Re: Merry Meet, Christians
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My grandmother was a believer in "little people" (pixies, elves, gnomes). I can tell you that even as close as the turn of the 20th century, people did not believe these things were cute little creatures that "helped" you out. Oh I remember Grandma steaming about fairy rings in the lawn, it was a bad omen and we needed to pray especially hard to ward off these evil creatures. I dismissed her when she gave me what-for because I was grooming pixie braids out of the horses mane. When I was thrown and had to walk about 3 miles home, all the sympathy I got from her was "told you so".
Seths grandmother was the same way. These people are old "Celts" with old Celtic beliefs, so don't tell me that wicca is ancient when it doesn't even mesh with what Celtic people of a hundred years ago believed.
Oh, and some more fun information
That's from the web page of a certain Celtic person who is very angry that "Wicca" claims to be "ancient Celtic".
Originally posted by Mary Etheldreda
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- Wicca is actually a creation of Gerald Gardner who put it together in the middle 1900s using blatant ripoffs of Aleister Crowley, Freemasonry, Egyptian ideologies and Celtic lore.
- "Do what you will, may you harm none." is undeniably Crowley's creation.
- Gardner claimed to be a Master Mason(3rd Degree), yet Masonic records show that he was only an Entered Apprentice Mason(1st Degree Mason)
- Gardner also claimed to have recieved his Doctor of Philosophy in Singapore and a Doctore of Literature in Toulouse but as it turns out these are merely more lies.
- Gardner claimed that he was initiated into the New Forrest Coven in 1939 by some old hag named Dorothy Clutterbuck. This New Forrest Coven was allegedly an ancient religion handed down throughout the generations in secret because of fear of persecution. However, despite attempts by Doreen Valiente, there is no valid proof that any such Dorothy Clutterbuck ever existed much less initiated Gardner into any Coven.
- Gardner made it a law within the coven that when a high priestess reached a certain age she would have to relinquish her position to a younger, more beautiful woman to be intiated into the coven through the Great Rite(I won't mention the details, but the "great rite" involved having intercourse with the priest)
- Alex Sanders, the founder of Alexandrian Wicca, you may be interested to know, who was also originally in Gardner's coven, claimed that his initiation was through his Grandmother(yes through "the great rite")
- even the word "wicca" means "male witch" not "wise woman" as the ignorant masses like to believe
My grandmother was a believer in "little people" (pixies, elves, gnomes). I can tell you that even as close as the turn of the 20th century, people did not believe these things were cute little creatures that "helped" you out. Oh I remember Grandma steaming about fairy rings in the lawn, it was a bad omen and we needed to pray especially hard to ward off these evil creatures. I dismissed her when she gave me what-for because I was grooming pixie braids out of the horses mane. When I was thrown and had to walk about 3 miles home, all the sympathy I got from her was "told you so".
Seths grandmother was the same way. These people are old "Celts" with old Celtic beliefs, so don't tell me that wicca is ancient when it doesn't even mesh with what Celtic people of a hundred years ago believed.
Oh, and some more fun information
Many well known writers claim that the word "Wicca" derives from the Saxon word "Witan". However the word "Witan" was the proto-parliament of old Saxon England. These writers claim that Wicca was practiced in the Celtic lands, particularly the Gaelic lands, where they were called "Wittan". But when one observes the Gaelic language one will find that this is impossible, for the Gaelic language does not have a letter "W". So, of course, the words "Wittan" or "Wicca" could not have been derived from the Gaelic language. The sound of the letter "W" does appear in the Gaelic language, but never at the beginning of a word, such as in the word Samhain that is pronounced as SawhIn. "W" is also neither its own phoneme, but just a allophone of "M" or "B".
Differences between Traditional Celtic religions and Wicca:
- Traditional Celtic religions are cultural manifestations while Wicca was created by Gerald Gardner in the middle 1900s drawing from Aleister Crowley, Freemasonry, Egyptian ideologies,and Eastern philosophies, as well as Celtic lore.
- Traditionists hold tightly to their own culture, while Wicca takes freely from various cultures and ideologies.
- Wiccans focus heavily on the belief that "All goddess are just different faces of the Goddess" or "All gods are just different faces of the God" while Traditional Celtics believe that their deities are individual beings as well as their First Ancestors.
- In the Celtic religion the Sun and Moon can change gender according to what attribute is being focused on, while Wicca is based on a definite Feminine Moon and Male Sun.
- Wicca is Neo-Platonic dualism with the God and Goddess as archetypes while the Celtic religion is truly polytheistic, totemistic, animistic, and zoomorphic.
- They both differ in ethics.
- Wiccans tend to revolve around ceremony and ritual that can be traced back to Aleister Crowley while Celtics don't put a lot of emphasis on ritual and life itself is a ceremony holding everything as sacred and spiritual.
- Wiccans first thought is for the individual while a Celtic's first thought is centered around their family and community.
That's from the web page of a certain Celtic person who is very angry that "Wicca" claims to be "ancient Celtic".
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