding his decade-long sobriety, holds services in an Atlanta bar.
Keeping the faith while keeping Revolution going will prove to be a challenge for Jay.
"I think Revolution is kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place," he muses in the first episode (airing Wednesday at 9 p.m. EST on Sundance Channel). "With some groups we're too Christian, and with the Christians we're not Christian enough."

What's this communist crap? RATHER DEAD THAN RED!
Revolution isn't American, and nothing but terrorism.

But Jay has other concerns as the six-episode series unfolds.
His mom is gravely ill from cancer;

Jesus is surely punishing her for unleashing this ABOMINATION upon the world!

Jay will be traveling to her North Carolina home for tender visits.

"Tender" visits?
It's obvious he's a disgusting sodomite!

His dad, now remarried and with a new TV ministry, is estranged from him -- a rift Jay will make great strides repairing.

His dad did the right thing, no wait, he should have stoned him!

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21

And after several years' devotion to his church, he will be uprooted when wife Amanda, a young woman with fluorescent red hair and a beatific smile, is accepted by New York University for its doctoral program in psychiatry.

And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD's sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.
Zephaniah 1:8

Jesus hates weird people!

In short, 2006 is eventful for Jay Bakker -- far more than he imagined when "One Punk Under God" began filming in February.
He was initially reluctant to sign on, and even camera shy, he insists during a recent interview.
"I feel like I'm just a guy who has a church with 15 people that meets in a bar," says Jay, who left the Atlanta church in another minister's care to start a new branch that meets in a Brooklyn pub.
He has no wish, he adds, to leverage his TV exposure into an ongoing video pulpit, as his parents had on such a grand scale with "The PTL Club," which at its peak reached some 13 million cable households.
"If anything, I'd like to write more books," Jay says.
Five years ago his first book, "Son of a Preacher Man: My Search for Grace in the Shadows," testified to his troubled past and deliverance from it.

His "deliverance" into SATANS ARMS that is!

Now "One Punk Under God" finds Jay continuing a mini-crusade for an alternative to the God he could never make peace with: a wrathful God who hated him for all the flaws he hated in himself.
"God loves us for who we are," contends Jay, explaining that it comes down to "grace": "God's love for all people, and his unconditional love.

The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Psalm 5:5

"God isn't counting our sins against us. Yeah, we'll have to pay the consequences; life has consequences. But God isn't keeping a record. 'You better watch out, you better not cry' -- that's not God. That's Santa Claus!"
'Salvation is free. It's a gift'

Why doesn't the homer quote book, chapter, and verse?
Because he's pulling this out of his sodomy ravaged behind!

In defiance of both his billing as "punk" and his calling as preacher, Jay is an affable, unassuming chap who happens to wear a stud in each ear as well as a lip ring. And tattoos: He got the first of many -- it praises Revolution -- at 19 while living in Phoenix, where he helped found the church. In the series' finale, he will get a tattoo in tribute to his mother.
Jay has tattoos because he likes them, simple as that. He never set out to be the punk anti-Bakker for a lost generation. Nor has he disavowed his parents, whose past disgrace could easily fuel skepticism about his own ministry.

Like brother BT pointed out, tatoos are an abomination to the Lord.
As are those who bear them.

"I don't have a strategy like, 'OK, I'm gonna distance myself from them, so I can build a church and be my own man,"' Jay says. "Me and my dad have a hard time getting along, and now, with my mom being as sick as she is, that's hard -- but I love them, and they did a lot of great things, as well as make mistakes."

He loves his parents?
Jesus commands us to HATE OUR PARENTS!

A mistake of theirs he means to avoid: building a church so big and all-consuming that its own sustenance is its primary cause.

A Church for SATAN!

In episode two, Jay will make a tough decision that could threaten his church: Should he declare himself a gay-affirming minister?

JESUS PUKES!

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination:
They shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Leviticus 20:13

Over fast food outdoors on a bright Atlanta day, he discusses it with Amanda.
"So speaking out in behalf of the gay community and gay Christians is something I should do?" he asks her.
"Absolutely, without question," she agrees, even as she warns there'll be a backlash.
She's right. A conservative foundation wastes no time pulling thousands in funding.
That's OK. "Salvation is free. It's a gift," Jay tells me in New York months later.
"But if I start to compromise now, where am I gonna be in 20 years? I want to be able to encourage other people not to compromise about their passions, their feelings -- and not to be afraid that, if you share your convictions with the rest of us, you're in danger of being thrown out."
At the end of "One Punk Under God," Jay's life remains full of challenges: his mom's worsening condition; the new city for him and Amanda to navigate; a new congregation to forge. He even speaks hopefully of kicking cigarettes.
Then he shares with me his foolproof plan.
"You put one foot out in front of the other and you say, 'OK, this is what I believe, this is what I'm seeing in the Word.' " He smiles. "It's a struggle. But what have I got to lose?"

Blah blah blah, for all this talk of the Word, HE DOESN'T FOLLOW IT!
What a false teacher! A RAVENOUS WOLF IN PUNK CLOTHES!


If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself: But if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it.
A foolish woman is clamorous: She is simple, and knoweth nothing.
Proverbs 9:12-13
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Bless You for that Godly rebuttal, Brother SS!

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