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Re: Is Depression A Sin? -
03-16-2017, 03:44 PM
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Re: Is Depression A Sin? -
03-16-2017, 03:57 PM
As everyone here knows, I am usually a very calm, demure, and genteel lady. However, a few years ago I fell victim to severe depression and lashed out at almost everyone with whom I had contact. I knew this was not what the Lord intended for me, and I repented of whatever sins I had committed (it took me quite some time to discern them) and asked Christ to cleanse me so I could once again enjoy the blessings of my Salvation®.
However, had it not been for the wisdom of Dr. Laurence Niles and Pastor Ezekiel, both of whom diligently penetrated the barriers that I had established, I might not have found release. I am not sure why the Lord allows us to reach a point where we think of harming ourselves and others, but I do know His promise is true: "Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on thee." (Isaiah 26:3) Of course, the loving counsel of godly men helps.
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Re: Is Depression A Sin? -
03-16-2017, 04:47 PM
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As everyone here knows, I am usually a very calm, demure, and genteel lady. However, a few years ago I fell victim to severe depression and lashed out at almost everyone with whom I had contact. I knew this was not what the Lord intended for me, and I repented of whatever sins I had committed (it took me quite some time to discern them) and asked Christ to cleanse me so I could once again enjoy the blessings of my Salvation®.
However, had it not been for the wisdom of Dr. Laurence Niles and Pastor Ezekiel, both of whom diligently penetrated the barriers that I had established, I might not have found release. I am not sure why the Lord allows us to reach a point where we think of harming ourselves and others, but I do know His promise is true: "Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on thee." (Isaiah 26:3) Of course, the loving counsel of godly men helps.
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As Jesus says, all sins can be forgiven, except for the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost:
Matthew 12:31-32
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
As you have not blasphemed against the Holy Ghost, Sister, you are back on the road to Salvation™!
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Re: Is Depression A Sin? -
03-17-2017, 01:39 PM
Kind, Loving Lissa,
My amazing and most Christ-like friend! How comforting are your kind words. Surely Jesus smiles upon you daily, showering His Grace on all you touch.
I sent you a free copy of my latest cookbook and also sent one to Mrs. Dr. Niles - he IS still married, isn't he? He has had to endure such heartbreak and I do hope he isn't still tempted with strong drink.
We owe it to everyone to spread the word that depression hits us all, and while it is definitely a tool of the evil one, it can be conquered through fasting and prayer.
Darling, won't you please make plans to visit me this spring? We'll hit all the fabulous dining spots here! God continues to bless me financially even if He hasn't yet brought the right man into my life. I've literally been on hundreds of dates, but rarely did I repeat any of those since I am so busy flitting from place to place.
May our Lord keep His Loving Hand upon you, dear!
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Re: Is Depression A Sin? -
03-17-2017, 08:15 PM
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We owe it to everyone to spread the word that depression hits us all, and while it is definitely a tool of the evil one, it can be conquered through fasting and prayer.
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Amen - only fervent prayer can take away sickness - any sickness:
James 5:14-16
14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.
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Re: Is Depression A Sin? -
03-18-2017, 12:22 AM
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Yes, because it is childish.
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Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
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Yes, because it is childish.
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That's a lot of twisting you did there, Pastor.
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I can't see how that's twisting anything, the sleight and cunning craftiness whereby men lie in wait to deceive is precisely the source of psychotherapy and where else does the doctrine of "depression" come from? And for anyone about to go and, and, neuropsychiatry I should point out that these two form a mutual toadying society one introducing demons through its talking cure, the other reinforcing demonic behaviours by declaring the visitation permanent. Sure they will recommend surgery and be derided by their psychodynamic bedfellows but then the freaks say that if you're depressed you're also repressed and elicit new elements from .— .meaning introduce new demons into .— .your personality to be integrated as a more rounded expression of who you really are so that you really do need to get rid of those "friends" I do hope none of them are Christians ..oh? ..they are ...I think you'd be well suited for our new analytical workshopping café it's a fantastic ...we're very pleased with it and so you turn up wearing your latest persona and nobody laughs at you and you can try new ways to express who you really are there are costumes available and refreshments and a music room and chaises longue in really quite spacious alcoves. There's even a disco! but that's closed at the moment would you like a cup of tea yes thank you no sugar and over comes Eva Braun with a tray and a couple of biscuits. She's exploring her inner longings and has a little name tag as does the neuropharmacologist bringing the milk jug but he's dressed casual today. These will be your new friends, you can be yourself here. Milk?
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God said that you must rejoice and be happy so I guess if you are depressed, you are going against the Bible.
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There is no such thing as behaviours and there is no such thing as depression. Any such response is a demonic manifestation and countered with prayer. The Christian life expresses faith in Jesus perfectly because the things we do originate in Him. There is no inner void to fill with invisible friends, chaises longue & anti-therapeutic psychodrama.
JAMES 2 . KJV . look up
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
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09-15-2017, 03:13 PM
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Yes.
Sometimes He just gives them a delusion just for the fun of being able to watch them burn in Hell for eternity:
2 Thess 2:11-12
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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You should really post the rest of that verse before trying to use it to prove you point:
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
God does not want to see people burn in hell:
Psalm 86:15 But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness.
Psalm 136:26 Give thanks to the God of heaven, for his steadfast love endures forever.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Romans 5:8 God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Ephesians 2:4-5 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, evenwhen we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved.
Is five verses enough? No:
1 John 4:9-11 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
Zephaniah 3:17 The LORD your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing.
Job 34:19 who shows no partiality to princes, nor regards the rich more than the poor, for they are all the work of his hands?
Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.
That last verse says that God does not want you to go to hell nor does he want to see you burn in hell.
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Re: Is Depression A Sin? -
09-15-2017, 03:18 PM
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Yes, because it is childish.
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09-15-2017, 03:23 PM
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The asshats on this forum are dumb and remove anything that they don't agree with. They are also willing to twist the scriptures to have them say what they want. They leave out large portions of the verse in their quotes to change the meaning of it so it says exactly what they want even if it is wrong.
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09-15-2017, 03:29 PM
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There is no such thing as behaviours and there is no such thing as depression. Any such response is a demonic manifestation and countered with prayer. The Christian life expresses faith in Jesus perfectly because the things we do originate in Him. There is no inner void to fill with invisible friends, chaises longue & anti-therapeutic psychodrama. JAMES 2 . KJV . look up
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
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First your verse does not prove your point at all.
Second you are denying science.
Here is a bible verse about depression:
"Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn from Me, because I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light" (Matthew 11:28-30).
Read this as well:
https://bible.org/seriespage/psalm-4...ing-depression
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Re: Is Depression A Sin? -
09-15-2017, 03:48 PM
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You should really post the rest of that verse before trying to use it to prove you point:
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10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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I highlighted one bit which you seem to have overlooked. Unrighteous people are unrighteous because they did not receive the love of the truth. So they were doomed from the get-go.
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God does not want to see people burn in hell:
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Oh yeah? Then why did He create it?
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Psalm 86:15 But you, O Lord, are a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness.
Psalm 136:26 Give thanks to the God of heaven, for his steadfast love endures forever.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
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Keep reading:
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Please note that people who died not believing in God include millions of people who lived in the Americas before Columbus got here. And millions of people in other hard to reach areas where Christians missionaries could not get to. And little babies who died in their infancy, and therefore not being mentally able to understand religion.
God created Hell. God made the rules of life such that only a tiny minority of humanity can go to Heaven - while the vast majority will be burning in Hell:
Matthew 7:13-14
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
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Romans 5:8 God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Ephesians 2:4-5 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, evenwhen we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ— by grace you have been saved.
Is five verses enough? No:
1 John 4:9-11 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.
Zephaniah 3:17 The LORD your God is in your midst, a mighty one who will save; he will rejoice over you with gladness; he will quiet you by his love; he will exult over you with loud singing.
Job 34:19 who shows no partiality to princes, nor regards the rich more than the poor, for they are all the work of his hands?
Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.
That last verse says that God does not want you to go to hell nor does he want to see you burn in hell.
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Sweetie, the Bible is directed toward those who read it and follow it 100%. Of course God loves those of us who follow Him. In fact, since He knows everything, He knew from the beginning of time who is going to end up in Heaven and who is going to end up in Hell, and He gave His Grace to His chosen individuals:
2 Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
In fact, it doesn't matter if you do great humanitarian works in name of Jesus, you may still go to Hell (unless you do exactly what God wants you to do):
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Could God have made the rules differently, so that more people could squeeze to Heaven? Yes. Could He have not created Hell at all? Of course. He can do everything. This is His world, He created it and He created the rules of the game.
Analogy: a teacher ideally wants all of his or her students to learn (just like God wants everybody to be saved). When the exam comes, the results are bad: 98% received a failing grade. Maybe questions were too hard, or maybe the students didn't study, or maybe the teacher wasn't teaching well (maybe his teachings were chaotic, he was rambling at times, the guidelines weren't clear, he contradicted himself several times, etc). The professor has several options now: should I post the grades as is, with 98% of the class receiving a failing grade, or should I curve, allowing more students to receive a passing grade, or maybe I could assign an extra credit assignment to give students another chance to improve their grades.
What God does, is the option that only the most heartless professor would choose: give the 98% failing grades, no extra credit option, go to Hell and suffer forever.
Praise for at least giving us a Holy Textbook to study and follow 100%! Remember - if you don't know the Bible, if you don't follow it 100%, you are going to fail that exam.
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Re: Is Depression A Sin? -
09-15-2017, 07:17 PM
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First your verse does not prove your point at all.
Second you are denying science.
Here is a bible verse about depression:
"Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn from Me, because I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light" (Matthew 11:28-30).
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https://bible.org/seriespage/psalm-4...ing-depression
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Is it your contention that after the penitent believer comes to Christ, his depression is no different than before? Are you suggesting that when one allows Jesus to take their yoke, their depression is not lifted? Are you actually claiming that Jesus is either incapable, or unwilling to cure the faithful of their depression? That's quite a rebuke of the very Word of God Itself, dear. That's awfully brazen of you to call Jesus a big, fat liar on his favorite church forum.
Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.
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Re: Is Depression A Sin? -
09-16-2017, 01:35 AM
I don't know how anyone could be depressed with Jesus in their life.
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Re: Is Depression A Sin? -
09-16-2017, 02:13 AM
Amen! Without the promise of resurrection from the dead, we would be a sorry lot!
1 Cor 15:14, 17-19
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
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17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
All our praying, reading the Bible, going to church and refraining from sin would be meaningless.
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09-16-2017, 02:39 AM
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Is it your contention that after the penitent believer comes to Christ, his depression is no different than before? Are you suggesting that when one allows Jesus to take their yoke, their depression is not lifted? Are you actually claiming that Jesus is either incapable, or unwilling to cure the faithful of their depression? That's quite a rebuke of the very Word of God Itself, dear. That's awfully brazen of you to call Jesus a big, fat liar on his favorite church forum.
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I never said that Jesus is incapable of lifting people out of depression. Im just saying your not going to go to hell for being depressed.
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09-16-2017, 02:43 AM
We are commanded (not asked) to be joyful at all times.
Phil 4:4 Rejoice in the Lord always: and again I say, Rejoice.
Failure to do so is sin, deserving of everlasting punishment.
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09-16-2017, 02:45 AM
Why would God want a bunch of whiny, hapless emos in his Kingdom? You should go find your father, EmoTrash, and get him to slap you happy and right with the LORD!
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Re: Is Depression A Sin? -
09-16-2017, 12:16 PM
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First your verse does not prove your point at all.
Second you are denying science.
Here is a bible verse about depression:
"Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn from Me, because I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light"
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Of course I'm denying science! Have you even read The Bible? You mention those who come to Jesus, how they will be given rest. Now what about those who DON'T come to Jesus?
Check this out:
II Thessalonians 2:1-2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Secular "science" holds depression to be some species of shaken mind or a variety of trouble. In Christ, as many posts with full Scripture included have shown you, that is impossible. Persons with shaken minds do not know Jesus which means that they're fully envenomed with sin. Unregenerate. Operating at maximum pressure on a railway line leading to everlasting torture. God says it. Christians believe it. That settles it.
I was concerned that you were so eager to include context for the quoted passage and yet did not understand the very straightforward meaning of what you posted. In the post you were critiquing much fuller context was available; did you not read that? I'm looking at it now. It covers quite a lot of ground from (I'm scrolling up now) Genesis 1 to (..and scrolling down from Thessalonians) Revelation 22 so you could read all the material from Paul if you wanted to. Yes, even the section you chose was included.
I'm still waiting for your Scripture reference about pagan tattoos and since you're pretty hot on the topic of context I'm eager to learn if I'm mistaken about that. Did you not see my post in the Manson thread? Maybe you are visually impaired? I can help there.
I try to pay attention when reading The Bible and remember cross references as well as I can. But it's quite possible that I've missed something and always welcome a link to further what understanding I do have. The Bible is very explicit: devils suffer from SHAKEN minds. They TREMBLE both in spirit and in the words they promote to lead the unwary, or the wilfully disobedient, astray. The two passages fit very well together indeed and I appreciate this cross reference which I hadn't noticed before. So if you could just provide the reference for pagan tattoos, that'd be great.
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Re: Is Depression A Sin? -
09-16-2017, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by EmoTrash
I never said that Jesus is incapable of lifting people out of depression.
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No, you're just calling His Good News "Fake News," because it's not accurate.
Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.
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Re: Is Depression A Sin? -
09-17-2017, 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by DolliMoans
Why would God want a bunch of whiny, hapless emos in his Kingdom? You should go find your father, EmoTrash, and get him to slap you happy and right with the LORD!
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You should do your research on emo culture before you make any judgments. Also God commands us not to judge
Matthew 7:1 -
1 "Judge not, that you be not judged.
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