[Bjorn Jensen]

I am sick and tired of hearing about filthy liberals wanting to ban animal testing and vivisection. In order for us to have our expensive cosmetics and luxury products, we have to test them on animals first, and since the Bible allows us to do whatever we want to animals, there is nothing wrong with it. If you are anti-animal testing you are also anti-capitalist, and therefore communist. This week here in Godless Sweden, they are planning to protest the Godly British-Swedish multinational corporation AstraZeneca. Here you can read their disgusting propaganda towards this corporation:
http://www.facebook.com/events/491018084283530/?ref=3

Here is some of text:

After 2 days of campaigning for the Swedish Astra-beagles held at the kennel Rååhöjden in the south of Sweden, here is a short update.

- They announced that no beagles will be killed.

- The remaining beagles will be sent to AstraZenecas site in Alderley
in the UK to be used in vivisection, to their only lab still in Sweden
in Molndal or rehomed, but only with staff (animal caretakers) from
AstraZeneca, as they claim these dogs have special needs and they want to follow it up.

- They refuse to say how many has already been rehomed for security reasons.

Sounds fine to me, cause i believe in Genesis 1:26

I say send those damned ugly beagles over to the UK to be vivisected, there is nothing special about them, they are just animals and these tests will generate alot of money for this great corporation and give us some new beautiful makeup for our wives that i am looking forward too!

[MitzaLizalor]

FEAR . . DREAD

GENESIS 9
1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
KJV

Notice how the fear of us and the dread of us is a part of God's blessing?

Matthew 6:26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
KJV

Matthew 10:29-32 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
KJV

That is why I follow The Inerrant Word Of God.

[Izmael ibn Ibrahim]

Animals have no soul anyway so I don't see what the problem is with testing on animals. You make a good point for a disbeliever. :thumbup: But they shouldn't test cosmetics, women shouldn't wear makeup.

[Cranky Old Man]

I could not agree more. When Bob4God sells me a new gun, I always use Mrs. Johnson's dogs to test them out. Unfortunately she keeps adopting more of those annoying creatures.

[Professor Bessemer]

Lanodover Baptist University proudly leads the nation in live animal product testing. I am proud to say that our Scientheists have sprayed more oven cleaner into the eyes of more rabbits than anyone else on God's green earth.

And we intend to continue this invaluable work for years to come because that is what God wants us to do.


But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:

Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.

Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the Lord hath wrought this?
Job 12:7-9

You see, The Lord wants us to learn from animals. Obviously, the best way to learn from a monkey is to remove part of its skull and implant a stainless steel funnel in its head. Once again, Landover Baptist University leads the nation in creating funnel headed rhesus monkeys and I could not be prouder of this. Glory!

[lukasekman]

I support animal testing whenever possible. When performing real Creationist science, you can't rely on dubious computer models or love dolls filled with mysterious fluids.
One of my key missions is Creationism and spanking in every classroom, and one way to achieve it is mandatory vivisection in fourth grade.

We do also need to restart the MKULTRA program in order to defend our Christian nation against remote atheist brainwashing. In order to check which combination of frequencies that cause atheism/autism, we need thoroughly testing with connecting all kinds or conducting materials to the animal's nerve system.

[Bjorn Jensen]

Maybe Pastor Fossmo, lukasekman and i should hold a counter-protest against these commies? Holding up large banners on cardboard paper saying "Genesis 1:26" and "Job 12:7-9"

These areas of Sweden, Skåne, also happens to be Sweden's own South, and is one of the more Christian parts of this communist country

[lukasekman]

Originally Posted by Ex-Viking

Maybe Pastor Fossmo, lukasekman and i should hold a counter-protest against these commies? Holding up large banners on cardboard paper saying "Genesis 1:26" and "Job 12:7-9"

These areas of Sweden, Skåne, also happens to be Sweden's own South, and is one of the more Christian parts of this communist country

Great idea!
We will picket every communist animal activist DEMONstration, holding our signs.
With the power of Jesus, the South shall rise again.

[Free Market Fred]

Originally Posted by Ex-Viking

...In order for us to have our expensive cosmetics and luxury products, we have to test them on animals first...

Hello Brother Ex,

Good post. However, I have to respectfully disagree with the above statement. Animal testing costs a lot of money, and the results don't always coincide with human experience. That's why my company has decided to cut out the middle man (or middle critter, if you will) and go to direct human testing of new products.

Fortunately, at our prison factories in China, we have a large reserve of human volunteers on hand 24/7. Well, almost human - I realize that with Chinks there is some room for debate. I mean any "human" that writes gibberish like 你他媽的美國佬帝國主義的狗 is more than likely an alien life form and certainly lacks a soul. Nevertheless, my tech people tell me that the Chink aliens seem to react to all the toxic waste spills at my company's factories just like humans do, so it's a fair bet that if we spray oven cleaner into their eyes, we can obtain accurate data on just how safe these products will be for American consumers.

I do certainly agree that this testing is necessary before we sell our products in a Godly nation like America. It's always bad for business when our food additives or cosmetics cause American consumers to develop a rash, or their nose falls off, or whatever. Of course, whenever that happens, we do our best to sweep it under the rug, but sometimes there are leaks - occasionally we have to rendition some vocal consumer activist to Guantanamo if he/she goes on the Internet and starts blogging about how our chocolate chip cookies can cause a stroke or cancer. Anyway, thanks to the Chink prisoner testing program, that only happens occasionally.

One interesting thing we've learned since we started testing our products in China is that - while we've done a good job at eliminating physical symptoms - we are finding that the majority of our food additives will produce interesting behavioral changes. In most cases, this only causes a few car accidents and/or suicides, but every so often we get something spectacular. I guess by now all you have heard about that Adam Lanza teen who shot 20 brats at Sandy Hook Elementary School after eating a bag of my company's new "Enhanced Flavor" potato chips. That was a little problematic for us since we had nearly a million bags of chips ready to ship to Wal-Mart, and we were afraid that a few bloodbaths at the checkout stand might be bad for the Christmas shopping season.



Extra crunchy flavor...and zero percent trans-fats too!

Fortunately, we were able to pull a few strings with our friends in the Pentagon, and at the last minute diverted the chips to the US Army. We've already gotten some favorable reports from field commanders in Afghanistan that our soldiers have become more effective as a result - we just may make this a permanent part of our troops' diet! So it looks like yet another win-win for my company's public-private partnerships!

[Little Donkey]

Animals just don't care about things like that. Look at these happy dumb beasts, serving us the Lord intended.

[Forest Spirit]

animal testing is inhumane and u will go2 HELL even for supporting it.

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Originally Posted by Forest Spirit

animal testing is inhumane and u will go2 HELL even for supporting it.

Hey Tree Demon;

Where does it say anything like that in the Holy Bible? Post the Scripture or shut your yap.

YIC,

--Pastor Ezekiel

[Bjorn Jensen]

Originally Posted by Forest Spirit

animal testing is inhumane and u will go2 HELL even for supporting it.

So, when God said that we humans should have dominion over animals, He did not mean that we should use them? Animal testing, as well as trapping, drift-netting, rodeo, bullfighting, bear baiting, dog fighting and the hunting of critically endangered species, is a God given right.

[Mistress Cookie]

Originally Posted by Professor Bessemer

The Lord wants us to learn from animals...Once again, Landover Baptist University leads the nation in creating funnel headed rhesus monkeys and I could not be prouder of this. Glory!

Professor Bess, are there any of those left over in the lab??? I'd like to order 1 for a Chinese Themed dinner party I'm having on the 12th featuring an exotic apricot aspic that uses just a dab of monkey brains to make it gel right.

(I can't believe I'm revealing the secret ingredient here!!)

Anyway, the last time I tried to get at the fresh meat for this recipe it was really messy, and the monkey kept squirming all over the kitchen. It actually bit me! But with the handy funnel in the head, maybe I could just turn him upside down this time and squeeze (?)

[Max Smart]

Originally Posted by Pastor Ezekiel

Hey Tree Demon;

Where does it say anything like that in the Holy Bible? Post the Scripture or shut your yap.

YIC,

--Pastor Ezekiel

Proverbs 12:10

Whoever is righteous has regard for the life of his beast, but the mercy of the wicked is cruel.

Ecclesiastes 3:19

For what happens to the children of man and what happens to the beasts is the same; as one dies, so dies the other. They all have the same breath, and man has no advantage over the beasts, for all is vanity.

Proverbs 27:23

Know well the condition of your flocks, and give attention to your herds,

Exodus 23:5

If you see the donkey of one who hates you lying down under its burden, you shall refrain from leaving him with it; you shall rescue it with him.

Psalm 145:9

The Lord is good to all, and his mercy is over all that he has made.

Genesis 1:28

And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

Genesis 1:30

And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so.

Isaiah 1:11

“What to me is the multitude of your sacrifices? says the Lord; I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of well-fed beasts; I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of goats.

Luke 12:6

Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies? And not one of them is forgotten before God.

Deuteronomy 25:4

“You shall not muzzle an ox when it is treading out the grain.

Luke 15:4-7

“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the open country, and go after the one that is lost, until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep that was lost.’ Just so, I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.

Matthew 6:26

Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?

1 Corinthians 15:39

For not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for humans, another for animals, another for birds, and another for fish.

Genesis 9:1-6

And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea. Into your hand they are delivered. Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything. But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood. And for your lifeblood I will require a reckoning: from every beast I will require it and from man. From his fellow man I will require a reckoning for the life of man.

Proverbs 31:8

Open your mouth for the mute, for the rights of all who are destitute.

Isaiah 11:6

The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the young goat, and the calf and the lion and the fattened calf together; and a little child shall lead them.

Psalm 36:6

Your righteousness is like the mountains of God; your judgments are like the great deep; man and beast you save, O Lord.

Jonah 4:11

And should not I pity Nineveh, that great city, in which there are more than 120,000 persons who do not know their right hand from their left, and also much cattle?”

Exodus 23:11 ESV / 11 helpful votes

But the seventh year you shall let it rest and lie fallow, that the poor of your people may eat; and what they leave the beasts of the field may eat. You shall do likewise with your vineyard, and with your olive orchard.

Numbers 22:32

And the angel of the Lord said to him, “Why have you struck your donkey these three times? Behold, I have come out to oppose you because your way is perverse before me.

Isaiah 34:14-16s

And wild animals shall meet with hyenas; the wild goat shall cry to his fellow; indeed, there the night bird settles and finds for herself a resting place. There the owl nests and lays and hatches and gathers her young in her shadow; indeed, there the hawks are gathered, each one with her mate. Seek and read from the book of the Lord: Not one of these shall be missing; none shall be without her mate. For the mouth of the Lord has commanded, and his Spirit has gathered them.

Genesis 9:2

The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea. Into your hand they are delivered.

Genesis 2:19

Now out of the ground the Lord God had formed every beast of the field and every bird of the heavens and brought them to the man to see what he would call them. And whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name.

Isaiah 32:20

Happy are you who sow beside all waters, who let the feet of the ox and the donkey range free.

Genesis 49:5-7

“Simeon and Levi are brothers; weapons of violence are their swords. Let my soul come not into their council; O my glory, be not joined to their company. For in their anger they killed men, and in their willfulness they hamstrung oxen. Cursed be their anger, for it is fierce, and their wrath, for it is cruel! I will divide them in Jacob and scatter them in Israel.

John 21:15

When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord; you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Feed my lambs.”

Matthew 10:29

Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? And not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father.

Genesis 33:13-14

But Jacob said to him, “My lord knows that the children are frail, and that the nursing flocks and herds are a care to me. If they are driven hard for one day, all the flocks will die. Let my lord pass on ahead of his servant, and I will lead on slowly, at the pace of the livestock that are ahead of me and at the pace of the children, until I come to my lord in Seir.”

Romans 13:1-5

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

Exodus 22:19

“Whoever lies with an animal shall be put to death.

1 Timothy 5:18

For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain,” and, “The laborer deserves his wages.”

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Min Smart

...hey lookitme I canz Google a whole buncha irrelevant Scripture...

Wow, you found a bunch of Scripture that mentions animals, good for you!! We'll have teacher put a gold star on your next report card!! Mommy will be so proud of her little guy!!

No, we won't.

Now, try finding something that says "animal testing is wrong or bad somehow", like Pastor Ezekiel asked. You'll know you've found something relevant when you see the words "animal testing" or possibly "vivisection". Good luck. You'll need it.

[Bjorn Jensen]

Originally Posted by Max Smart

Non-KJV blashemy

Stop quoting false Bibles, then we can talk

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Max Smart
Proverbs 27:23
Know well the condition of your flocks, and give attention to your herds,

KJV in context
22 Though thou shouldest bray a fool in a mortar among wheat with a pestle, yet will not his foolishness depart from him.
23 Be thou diligent to know the state of thy flocks, and look well to thy herds.
24 For riches are not for ever: and doth the crown endure to every generation?
25 The hay appeareth, and the tender grass sheweth itself, and herbs of the mountains are gathered.
26 The lambs are for thy clothing, and the goats are the price of the field.
27 And thou shalt have goats' milk enough for thy food, for the food of thy household, and for the maintenance for thy maidens.

I've left the ESV quotation there, but included context from the KJV for comparison and to demonstrate how "cherry-picking" blinkers the reader. In this case a critical question is left unanswered. WHY DO HERDS EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE? And God has included that point right there in verse 26.

A verse not quoted.

Animals are used for many purposes. For sacrifice—as commanded by God—as beasts of burden, for food but not as romantic partners. Are not two birds purchased for a penny? And what exactly do you think happens to the birds next? It was not for the benefit of animals that sacrifice ceased but because people did cynicism. Grunting in their sins, wallowing in intoxication, lying, cheating, stealing.

Then they'd flounce off to the Temple, make the sacrifice or have the Priest offer various portions of chopped up animals heaving them aloft or spraying their blood around over the congregants as the case may be.

Then off home for a good ol’ steal cheat lie wallow and grunt session.

No wonder God destroyed the Temple!

Many heretical versions leave out foundational elements from true Christian doctrine. Perhaps the ESV is one of them—the Pastors would be able to answer that for you—but I checked verse 26 and it's there.

ESV warning heretical version included to demonstrate cherry-picking
23 Know well the condition of your flocks, and give attention to your herds,
24 for riches do not last forever; and does a crown endure to all generations?
25 When the grass is gone and the new growth appears and the vegetation of the mountains is gathered,
26 the lambs will provide your clothing, and the goats the price of a field.
27 There will be enough goats’ milk for your food, for the food of your household and maintenance for your girls.

[Alvin Moss]

I would like to mention that I had my dog tested and his IQ is exactly the same as that of Vice President Joe Biden.


For this reason, I support animal testing.

[Titus Templeton]

I am perfectly fine with animal testing. At least then muslims serve a purpose.