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Default 15th and Final Launch - 01-05-2008, 11:33 PM

I have joined this forum as part of a project I am undertaking. I have searched the Internet intensively and selected 15 Christian Religion forums to join, so that I can request an influx of information.

Consider me a child who knows nothing about Christianity, but is able to question that which is not initially understood. I wish to determine, by processing as much information as possible through my specialized techniques, whether Religion is a viable aspect of Life.

Educate me as if I were a new member of your congregation.

If this is not permitted on the forum, inform me and I will leave.

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Default Re: 15th and Final Launch - 01-06-2008, 02:12 AM

Dear Friend,

1. Get a copy of the King James Version 1611 Bible.

2. Read it cover to cover.

3. When you're done, if you have any questions, let us know.

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Default Re: 15th and Final Launch - 01-06-2008, 02:20 AM

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I have joined this forum as part of a project I am undertaking. I have searched the Internet intensively and selected 15 Christian Religion forums to join, so that I can request an influx of information.

Consider me a child who knows nothing about Christianity, but is able to question that which is not initially understood. I wish to determine, by processing as much information as possible through my specialized techniques, whether Religion is a viable aspect of Life.

Educate me as if I were a new member of your congregation.

If this is not permitted on the forum, inform me and I will leave.

Thanks.
Also, you will have to tell us which institution you are with. Whose auspices is this reasearch being done under? Are you a college student? What university? Professor's name and phone number? Etc. We need more details, because we've been burned before.


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Default Re: 15th and Final Launch - 01-06-2008, 03:41 AM

Born Again Bob, I have read the Bible--many times--but each time I end up with thousands of questions, and it is too difficult to decide which are more important to put forth. It would probably be impractical to post them all here. So I thought it would be more efficient to listen to what a believer has to say on his or her position--anything that is particularly important to that person could be discussed. If you were especially concerned about abortion, for example, we could discuss that.

Pastor Ezekiel, I am not affiliated with any kind of institution, university, college, or government. This is an independent project, intended solely for my personal benefit. I can give you the website of my high school, however, via personal message.
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Default Re: 15th and Final Launch - 01-06-2008, 05:03 AM

I believe on other forums it is against the rules to post more than once in a row, but I could not find the Edit feature on my previous post. If anybody could point that out, it would be appreciated.

One thing that has me concerned is that I might have mistaken this for a Christian site. There's a strangely large amount of unchecked racism and homophobia, much of which comes from Moderators. Is this a Christian denomination site or is it parody or is it something else under the guise of a Christian community?
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Default Re: 15th and Final Launch - 01-06-2008, 05:12 AM

Dear Friend,

Everything we say has as its basis a correct understanding of the inerrant Holy Scripture. If that isn't Christian, I don't know what is.

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Default Re: 15th and Final Launch - 01-06-2008, 05:12 AM

So could you be considered "purist" Christians?
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So could you be considered "purist" Christians?
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We prefer the term True Christians™.

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Default Re: 15th and Final Launch - 01-06-2008, 05:16 AM

Understandable, and I will use that term when speaking here, but I would have to use "purist" when talking to others about this. After all, it's only fair to other Christian denominations.
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Understandable, and I will use that term when speaking here, but I would have to use "purist" when talking to others about this. After all, it's only fair to other Christian denominations.
Dear Friend,

Truth is always fair. The truth is that other Christian denominations have turned their backs on the parts of the Bible with which they are uncomfortable. That makes them false christians, and God will spit them out on the Last Day.

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." Rev. 22:19.

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Default Re: 15th and Final Launch - 01-06-2008, 05:21 AM

You stated what you clearly believe to be fact. But you need to prove your fact--provide absolute evidence and put forth a logical argument. That's the point of my project, to analyze the arguments of believers.
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You stated what you clearly believe to be fact. But you need to prove your fact--provide absolute evidence and put forth a logical argument. That's the point of my project, to analyze the arguments of believers.
Dear Friend,

If we had evidence and a priori proof, of what value would faith be?

In any event, God will not be made subject to human scrutiny. Remember how He answered Job. If you're looking to build a tower of Babel, its foundation will not be Landover Baptist. We don't expect to put God under a microscope like a bug here.

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Default Re: 15th and Final Launch - 01-06-2008, 05:32 AM

None. If we had absolute evidence of God's existence, then we could revel in that knowledge and with certainty await his plan's fruition. Faith would be entirely unnecessary. We would already know. Is that not logical?

And if God will not be made subject to human scrutiny, then why am I able to scrutinize him right now by studying the Bible--supposedly his own words planted into the minds of the writers--and debate with you? Right now I am studying the possibility of God's existence. Would God allow that?
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Default Re: 15th and Final Launch - 01-06-2008, 05:41 AM

Dear Friend,

No. You cannot debate the existence of God with me. We have no common ground.

You say logic and experience control. On those terms, God cannot be shown to exist. As hellbound Scot David Hume noted, even if God parted the Red Sea just for you, on request, as a true empiricist you still wouldn't become a believer. The simpler and more probable hypothesis is not that God exists, but that you'd gone mad.

I say the Bible controls. On those terms, God's existence is proven by simply reading the Book.

Once we select our respective authorities, the debate is over before it has begun. And we cannot debate the choice of authority. You cannot convince me to toss aside the faith of my fathers for pretty syllogisms. And I cannot convince you to abandon reason in favor of what seems to you a purely personal faith.

We're not here to debate. We're here to tell it as it is. And then it's up to you to pray or get off the pot.

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Default Re: 15th and Final Launch - 01-06-2008, 05:45 AM

It appears this may not be the most suitable place to gather information. I might not even need 15 separate channels of information--14 should do just fine, judging from the results I'm getting from those.

I'll observe for a few more days. If it's not helpful, I'll leave. Thank you.
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It appears this may not be the most suitable place to gather information. I might not even need 15 separate channels of information--14 should do just fine, judging from the results I'm getting from those.

I'll observe for a few more days. If it's not helpful, I'll leave. Thank you.
Poor, poor, confused Star-Child.

You've come to the one church that follows the Bible exactly as God wrote it, every word.

Like most others, you don't LIKE what God said. You want God to be who YOU want Him to be, not who He IS.

Star, it doesn't work that way. GOD doesn't work that way.

GOD IS. We accept. We explain this to others. That's our job.

The best way I can say to know God is to read His Word. Read Genesis, and tell us afterward exactly what that book tells you about God. Then try Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, etc. Review your notes, and ask us if we can confirm or deny your opinions.

We're here to help, Star-Child.
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Default Re: 15th and Final Launch - 01-08-2008, 10:40 PM

Thank you--that was the most helpful response I've received. If anybody else wishes to contribute, they are welcome. It's interesting to speak to people who interpret the Bible literally. Their views no doubt clash with the popular opinion, so I can't imagine how frustrating it must be to continue on this mindset when so many others around one are of contrary opinion.

Perhaps a few questions now:

1) Are there any concepts of this type that you approve of: concepts that do not go against God, but were not inspired by him or the Bible? Or do you believe that everything to do with human life must come from the Bible, and everything else is irrelevant?

2) Is there a general opinion as to when the Second Coming might occur? Is such an opinion even allowed, with believers preferring to prove their faith by waiting without asking when they can relax--similar to a kid sitting patiently in the back of the car, not asking if we are there yet?

3) Do you believe in the present physical universe, that it is a vast space trillions of light-years across, and not the "celestial sphere" that was held as popular belief several centuries ago?
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1) Are there any concepts of this type that you approve of: concepts that do not go against God, but were not inspired by him or the Bible? Or do you believe that everything to do with human life must come from the Bible, and everything else is irrelevant?
Odd question. By definition if you a TRUE Christian™ everything you do is by the Will of God and therefore The Bible. We are not savage and primitive Mennonites who reject Jesus’ Godly technology if that’s what you mean.

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It will happen soon. Our Pastors agree that when Jesus elevates Huckabee into the Presidency next year that will be the start of Jesus’ return.

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3) Do you believe in the present physical universe, that it is a vast space trillions of light-years across, and not the "celestial sphere" that was held as popular belief several centuries ago?
We don’t fall for that faltering Darwinist “cosmos” theory and its absurd heliocentricism. Comosism is an brutal attempt to turn humans into animals by taken them out of the center of creation.



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Default Re: 15th and Final Launch - 01-09-2008, 01:15 AM

1) "By definition if you a TRUE Christian™ everything you do is by the Will of God and therefore The Bible."
Basically a True Christian could follow his/her basic beliefs, and then follow anything additional as long as it doesn't contradict the Bible?

2) I have seen some members here claim that Bush should be made President-for-Life. Yet here you are expectant that Huckabee will become President. Why the difference in opinion?

3) Then how do you explain irregularities in planetary orbits, where if everything is revolving around Earth, then other celestial bodies such as Mars and Jupiter visibly double-back on their paths in the night sky? And just to clarify, do you believe in the Earth's shape as being spherical or being portrayed such as this:



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Default Re: 15th and Final Launch - 01-09-2008, 02:40 AM

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2) I have seen some members here claim that Bush should be made President-for-Life. Yet here you are expectant that Huckabee will become President. Why the difference in opinion?
No difference. We are praying that Bush will become president-for-life, but as realists, we are pragmatically backing Huckabee in case that doesn't happen.

Actually, at this point I'm starting to think that Huckabee will be even better than Bush, but I have to be loyal to Bush. I don't hate America, you see.


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