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Default Answers - 04-23-2007, 10:15 AM

Pastor Ezekiel:
Here I will answer your questions. Unlike you, I will only use polite words. I will not call people names, or disrespect their belief.
I hope by the time I finish answering your questions, you could answer some of mine with meaningful answers, which means no horrible sarcasm or calling people names.

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1.The Qur'an says "To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness hath Allah promised forgiveness and a great reward" (Surah 5:9).

Question: Are you doing enough good deeds to receive salvation on the Day of Judgment? How do you know?


2. The Qur'an says, "O ye who believe! Turn unto Allah in sincere repentance! It may be that your Lord will remit from you your evil deeds and bring you into Gardens underneath which rivers flow, on the day when Allah will not abase the Prophet and those who believe with him. Their light will run before them and on their right hands; they will say: Our Lord! Perfect our light for us, and forgive us! Lo! Thou art Able to do all things," (66:8-9). Notice how it says if you are sincere you may receive forgiveness.

Question: How do you know you are sincere enough to be forgiven of Allah?
Question: Does it give you peace to know that even if you are very sincere that at best, you MIGHT receive forgiveness?
Question: If you say that you know you are sincere enough in your repentance before Allah, how do you know you are not deceiving yourself?
Question: Is your heart really good enough to muster enough sincerity before a Holy and Righteous God?
Question: If you say yes, I honestly and humbly ask you, "Are you being prideful?"
Question: If you say you are not being prideful, then are you boasting in your sincerity?


3. In Christianity, Jesus is God in flesh who paid for our sins on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24). Because of that, we Christians are secure in Him and do not have to worry about doing enough good works to please God since we are saved by grace through faith in Him, (Eph. 2:8-9).

Question: Why should we Christians give up our guaranteed Salvation© in Jesus for the requirements of your Qur'anic law when you yourselves don't even know if you have done enough good deeds to be saved on the Day of Judgment?


4. In the Bible, Jesus said in John 15:13, "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." In Christianity, the greatest act of love is performed by God Himself -- since Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1, 14; Col. 2:9). Jesus is the one who fulfilled His own words on this. He laid His life down for us.

Question: What is the greatest act of love performed by Allah?
Question: If what Jesus said is true, then hasn't someone besides Allah performed the greatest act of love?
Question: Why do you, as a Muslim, want us to give up such a great love performed by God Himself for your belief in Allah who only loves people if they are Muslims, and under certain circumstances?


5. Islam teaches that the Holy Spirit is Gabriel. In the Bible, the Holy Spirit lives in True Christians™.

Question: If the angel Gabriel is the Holy Spirit, how can he dwell in us?

"That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us." (2 Tim. 1:14).

"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" (1 Cor. 3:16).


6. Lying is okay?

Question: Was Muhammad wrong for advocating lying? Is Lying okay? "Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him [Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf]?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it," (Hadith Vol. 5, Book 59, #369).
Question: Who is more holy, Allah or God?

In the above quote from the hadith, Muhammad advocated lying. The Christian God would never approve of lying. Does the god of Islam approve of lying? If not, then wasn't Muhammad wrong? If he was not wrong, then Allah approves of lying. Which God is more holy? The God of Christianity is far more holy.

In fact, the God of Christianity is the ONLY true God."
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Default Re: Answers - 04-23-2007, 10:52 AM

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1.The Qur'an says "To those who believe and do deeds of righteousness hath Allah promised forgiveness and a great reward" (Surah 5:9).

Question: Are you doing enough good deeds to receive salvation on the Day of Judgment? How do you know?
In Islam:
God made a promise in the above verse. God doesn't break promises. That seems to me a good guarantee.
Also, there is no limit to what good deeds you can do. If you do more, you will be rewarded more. The Muslims Paradise differ than yours. Our paradise has degrees. Those Muslims who do more will have better rewards than those who did less good deeds than them.
Therefore, there is no limit or goal where you reach and then relax and say "I made it, I am saved".
Same thing applies to Hell. There are many sins that God warned us about, if you do it, then you will be punished.
In Islam, God is fair. You will be rewarded for how much good deeds you do, and you will be punished for how much sins you do. However, God is merciful. He told us about many ways of worship to wash your sins away and repent. Does that mean you can sin for 3 weeks and spend the last week of the month repenting, then keep doing that?? NO. Repentance has to be sincere. How do you know its sincere?? By not doing the sin again, regretting doing the sin, and hating to do the sin.

In Christianity:
I talked to many people about Salvation. I received many contradicting answers. Some said, Believe in Jesus and thats it. Others said: Believe in Jesus and do the commandments. Some said, it is ok to be gay since Jesus already died for our sins!! You guys say, you have to be sinless!! Even though Jesus died for your sins!! What sins has Jesus died for, if Christians have to be perfect/sinless??

If you are saved, then what is the point in keeping the faith or keep doing the commandments?? You can go and sin, you are already saved!! You cannot say "You will be Saved, but you have to keep doing this and that" either this person is saved or not. What about a Christian who DOES EVERYTHING, but addicted to a sin, e.g. watching porn. Will this person go to Hell for committing just this sin?? Or will this person go to heaven for being ~95% perfect Christian, and lost the ~5% to watching porn??
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Default Re: Answers - 04-24-2007, 12:28 AM

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I talked to many people about Salvation. I received many contradicting answers. Some said, Believe in Jesus and thats it. Others said: Believe in Jesus and do the commandments. Some said, it is ok to be gay since Jesus already died for our sins!! You guys say, you have to be sinless!! Even though Jesus died for your sins!! What sins has Jesus died for, if Christians have to be perfect/sinless??
I see you got many answers from False Christians.
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If you are saved, then what is the point in keeping the faith or keep doing the commandments?? You can go and sin, you are already saved!! You cannot say "You will be Saved, but you have to keep doing this and that" either this person is saved or not. What about a Christian who DOES EVERYTHING, but addicted to a sin, e.g. watching porn. Will this person go to Hell for committing just this sin?? Or will this person go to heaven for being ~95% perfect Christian, and lost the ~5% to watching porn??
If you read the Bible, you'd understand.

Before Jesus came, God required animal sacrifices in atonement for sins.

Jesus was the final sacrifice.

Jesus' coming abolishes the need for animal sacrifices, but does not abolish the law or the need to follow it.

Meanwhile, as we have repeatedly told you, once one accepts Jesus and is Saved, all sins are forgiven. From that point, we find it impossible to sin, just as Jesus said we would. I could not tell you a lie or commit a murder if I wanted to; it's not possible for me to commit a sin because I am Saved.

Now, if we are to sin, then that means that we were not truly Saved, and must try again.

I hope this helps you understand the very simple logic of Christianity.
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Default Re: Answers - 04-24-2007, 07:03 AM

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I see you got many answers from False Christians.

Whether they are false or not, they are the majority of Christians. You have to be pretty ignorant to not address their answers even if you know they are wrong.

If you read the Bible, you'd understand.

Before Jesus came, God required animal sacrifices in atonement for sins.

Jesus was the final sacrifice.

Jesus' coming abolishes the need for animal sacrifices, but does not abolish the law or the need to follow it.

Meanwhile, as we have repeatedly told you, once one accepts Jesus and is Saved, all sins are forgiven. From that point, we find it impossible to sin, just as Jesus said we would. I could not tell you a lie or commit a murder if I wanted to; it's not possible for me to commit a sin because I am Saved.

Now, if we are to sin, then that means that we were not truly Saved, and must try again.

Repeatedly telling me something does not make it make more sense than the first time you told me.

So, now you believe that you are Saved. But you don't know that because you still have x amount of years to live. You don't live in a perfect world. You may sin. As in your Bible, only Jesus was perfect.
You said it is impossible to sin!! How about Deacon Fred saying that "Mohammed is the son of Allah" I dared you to provide any proof, but you couldn't. Let me quote myself here from the "Dare" thread:

" I respect a man who preaches and tries to save others, but its a different case when someone is spreading lies.
So, I don't like to call people liers. I think of it this way "May be they are right, and maybe I am wrong" And thats what I am trying to figure out.

Prove me to that Pastor Deacon Fred is right, and prove to me that I am wrong. Calling people names won't prove anything."

Till this day, I have seen nothing except blind trust to a human being and disrespect and calling me name, but still I don't want to call Deacon Fred a liar, I will wait for your proofs.

Another thing, do you have a solid proof that none of your ancestors, to the 10th generation, is not a bastard??
You see people don't talk about this kind of things to other people. And it is even IMPOSSIBLE to make sure that no ancestors, to the 10th generation, is not a bastard.


What a way to deceive yourself and believe you got Salvation.

I hope this helps you understand the very simple logic of Christianity.

I see you didn't address the question about the person who is 95% perfect and lost the 5% to, e.g. watching porn.

I will assume from your post that this person is going to Hell for being only 95% perfect.

What a nice way to reward this person and talk about Salvation.
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Default Re: Answers - 04-24-2007, 11:38 AM

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I talked to many people about Salvation. I received many contradicting answers. Some said, Believe in Jesus and thats it. Others said: Believe in Jesus and do the commandments. Some said, it is ok to be gay since Jesus already died for our sins!! You guys say, you have to be sinless!! Even though Jesus died for your sins!! What sins has Jesus died for, if Christians have to be perfect/sinless??
This is just like there are several versions of Islam.
There are several versions of FALSE Christianity.

The difference between us and them is that WE FOLLOW THE BIBLE, while they follow their own ideas of God!!

Therefore we are right, and they are wrong.
Because we are the ones who follow the Word of God, while they don't.
Simple.

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If you are saved, then what is the point in keeping the faith or keep doing the commandments??
To be Saved, you must be doing the commandments.
Being Saved is a permanent state, and anyone who is truly Saved will stay Saved in both belief and works.
Anyone who is Saved will keep doing the commandments, as one who is Saved is incapable of breaking them.

We are not like you mudslimes who only do "good" (according to you) works in order to gain Heaven!
We do them because God works in our hearts, causing us to do them.
We do them because we love God, and believe in Him.
Gaining Paradise is just an extra reward, doing God's will on earth is a reward in itself, no matter the persecution we face for it.
GLORY!

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You can go and sin, you are already saved!!
The Saved CANNOT sin.
If you are Saved, you are INCAPABLE of sinning.
It is impossible.

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You cannot say "You will be Saved, but you have to keep doing this and that" either this person is saved or not.
See above reply.

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What about a Christian who DOES EVERYTHING, but addicted to a sin, e.g. watching porn. Will this person go to Hell for committing just this sin?? Or will this person go to heaven for being ~95% perfect Christian, and lost the ~5% to watching porn??
That person is 100% imperfect and not Saved, period.
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
James 2:10


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Default Re: Answers - 04-24-2007, 12:11 PM

Thats cool, I think we can go to question number two.

As you see, question number is mainly about Forgiveness.

So, I'll do the Islam part, and you do the True Christianity part. And I have a few questions for you.
let me quote you guys:
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What about a Christian who DOES EVERYTHING, but addicted to a sin, e.g. watching porn. Will this person go to Hell for committing just this sin?? Or will this person go to heaven for being ~95% perfect Christian, and lost the ~5% to watching porn??
That person is 100% imperfect and not Saved, period.
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
James 2:10
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How do you define forgiveness in True Christianity?? If True Christian CANNOT sin, what is the point of forgiveness?? If one single sin will flush away all of your good deeds and send you to Hell, like you said in the quote above, that means you are following one heck of a harsh God who doesn't know what forgiveness means!!

Actually, there is no need to answer the above questions, because you already did here:
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
James 2:10

I will answer question 2 tomorrow if I get time.
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How do you define forgiveness in True Christianity?? If True Christian CANNOT sin, what is the point of forgiveness?? If one single sin will flush away all of your good deeds and send you to Hell, like you said in the quote above, that means you are following one heck of a harsh God who doesn't know what forgiveness means!!
First, YOU cannot judge God, so stop that right now.
Second, before we became Saved, we have all sinned.
Every single one of us has. Everyone is born sinful and vile in the eyes of God.

When we become Saved, God forgives those past sins. Even though they may number in the millions. (Now THAT is forgiveness!)
And since we can no longer sin when we are Saved, we need not be forgiven again!
Nobody needs to be forgiven if they haven't done anything wrong, wouldn't you agree?

It's very simple really.


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I see you didn't address the question about the person who is 95% perfect and lost the 5% to, e.g. watching porn.

I will assume from your post that this person is going to Hell for being only 95% perfect.

What a nice way to reward this person and talk about Salvation.
I didn't see a need to specifically address it.

Perfect is perfect. There is no "partial perfection". That's nonsense.

And a Saved Christian is 100% sin-free because he is UNABLE TO SIN. What part of that do you not understand?
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Default Re: Answers - 04-25-2007, 08:02 AM

Thank you OnYourKnees and SalvationSeeker for explaining the forgiveness of your God.

Now, let me show the forgiveness of Allah:

“How would I know whether Allaah has forgiven me or not?”
You should note that whoever repents sincerely, Allaah accepts his repentance and Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. He has promised the one who repents to Him that He will forgive him his sins. He says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Say: ‘O ‘Ibaadi (My slaves) who have transgressed against themselves (by committing evil deeds and sins)! Despair not of the Mercy of Allaah, verily, Allaah forgives all sins. Truly, He is Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful’”
[al-Zumar 39:53]
When Allaah promises something, He does not break His promise.


SalvationSeeker, you said and I quote:
" When we become Saved, God forgives those past sins. Even though they may number in the millions. (Now THAT is forgiveness!)"


Now let me show you a better forgiveness:
“Except those who repent and believe (in Islamic Monotheism), and do righteous deeds; for those, Allaah will change their sins into good deeds, and Allaah is Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful.
And whosoever repents and does righteous good deeds; then verily, he repents towards Allaah with true repentance”
[al-Furqaan 25:70-71]
In this aayah, Allaah tells us that He will replace the bad deeds of the one who repents into good deeds, and this is one of the blessings of repentance.

That sounds like a better forgiveness.

You also said that True Christians don't sin, if they do, then they are not Truly saved.

However, in Islam we believe that no one is perfect, except prophets of God. Therefore we sin, and God is so merciful and forgiven that He will forgive our sins.

Unlike you:
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
James 2:10

Let me show what Allah and Mohammed said about forgiveness:
Allah said about forgiveness:

“Know they not that Allaah accepts repentance from His slaves and takes the Sadaqaat (alms, charity), and that Allaah Alone is the One Who forgives and accepts repentance, Most Merciful?”
[al-Tawbah 9:104]
“And He it is Who accepts repentance from His slaves, and forgives sins”[al-Shoora 42:25]

“And perform As‑Salaah (Iqaamat‑as‑ Salaah), at the two ends of the day and in some hours of the night [i.e. the five compulsory Salaah (prayers)]. Verily, the good deeds remove the evil deeds (i.e. small sins)”[Hood 11:114]


Mohammed also said:
“The five daily prayers and Jumu’ah (Friday prayers) and Ramadaan take away the bad deeds between one and the next, if you avoid major sins.” (Narrated by Muslim, 344).
“No tiredness, exhaustion, worry, grief, distress or harm befalls a believer in this world, not even a thorn that pricks him, but Allaah expiates some of his sins thereby.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5210; Muslim, 4670).

Do I need to keep going about Allah's mercy and forgiveness??

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You also said that True Christians don't sin, if they do, then they are not Truly saved.

However, in Islam we believe that no one is perfect, except prophets of God. Therefore we sin, and God is so merciful and forgiven that He will forgive our sins.
No, we said that True Christians are UNABLE to sin.

Not that they choose not to, but that they do not have the ability to sin. There is a difference.

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Do I need to keep going about Allah's mercy and forgiveness??

No, it's clear that Mohammed and pals read about God and then made him into a hippie love god, better to suit their lifestyles.

See, Muslims and False Christians have much in common!

Saying that a realized, niced-up version of God is nicer than God isn't proof of anything other than Mohammed and Pals' fear of eternal punishment.

Tell me, if Muslims base their religion on "the Book", being the Bible, then how can they disregard God's Laws, as expressed in the Bible?

Do Muslims have the gall to say that God changed His mind about the Laws, and was unable to simply rewrite them?

Do your people think God is that weak?

Perhaps Allah is, or "Allaah", however he wants to spell it today. But if God wanted to change the Law, He could simply change all the Bibles in the world retroactively.

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No, we said that True Christians are UNABLE to sin.

Not that they choose not to, but that they do not have the ability to sin. There is a difference.

I know you have said that, but it is so ridicules and hard to believe. From browsing these forums, I found many lies that I asked for proofs, but you guys chose to just ignore it to avoid embarrassments. You guys also said that one of you found out that one of her ancestors is a bastard. And it is also impossible for someone to prove that his or her ancestors, to the 10th generation, is not a bastard. So, to fully believe that you are a True Christian and being Unable to sin, is something hard to believe.

No, it's clear that Mohammed and pals read about God and then made him into a hippie love god, better to suit their lifestyles.

If that is clear to you.
Then you should know that it is also clear to us that many people re-wrote the Bible to better suit their lifestyle and political needs.


See, Muslims and False Christians have much in common!

Nope, we follow the Koran and Hadith to the fullest. So, we are not alike.
We are also not like you guys, because you guys turned off your common sense, therefore, it made you like clowns, which is why it took me long time to believe that this site is not a joke. I am sure you heard many people say that.


Saying that a realized, niced-up version of God is nicer than God isn't proof of anything other than Mohammed and Pals' fear of eternal punishment.

I can say the same thing about you. That you guys realized and niced-up your religion for political influence.

Tell me, if Muslims base their religion on "the Book", being the Bible, then how can they disregard God's Laws, as expressed in the Bible?

Who told you that we base our religion on "the bible"??

Do Muslims have the gall to say that God changed His mind about the Laws, and was unable to simply rewrite them?

No, God didn't change His mind. He basically sent Mosses and Jesus to people of Israel. They have changed their religion to suit their political views. Then, God sent His last prophet, Mohammed, to the world.

Do your people think God is that weak?

Nope, you are the ones who think God is so weak that He needs to send His Son to sacrifice Himself. You see only a weak God sees His son being beaten, peed on, tortured, and humiliated by worthless human beings and do nothing while He has the power to do anything, anywhere and anytime, but chose to sit and watch. Thats what I call weakness.

Perhaps Allah is, or "Allaah", however he wants to spell it today. But if God wanted to change the Law, He could simply change all the Bibles in the world retroactively.

He did change the laws by sending Mohammed to the world.

By looking at how you addressed my points, you are using the "MY MOMA SAID SO" logic, which is so childish.

Whenever I say something about Islam, you say: Your God is False, my God is right. Well, DUUH, thats what I believe about you too.
If I believed your God is right, then I won't be here debating.
You better come up with better arguments than these.
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Nope, you are the ones who think God is so weak that He needs to send His Son to sacrifice Himself. You see only a weak God sees His son being beaten, peed on, tortured, and humiliated by worthless human beings and do nothing while He has the power to do anything, anywhere and anytime, but chose to sit and watch. Thats what I call weakness.
Who urinated on Jesus??? And besides, that's not weakness, that's a sign of how loving and strong our God is, that He was able to sit there and watch as His Son, who is also Himself, was sacrificed to Himself in incredibly agony. That is what we Christians mean by love, friend.


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By looking at how you addressed my points, you are using the "MY MOMA SAID SO" logic, which is so childish.

Whenever I say something about Islam, you say: Your God is False, my God is right. Well, DUUH, thats what I believe about you too.
If I believed your God is right, then I won't be here debating.
You better come up with better arguments than these.
So had you. You still haven't done anything but insult God, while still claiming that God is Allah and Allah is God.

In your opinion, God is unable to simply change all the books in the world. Instead, He picks out an illiterate camel-piss drinking pedophile and declares him His prophet?!

THAT'S INSANE!

Next you will be telling me that you don't think that everything that happens in the world is God's Will.
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Next you will be telling me that you don't think that everything that happens in the world is God's Will.
Indeed.

After all, how else could they "explain" that every Islamic country is underdeveloped & getting owned and humiliated all over the place?
And why is it that before WE started drilling for oil there, they lived in tents and rode on camels, and chopped each others heads off.
A powerful "god" indeed, this allah character. He really takes good care of his followers..


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