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Default How long did the Creation of the World take? - 01-23-2018, 07:12 PM

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As far as Pastor Ezekiel Flint’s recorded age is concerned, I have been informed that this is an Ecumenical matter revolving around Psalm:90:4 and how we should interpret “years”. Discussions with the Southern Baptists are ongoing, and Pastor Flint from great personal generosity and in a spirit of love, agreed to be an example and thus his age was deemed to be 29 years for the purpose of the discussions. To change anything now would undo years of work.
I have now been inundated with letters asking what there is to discuss about “Years” – most of them can be summed up by “What’s the problem with a year? A year is a year, right?”

The answer is “Yes.” It is a question of what a day; evening; morning; month; year all mean. And they all mean exactly the same in American as they did to God, Adam, Jesus, and Paul - and even John the Divine (who sometimes appears a little too zealous for some people) knew what a year was.

When God say “I’ll have a word with you tomorrow – He does not mean, “I’ll speak to you in a thousand years.”

If we look at Psalms:90:4: For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

And if we look at Ge:1:5: And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

To the Landover, Independent Baptist, this does not mean that the creation of Light and Darkness (on their own - because God creates the sun and moon later) took 1,000 years – that would be stupid.

But there are those who believe that. And they believe it because the Catholic Church accepts Evolution and an Old World – a World that is about 13 Billion years old.

Well, common sense tells us that the world cannot be 13 Billion years old, because– that is obvious for three reasons
(i) In the 17th century Archbishop Ussher simply counted backwards from Jesus’s birth using the information not only in the Bible, but from elsewhere, of how long everyone lived and how much time everything took. He discovered that the World was created in September 4004BC
(ii) the Old Testament describes Jesus’s direct, yet indirect*, descent from Adam, who was created by God. If the world were 13 Billion years old, then the Bible would be about 3 million times as long. If that were the case, nobody would have the time to read it and we’d all be atheists – and nobody is.

Because the Bible is inerrant and consistent, we need to look at the words:
Psalms:90:4: For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
What is the Psalmist saying? He is saying that to God, time does not matter in the same way that to you yesterday is past and gone and is of no consequence: it is a short time. And if you are immortal, everything is a short time, isn’t it? In fact time does not mean much at all.

And then we have: Exodus 20:10-11 and this seems to be that the six days of creation was followed by the Sabbath day of rest was a cycle of the same kind of seven day week that was to become the pattern of Israel's experience. It's hard for me to imagine someone coming to some other kind of conclusion unless he seeks to accommodate extra-biblical considerations from philosophy (that papist, Augustine,) or science (a la contemporary old earthers - 1Tm:6:20: O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called)."

I may help you to be reminded of the original question at this point – the argument about “years”. It so happens that Southern Baptists are not dogmatic on a six-day Creation. But we are, and, in talks aimed at healing differences, all that is required is that the heretics among the Southern Baptists admit their fault and are banished and shunned for all eternity.

I hope this gives some idea of the complexities of the negotiations and our more than flexible approach.




* God created Jesus before he created Adam. Regarding Jesus, the apostle Paul wrote: “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.” (Col:1:13: […his dear Son:
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Col:1:15: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: ) Jesus’ life began long before he was born in a stable in Bethlehem.
See also the Old Testament Mic:5:2: But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

As God’s firstborn Son, Jesus was a spirit creature in heaven before he was born as a human on earth. Jesus himself said: “I have come down from heaven.”—John 6:38; 8:23.

So we see that Jesus was already there at Creation as a full adult and also born in Bethlehem.




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Default Re: How long did the Creation of the World take? - 01-23-2018, 08:24 PM

Pastor Bathfire, your sermon was really wise, I know that because I did not understand much of it.

Nonetheless, I think the whole 13 billion years old universe thing is obviously wrong in light of the verse you mention, Genesis 1:5 - because while the Bible does not specify how many days should be in a year (and there might be discrepancies whether we decide to follow solar or lunar years), it is quite obvious that one year is longer than one day. Therefore, 13 billion years is much, much longer than one day, hence, the world could not have been created billions of years ago.
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Default Re: How long did the Creation of the World take? - 02-02-2018, 09:08 AM

I was thinking about dates and how some people say that you couldn't be exactly certain when Arphaxad begat Salah or how long between the birth of Peleg and Joktan, for example.




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Genesis 10:24-25
And Arphaxad begat Salah; and Salah begat Eber. And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.


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Luke 3:35-36
Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala, which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,





But it does it really matter? Even if we placed all the individuals end to end as if Salah started when Arphaxad died, and we know how many years they all lived for (in Arphaxad's case† it's 438 years) like this..

JESUS | PELEG EBER SALAH ARPHAXAD | ADAM

..with no overlap at all, it's only about five dozen generations none of whom lived longer than a millennium indeed the vast majority didn't last a century giving a maximally expanded total immensely less than the thousands of million years demanded by God denying evolutionists! Slice it where you like all you get is baloney!! Are they seriously suggesting that Arphaxad lived 35 million years and begat Salah and after he begat Salah he lived 4.3 billion years and begat sons and daughters? With Eber turning up when Salah was 30,000 years old and living a further 464 million years as would be necessary for Jesu's genealogy to fit in their idiotic timeframe? Yes. That is what they are suggesting. Because the animals created at the same time as Adam (whenever that was) were all created at the same time, even if fruit trees weren't, and they have those creatures trotting around hundreds of millions of years ago placing Adam (and therefore year 1 of the genealogies for Jesus) similarly hundreds of millions of years ago.

Which is both ridiculous and non-Biblical and therefore anti-God and false. Even accommodating the nit-pickers but you can't know the exact year of Arphaxad's birth we remain well within the range necessary for Jesus through whom we receive eternal life.



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Default Re: How long did the Creation of the World take? - 08-18-2018, 02:45 AM

The creation took seven days

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Default Re: How long did the Creation of the World take? - 08-18-2018, 03:03 AM

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And then we have: Exodus 20:10-11 and this seems to be that the six days of creation was followed by the Sabbath day of rest was a cycle of the same kind of seven day week that was to become the pattern of Israel's experience. It's hard for me to imagine someone coming to some other kind of conclusion unless he seeks to accommodate extra-biblical considerations from philosophy (that papist, Augustine) or science (a la contemporary old earthers - 1Tm:6:20: O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called)
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Default Re: How long did the Creation of the World take? - 08-18-2018, 04:11 AM

I posit that we can't know from the record available (the Bible).

Gen 1:1-2 describe the creation of the world itself (as opposed to everything in it or around it), which is the question OP asks. These verses take place prior to the creation of light in Gen 1:3-5, which marks the first mention of any concept of time. Hence, the creation of the world happened before time had any meaning, so it could have been instantaneous, or may have taken longer than the 4,022-ish years that have passed since. If this is too much of a mind-stretch for you to accept let me refer to the existence of light, and plants growing, before there was such a thing as the sun in the sky, as a concept that already exists in your brain (without your skull exploding, somehow).

tl:dr Gen 1:1-2 happen before the first day (so can't be included in the six total of Exodus 20) and time did not yet exist so



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Default Re: How long did the Creation of the World take? - 08-18-2018, 04:22 AM

You seem to be saying that radiation is impossible without time?
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I posit that we can't know from the record available (the Bible).

Gen 1:1-2 describe the creation of the world itself (as opposed to everything in it or around it), which is the question OP asks. These verses take place prior to the creation of light in Gen 1:3-5, which marks the first mention of any concept of time. Hence, the creation of the world happened before time had any meaning, so it could have been instantaneous, or may have taken longer than the 4,022-ish years that have passed since. If this is too much of a mind-stretch for you to accept let me refer to the existence of light, and plants growing, before there was such a thing as the sun in the sky, as a concept that already exists in your brain (without your skull exploding, somehow).

tl:dr Gen 1:1-2 happen before the first day (so can't be included in the six total of Exodus 20) and time did not yet exist so
I could have guessed - we have a Big Banger (or an extra large British sausage) in our midst. So how fast was everything moving? According to Einstein the faster you go the slower time is ("dilates") - so those 13 billion "years" could be accounted for in a few "days". Either way, God is always right.


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Default Re: How long did the Creation of the World take? - 08-18-2018, 08:41 AM

So if it took you zero time to traverse "the universe" your velocity would be infinite?
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I posit that we can't know from the record available (the Bible).
Nobody is interested in the views of contrarians!

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Gen 1:1-2 describe the creation of the world itself (as opposed to everything in it or around it), which is the question OP asks. These verses take place prior to the creation of light in Gen 1:3-5, which marks the first mention of any concept of time.
You cant just go around making bald statements and expect people to believe you! Time started to exist as soon as God changed something – time is a measure of change. If you look at a photo, it is unchanging – there is no time. If you look at a video, things change… there is “time”.

The day is simply a convenient measure of time.

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Hence, the creation of the world happened before time had any meaning, so it could have been instantaneous, or may have taken longer than the 4,022-ish years that have passed since.
I cannot understand why you wrote that when you have just read my explanation! Are you one of those “trolls”?

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If this is too much of a mind-stretch for you to accept let me refer to the existence of light, and plants growing, before there was such a thing as the sun in the sky, as a concept that already exists in your brain (without your skull exploding, somehow).
What’s wrong with plants growing in the dark. Most plants start life as a seed that is in total darkness.

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tl:dr Gen 1:1-2 happen before the first day (so can't be included in the six total of Exodus 20) and time did not yet exist
Ex:20:11: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Look! It took me 5 minutes to write this! Are you suggesting that prior to those 5 minutes, for me, there was no time?

God has got his own time, even though he is timeless to us. However, He also knows how we think of time and, because He loves us, he does the math (which is really easy for Him.)

I can’t see what is difficult about this!




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Default Re: How long did the Creation of the World take? - 08-19-2018, 10:53 AM

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And then we have: Exodus 20:10-11 and this seems to be that the six days of creation was followed by the Sabbath day of rest was a cycle of the same kind of seven day week that was to become the pattern of Israel's experience. It's hard for me to imagine someone coming to some other kind of conclusion unless he seeks to accommodate extra-biblical considerations from philosophy (that papist, Augustine,) or science (a la contemporary old earthers).
I've heard old-earthers say the seventh day is still ongoing, because according to Genesis 2:2-3 God has been resting from His work of creation for at least the last 6,000 years - so if the seventh day is a long stretch of time, then the other six days must be too. But if that's true, then we have a problem when we come to Exodus 20:10-11, which you quoted. Either:

i.) Men must work for 4.5 billion years (if we accept the geographical age of the earth) before being allowed to have a day off, in which case no one can keep God's commandment to observe the Sabbath and we are all damned to hell (James 2:10) - which God would never allow

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ii.) Men must work six days before having >6,000 years off, which would also be impossible to keep (Psalm 90:10) and damn everyone to hell as well as destroy the economy.


Either way, old-earth creationists are going to hell. But since we True Christians™ are not going to hell (Titus 1:2), we can conclude that a literal week of seven 24-hour days is the only plausible interpretation.


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Default Re: How long did the Creation of the World take? - 08-21-2018, 12:16 AM

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I've heard old-earthers say the seventh day is still ongoing, because according to Genesis 2:2-3 God has been resting from His work of creation for at least the last 6,000 years - so if the seventh day is a long stretch of time, then the other six days must be too. But if that's true, then we have a problem when we come to Exodus 20:10-11, which you quoted.

Either way, old-earth creationists are going to hell. But since we True Christians™ are not going to hell (Titus 1:2), we can conclude that a literal week of seven 24-hour days is the only plausible interpretation.
That's really deep stuff, Brother Swallows. I'm not a good student of theology so my thinking is on a practical level.

For example, I'm a True Christian™ and know you are right we are not going to hell. Sometimes on a Sunday I feel like a good restaurant meal and want several choices. These restaurants and their employees need to be ready to serve me. That is important.

Now, a question might come up as to what happens to their souls when God notices they worked on Sunday? I don't know the answer on that. It is their problem not mine. But, if they are not open on Sunday they will face an angry Mayor.


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Default Re: How long did the Creation of the World take? - 08-21-2018, 12:49 PM

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That's really deep stuff, Brother Swallows. I'm not a good student of theology so my thinking is on a practical level.

For example, I'm a True Christian™ and know you are right we are not going to hell. Sometimes on a Sunday I feel like a good restaurant meal and want several choices. These restaurants and their employees need to be ready to serve me. That is important.

Now, a question might come up as to what happens to their souls when God notices they worked on Sunday? I don't know the answer on that. It is their problem not mine. But, if they are not open on Sunday they will face an angry Mayor.
Mayor, of course, the solution is to put the already damned to work on Sundays.


Have you ever commited blasphemy against the Holy Ghost? Well then you can serve tables on Sunday.


Are you a descent from a bastard? 10th generation? You can scrub dishes on a Sunday.


And so on, and so forth.


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Default Re: How long did the Creation of the World take? - 08-23-2018, 08:15 AM

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What’s wrong with plants growing in the dark. Most plants start life as a seed that is in total darkness.
I was reading John's Gospel not long ago where it's explained that Jesus is God.
John 1:4-5 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
Here we see that light can shine in darkness without displacing it. Thick darkness of that type is not the same is the absence of light. It is the presence of darkness. I also noticed the following passage:
Genesis 2:4-6 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, and every plant of the field before it was in the earth and every herb of the field before it grew for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
By making the plants before they were growing there would be no need for sunlight. Any illumination required would come from Jesus, permeating Creation with no darkness anywhere just like the mist watering the ground even though rain had not been created. Jesus was right there, in The Beginning, providing whatever the plants needed.
I John 1:5
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
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