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Default Re: Wicca, the truth about it - 12-23-2010, 07:11 AM

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Hrm. I'm not sure, Sir, but I do believe that there are many archaeologist and historians who would disagree.

But, -shrug-, I doubt that anyone would opt to change opinions so there's no real point in bickering over it.
I do believe there are no archaeologists nor any historians who would disagree that Wicca is a new "religion". Didn't you read what I just wrote above?

Even Silverbunny Ravenfluff agrees that it's a new "religion".


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Default Re: Wicca, the truth about it - 12-23-2010, 07:14 AM

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Hrm. I'm not sure, Sir, but I do believe that there are many archaeologist and historians who would disagree.

But, -shrug-, I doubt that anyone would opt to change opinions so there's no real point in bickering over it.
Care to name any of these "sources", friend?

Ever think there was a reason its called "neo-paganism"?

Even most witches agree that Wicca is roughly 60 years old.


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Default Re: Wicca, the truth about it - 12-23-2010, 07:17 AM

sure the name is new but the practice is older than any of yours
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Hrm. I'm not sure, Sir, but I do believe that there are many archaeologist and historians who would disagree.

But, -shrug-, I doubt that anyone would opt to change opinions so there's no real point in bickering over it.
No use in bickering over witches. They are all going to Hell.


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Default Re: Wicca, the truth about it - 12-23-2010, 07:21 AM

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Even Silverbunny Ravenfluff agrees that it's a new "religion".
Implying that Ravenfluff is the expert on Wicca.

However, according to the Wicca.org homepage, they have been teaching since 1968. I suppose I was wrong?

And, oh dear, that was what? ~40 years ago? o.o


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Default Re: Wicca, the truth about it - 12-23-2010, 07:27 AM

Double, posting. Sorry. I seem to be unable to find an Edit button. x.x

Disregard my Ravenfluff comment.

I'm too tired for this.

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Default Re: Wicca, the truth about it - 12-23-2010, 07:27 AM

there is no Hell it is just something made up long ago to scare the people into control, oh jesus is the only way, what about people like gandhi, who saved a nation from tearing them selves a part. is he in this so called "hell" cause he never said he was christian he said he was of all religions
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Default Re: Wicca, the truth about it - 12-23-2010, 07:29 AM

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sure the name is new but the practice is older than any of yours
The practice is as new as the name.

However... let's take this in the direction you'd like. Suppose the practice is exactly as the ancients did it thousands of years ago. What does this mean for you? Do you imagine that the older something is, the more true it must be?



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Default Re: Wicca, the truth about it - 12-23-2010, 07:31 AM

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there is no Hell it is just something made up long ago to scare the people into control, oh jesus is the only way, what about people like gandhi, who saved a nation from tearing them selves a part. is he in this so called "hell" cause he never said he was christian he said he was of all religions
Yes. And Gandhi helped to tear India apart, into India and Pakistan. He and his Hindu anti-Muslim attitude -- the Hindu need to wash their hands after shaking hands with a Muslim -- resulted in ethnic cleansings, the division of India into separate Hindu and Muslim theocracies, and border wars that continue to this day.

Learn just a little history before you go praising its greatest monsters.

So, you say "there is no Hell", yet you believe in a "lord and lady" whom you've never seen except in drug-addled skyclad orgies in the woods, where the only "horned god" was a man as doped up as you.


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sure the name is new but the practice is older than any of yours
No. You're simply wrong.

Wicca, and all of its practices, simply did not exist before Gerald Gardener and Aleister Crowley dreamed them up.

For the sake of argument, lets assume that Crowley thought up most wiccan rituals when he was in the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (the first occult organization he was a part of) and Gerald Gardener simply plagiarized them. That would still mean that those rituals are, at most, 110 years old.

When did Christ walk the earth? Roughly 2000 years ago?

There were witches (witches, not wiccans) around before that, but thanks the catlick church managing to do something right for once, almost nothing is known about their practices.

Or did Morgana Le Fay come to you in a dream and tell you differently?


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there is no Hell it is just something made up long ago to scare the people into control, oh jesus is the only way, what about people like gandhi, who saved a nation from tearing them selves a part. is he in this so called "hell" cause he never said he was christian he said he was of all religions
Hell is as real as God! The only reason that you don't want to believe in it is so that you can convince yourself that you won't get punished for eating babies. And yes, I can assure you that Gandhi is roasting in the fires of Hell since he didn't accept Jesus as his saviour:

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Default Re: Wicca, the truth about it - 12-23-2010, 07:38 AM

it is truer than a book that has been writ over and over people changing the words to what they want to hear
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it is truer than a book that has been writ over and over people changing the words to what they want to hear
We follow the KJV1611 and unlike false christians we don't try to make the Bible more politically correct via interpretation or new tranlations. It's not too late to repent and become a True Christian™. Is eating babies really so pleasant that you are willing to go to Hell for doing it?


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there is no Hell it is just something made up long ago to scare the people into control, oh jesus is the only way, what about people like gandhi, who saved a nation from tearing them selves a part. is he in this so called "hell" cause he never said he was christian he said he was of all religions
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Default Re: Wicca, the truth about it - 12-23-2010, 07:50 AM

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Yes. And Gandhi helped to tear India apart, into India and Pakistan. He and his Hindu anti-Muslim attitude -- the Hindu need to wash their hands after shaking hands with a Muslim -- resulted in ethnic cleansings, the division of India into separate Hindu and Muslim theocracies, and border wars that continue to this day.

Learn just a little history before you go praising its greatest monsters.

So, you say "there is no Hell", yet you believe in a "lord and lady" whom you've never seen except in drug-addled skyclad orgies in the woods, where the only "horned god" was a man as doped up as you.
First off Gandhi kept many of thousands more from dieing.
secondly i have never done drugs, i feel them in the earth, the wind, the water, and by the warmth of a fire
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No. You're simply wrong.

Wicca, and all of its practices, simply did not exist before Gerald Gardener and Aleister Crowley dreamed them up.

For the sake of argument, lets assume that Crowley thought up most wiccan rituals when he was in the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (the first occult organization he was a part of) and Gerald Gardener simply plagiarized them. That would still mean that those rituals are, at most, 110 years old.

When did Christ walk the earth? Roughly 2000 years ago?

There were witches (witches, not wiccans) around before that, but thanks the catlick church managingyes to do something right for once, almost nothing is known about their practices.

Or did Morgana Le Fay come to you in a dream and tell you differently?
they did they were not unified though,
also i feel every day that the earth which your "god" said to take care of is burning hurting
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Hell is as real as God! The only reason that you don't want to believe in it is so that you can convince yourself that you won't get punished for eating babies. And yes, I can assure you that Gandhi is roasting in the fires of Hell since he didn't accept Jesus as his saviour:

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first off why in the universe do you think Wiccan eat babies
second of all there are few religions that have a hell, most others is reincarnation,
gandhi was probly reborn as a person that had a simple and joyful life,

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Default Re: Wicca, the truth about it - 12-23-2010, 08:02 AM

i see the person who gave me that infraction, has a witch hunting award.
also he said it was talking back to my betters.
first off
HOW piffleING DARE YOU HUNT DOWN PEOPLE LIKE DOGS, AND HOW THE piffle NOW THEY WERE WITCHES OR DID SOME OLD FAT GUY SAY OH THEY LOOK FUNNY THEY ARE WITCHES. FEEL DAMN LUCKY THAT I DONT USE MAGIC TO HARM PEOPLE!!!

SECONDLY: WHO THE HELL YOU TO SAY YOU ARE MY BETTER, DOESNT YOUR BIBLE SAY THAT THOSE WHO DAMN ARE DAMNED THEM SELVES!!! IF ANY THING YOU ARE LESSER THAN ME!!

EVEN IF YOU BAND THIS ACCOUNT ANOTHER WILL COME AND ANOTHER, FOR MY KIND IS MANY THE VOICE OF THE EARTH, THE SUN AND THE MOON CAN NOT BE SILENCED, IF ANY THING IT WILL GROW LOUDER.
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Default Re: Wicca, the truth about it - 12-23-2010, 08:06 AM

A PROUD WITCH, you are a follower of the Shaitan and be reward with eternity of hell.

You evil withcraft has no effect on the believers of Allah(pigs be upon him) since we are protected by Allah(pigs be upon him) and The Holy Quran.

Read the following Quran verses to gain knowledge.

SURA 2.
101. And when there came to them a Messenger from Allah verifying that which they have, a party of those who were given the Book threw the Book of Allah behind their backs as if they knew nothing.
102. And they followed what the Shaitans chanted of sorcery in the reign of Sulaiman, and Sulaiman was not an unbeliever, but the Shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, yet these two taught no man until they had said, "Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever." Even then men learned from these two, magic by which they might cause a separation between a man and his wife; and they cannot hurt with it any one except with Allah's permission, and they learned what harmed them and did not profit them, and certainly they know that he who bought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their souls, had they but known this.
103. And if they had believed and guarded themselves [against evil], reward from Allah would certainly have been better; had they but known [this].


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2. All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.
3. The Beneficent, the Merciful.

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Default Re: Wicca, the truth about it - 12-23-2010, 08:07 AM

ALSO YOU LABEL ME AS UNSAVED TRASH, I DONT *potty-mouth deleted* CARE. WHAT MAKES ME MAD IS YOUR SELF GLORIFICATION THE WORLD WILL TURN BACK TO THE WAYS OF THE PAGAN AND IT WILL BE HEALED!!!
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Default Re: Wicca, the truth about it - 12-23-2010, 08:10 AM

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FEEL DAMN LUCKY THAT I DONT USE MAGIC TO HARM PEOPLE!!!


You can't harm any True Christian with your magic, silly witch. We are protected by God:

Psalm 5:12
For thou, LORD, wilt bless the righteous; with favour wilt thou compass him as with a shield


To the atheists:

To the false christians:

Feel like pissing off God? Perhaps this will change your mind:

Hosea 13:16
Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
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Default Re: Wicca, the truth about it - 12-23-2010, 08:19 AM

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EVEN IF YOU BAND THIS ACCOUNT ANOTHER WILL COME AND ANOTHER, FOR MY KIND IS MANY THE VOICE OF THE EARTH, THE SUN AND THE MOON CAN NOT BE SILENCED, IF ANY THING IT WILL GROW LOUDER.
The errors in your post (that I'm not quoting) are easily corrected should you bother to actually read this whole topic carefully.

I'm amused by the above statement, however. Your mindless belief in things that make no sense, cannot be proven, and are self-contradictory... it's quite astounding! We live in the 21st century! I realize you have some work to do for Brother Jedediah before you return to this thread. I will await your return.



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Fall on us, and hide us from the face
of him that sitteth on the throne,
and from the wrath of the Lamb"
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