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Your "generous" tithe does NOT make you the boss around here! -
10-12-2018, 08:10 AM
I am fit to be tied right now, as I just overheard one of our Tin Tithers (not Silver, not Gold, but Tin. TIN level) take issue with how Pastor was handling our upcoming Hell House preparations.
The church member in question chuckled and said, "Don't forget, I pay your salary. Hah, hah!"
Hah, hah, like this was all just some harmless little joke among friends.
Pastor tried to laugh it off, but I could see how uncomfortable the whole thing made him.
So, just so there's no misunderstanding about what all your love offerings mean, and what they entitle you to, let's review how things work, OK?
My good friend Tommy Rainer over at the Christian Post sums it up quite nicely:
One of the Most Destructive Statements a Church Member Can Make
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If you have served in church leadership for several years, you have likely heard this statement:
"You know who pays the bills at the church."
The statement is one of the most insidious, destructive, and ungodly statements a member can make. It says much about the attitude of the member and the group he or she represents. There is nothing good that can come from this statement. Just look at some of the implications of this attitude:
1. It is an attitude of selfishness. The giver with this attitude looks at his or her gifts to the church with a closed fist instead of an open hand. Money is given conditionally, not sacrificially or unconditionally: "It's my money, not God's money."
2. It is an attitude of entitlement. Gifts to the church are more like country club dues. "Since I pay my money, I get my perks and benefits. I get things my way. And if I don't get things my way, you just watch me stop paying my dues."
3. It is an attitude of divisiveness. Those who express such statements are already creating schisms in the church. The big givers are in one group, and the lesser givers are in another. It's us versus them. "Those other people don't deserve an opinion, because we pay more than they do."
4. It is an attitude of bullying. The statement is always a threat. It is usually directed at the pastor or some other leader in the church. "You do things my way or just watch what I'll do to you." It's intimidation and bullying at its worst.
5. It is an attitude of superiority. The person who makes this statement is the Pharisee who lets the world know how "godly" he or she is. "Look at how much I give. I must be blessed by God. And this church is blessed by me. You wouldn't want me to withhold my blessings, would you?"
6. It is an attitude of ungodliness. The Enemy loves to hear such statements. When he hears church members say they pay the bills, he knows they are focused on themselves and not Christ. He knows they are divisive instead of instruments of unity. The Enemy knows he's winning when these contemptible words flow from the mouths of church members.
Yes, I know churches can expend funds in imperfect ways. Yes, I know all churches need systems of accountability and checks and balances with their finances. Yes, I know some churches need greater transparency with their budgets and spending.
But there is absolutely no excuse for making threats with the money you and others have given to the church. Such an attitude gives no glory to God.
It is one of the most destructive statements a church member can make. It is spoken too often in too many churches. And, if the attitude is allowed to continue, it becomes a cancer that will kill and destroy.
Originally posted at ThomRainer.com.
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Re: Your "generous" tithe does NOT make you the boss around here! -
10-12-2018, 09:38 PM
Ever since Melania Trump confessed to being the most bullied person on the planet, I've had a heart for victims of bullying. Thank you, Faith Machine, for drawing my attention to this so I can direct my prayers appropriately.
Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.
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Re: Your "generous" tithe does NOT make you the boss around here! -
10-12-2018, 10:29 PM
This is funny as I was just listening to Mister Rainer's podcast (we listen to it as a family every Friday night). If you hold money as leverage for wanting control in your church you deserve to burn in hell. Plain and simple. If a young teenager like me can figure it out, I am appalled then that there are faux church elders who don't get it. I'll bet you they probably voted for Hillary as they're hypocrites.
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Re: Your "generous" tithe does NOT make you the boss around here! -
10-16-2018, 09:17 AM
Thank you. I'm so glad to hear you all listen together as a family.
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Re: Your "generous" tithe does NOT make you the boss around here! -
10-16-2018, 01:09 PM
Our wonderful pastor must have been uncomfortable, I feel so honestly bad for him. If I was in that situation, I would have called on god to smite him. Anyways, tell the pastor that I am exited for Helloween witch hunt!
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Re: Your "generous" tithe does NOT make you the boss around here! -
10-16-2018, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheniqua Brown
Our wonderful pastor must have been uncomfortable, I feel so honestly bad for him. If I was in that situation, I would have called on god to smite him. Anyways, tell the pastor that I am exited for Helloween witch hunt!
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Dear, Freehold is a gated community that exists to support God through supporting Landover Baptist Church, through our esteemed Pastor Zeke. Landover Baptist Church has been named "Most Select Church In America" by U.S. News and World Report, "Now Harder To Get Into Than Harvard." Our Holy Church is modeled after Heaven, and if you thought it was that was hard to get into (Matthew 7:21), you've never encountered Sister Cookie in the Office. I don't know who your wonderful pastor is, but I assure you Pastor Zeke is never uncomfortable. He makes it a point to be, and look, as comfortably authoritarian and privileged as any World Leader.
If you want to join Larry in his furry little adventure in Connecticut, knock yourself out. Only True Christians™ who have been vetted by the Department of Faith and whose Salvation has been personally guaranteed by Christ Jesus through Pastor Zeke will be partaking of the Witch Hunt in Freehold. Unless of course you are a witch, in which case I will have a nice plate of fresh, homemade cookies and cold milk near my favorite picnic area. Pay no attention to the sound of giggling boys and cocking guns in the bushes.
Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.
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