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Default hello - 08-09-2007, 08:31 PM

Hi I'm Bert from Belgium
Since I haven't been here for a while I'll introduce myself.
I'm 17 years old, I live in Belgium (tiny country in Europe)
I finished a degree in maths/economics and go to university next year.
I am an atheist(well not really an atheist but something like it If you want the details ask me - maybe we can have a debate about it)
If anyone wonders my native language is Dutch, I also speak a decent French and a little German.

by the way why is this very post discriminatory ? No women allowed ? I though according to you god created everyone equal.

Anyway I hope to get some (calm non-rattling) response(s).

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Default Re: hello - 08-09-2007, 08:36 PM

Hi, Bart. Welcome to God's favourite forum.

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I am an atheist
Yes, let's discuss it.
Just WHY are you an atheist? Why don't you want to believe in God?
(Cause that's all there is to it, you simply doesn't LIKE the idea of a God)

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Certainly NOT!
Where did you hear such nonsense?
You haven't read the Holy Bible much have you?


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Default Re: hello - 08-09-2007, 08:57 PM

I do want to believe in a god, I just can't.
You see I'm a strange kind atheist, I don't worship/believe anything (yet), because I just don't know if their is a god even listening, and even if there was how could anyone ever prove it to me.
I'm a bit of a scientist on that mater - accept what you can check. I'm open for the Idea that there might be something though and if anyone can show me 100% that they are right I might consider staring to believe, but not because somebody simply tells me it's there or some old book written a thousand years ago says so (It's like that with 99% off al religions and none of them convince me).

quote: "Cause that's all there is to it, you simply doesn't LIKE the idea of a God"

And quite on the contrary SalvationSeeker I wouldn't only like the idea that there could be something watching over me I would LOVE it, but I just can't accept that without any proof.

Some people ask : why would a perfect god create a universe so full of danger and peril?
well I think they have overlooked an even greater mystery : Why would a perfect god, create a universe at all?
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Default Re: hello - 08-09-2007, 09:35 PM

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I do want to believe in a god, I just can't.
You see I'm a strange kind atheist, I don't worship/believe anything (yet), because I just don't know if their is a god even listening, and even if there was how could anyone ever prove it to me.
You're fooling yourself.
WHY would you really need any proof?
If you cannot believe in God, even if you want, that only goes to prove that Satan is opressing you:
Thus giving you all the proof of God's existance you could ever want.

And there is proof everywhere actually.. and just how do you think the universe came to be?
Don't give me that "big bang" crap either, cause it requires that something can actually come from nothing without any reason whatsoever..
And anyone with the slightest bit of intelligence know that such things just doesn't happen!

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I'm a bit of a scientist on that mater - accept what you can check.
Nonsense. Scientists doesn't even have proof for 1% of all their wild claims!

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And quite on the contrary SalvationSeeker I wouldn't only like the idea that there could be something watching over me I would LOVE it, but I just can't accept that without any proof.
As I said above, you're fooling yourself now.

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Some people ask : why would a perfect god create a universe so full of danger and peril?
well I think they have overlooked an even greater mystery : Why would a perfect god, create a universe at all?
Why would a perfect God NOT create such a universe?
Are you wise enough to know His ways, or to pass judgement?
Can you even understand your OWN way? No, and if you think so, you're fooling yourself.

You lack modesty, since you believe that God needs to prove Himself to you:
He doesn't. But you need to prove yourself to HIM.

BTW Jesus doesn't play games, friend.. I suggest you do the same.


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Default Re: hello - 08-10-2007, 12:14 AM

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Hi I'm Bert from Belgium
Since I haven't been here for a while I'll introduce myself.
I'm 17 years old, I live in Belgium (tiny country in Europe)
I finished a degree in maths/economics and go to university next year.
How backwards are the Belgians? In a civilised country, you go to university to get a degree, not the other way round. How many years has it been since you stopped drawing your pension?
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by the way why is this very post discriminatory ? No women allowed ? I though according to you god created everyone equal.
You thought wrong. Very wrong. According to GOD, he created women from Adam's rib. That's not a good foundation for a relationship of equals.
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Calm and non-rattling? You're headed on the fast-track to HELL, and being rattled right off it is your only hope!


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Default Re: hello - 08-10-2007, 12:47 AM

So, Bert, you are back again. I remember you from your last encounter with the GODLY Landover Baptist community. As I recall, you sent some pictures of a horrid place near a river that looked like Siberia and claimed to live in the town. THEN you denied that Belgium was part of France. Is this the same Bert?


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So, Bert, you are back again. I remember you from your last encounter with the GODLY Landover Baptist community. As I recall, you sent some pictures of a horrid place near a river that looked like Siberia and claimed to live in the town. THEN you denied that Belgium was part of France. Is this the same Bert?
From my geography classes, I recall that Belgium is a state of France, kind of like North Dakota. Their chief exports are waffles, tiny cabbages, and blasphemy.
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Default Re: hello - 08-10-2007, 07:01 AM

Ok, I'm kinda tired of these jokes about my country. YES it's tiny , but it's not certainly a part of France. Well it's as much a part of France as the states is a part of Canada.

Belgium, which accounts for less than 0,2% of the world population and has a market share of 3,4% of exports and 3% of imports, is ranked tenth for international trade in goods.

Approximately 20% of Belgians exports is comprised of consumer goods. Intermediate goods account for about 60%. These are mainly machines and equipment, accounting for over 28% of exports, and chemical and allied products accounting for almost 22%.

Approximately 95% of the 900,000 cars manufactured by Volvo, Opel, Volkswagen and Ford in Belgium are exported. They account for almost 15% of Belgian exports. Plastics account for over 3%, pharmaceutical products and organic chemical products represent about 5% each. Metals (iron and steel, non ferrous metals and processed metal products) make up over 4% and food stuffs constitute almost 9%.

Belgium is the world's largest exporter of diamonds

Belgium is the world leader in terms of export per capita and can justifiably call itself the 'world's largest exporter'.

Then about the educational system : The US ain't the world you know
We go to school from the age of 3 till 18 in the last 6 years you can specialize in just about anything(so I chose economics firs and then continued in maths). After that you can go to university. I think we also have the largest number of universities per capita (we have 5 universities for 10 million people).
And the fact I speak 4 languages at 17, proves that the system works

OK after that boring part about Belgium back to the main discussion.

first I think religion should be about love, compasion and a guideline for how to live togehether peacefully(if a religion is based on unequality then well I don't hink that's any good - you'll probably disagree with me but hey I'm here to spark a discussion).

secondly



quote: "WHY would you really need any proof?

well I've seen nothing to believe there is a god, whould you believe me that you are a donkey if I just told you you where?
No of course not! And if I rwote a book saying that you are ? I don't think so...

If he's almighty why doesn't he just kill "satan" as you call him/it/whatever,

quote: "If you cannot believe in God, even if you want, that only goes to prove that Satan is opressing you"

I would like the idea, just like I would like that the idea that the whole world is at peace, but it's not! Or at least not that I know of.
You see I would like the idea but I can't believe it before somebody actualy can show me(witch nobody can). Ok this might be a bad comparison but you get my point.

quote: ".. and just how do you think the universe came to be?"

Well that's a very good question. But a God doesn't solve that problem does it. Who created God then ? It's an endless cycle isn't it if A created B who created A?

At least the bog bang theory breaks it down to one singular point (witch is actualy more in support of a "divine intervention" then against it)

And please do not insult me again. I know I'm like "unsaved thrash" or something to you, but please refrain from foul language to me or my country. I'm as proud of my country as u are of yours.

Ok I know this i a long post may the lord be with you plowing through this

PS: My mother language ain't English so if there are any mistakes I apologize.
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Default Re: hello - 08-10-2007, 07:04 AM

ok sorry, it's wrote a book about it and big bang of course.
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Default Re: hello - 08-10-2007, 08:10 AM

And please do not insult me again. I know I'm like "unsaved thrash" or something to you, but please refrain from foul language to me or my country. I'm as proud of my country as u are of yours.



Hey Frenchie. How could you possibly be proud of some 2nd rate Euro fag country whose main export is Child Molestation? And Sprouts?


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And please do not insult me again. I know I'm like "unsaved thrash" or something to you, but please refrain from foul language to me or my country. I'm as proud of my country as u are of yours.



Hey Frenchie. How could you possibly be proud of some 2nd rate Euro fag country whose main export is Child Molestation? And Sprouts?


I just realised Jean Claude Van Damned comes from Belgium. And STILL you're proud of your country?


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Default hmm ok your officialy weard - 08-10-2007, 09:27 AM

Ok 1styou've never acctualy been here have you?

Belgium has a thousand times more culture then the states, heck ANY country has a thousand times more cultre then the states. I bet you havent even been outside you state , and still your judging evryone.

MAN I've been to the states like 4-5 times or something, I loved it (ohterwise I wouldn't have returend ' times) but has absolutley NO cultural heritage (other then some cowboys and indians).

You really are convinced you're better then the rest of the world don't you?
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Ok 1styou've never acctualy been here have you?

Belgium has a thousand times more culture then the states, heck ANY country has a thousand times more cultre then the states. I bet you havent even been outside you state , and still your judging evryone.

Judging is something you appear to be doing right here right now....God Is my only judge.

MAN I've been to the states like 4-5 times or something, I loved it (ohterwise I wouldn't have returend ' times) but has absolutley NO cultural heritage (other then some cowboys and indians).

You really are convinced you're better then the rest of the world don't you?
You are the one spouting off about how good Belgium is, mon ami. If Belgium is as 'good' as you say it is, why do you feel the need to tell me? And why does Belgium persist in killing Dolphins?
Stop learning languages and open your Bible. Jesus speaks English my mussell eating potato chip and mayonnaisse devouring fake Frenchman. You should too.

Vous êtes celui jaillissant outre de environ à quel point la bonne Belgique est, ami de lundi. Si la Belgique est comme « bon » comme vous dites qu'elle est, pourquoi sentez-vous la nécessité de me dire ? Et pourquoi la Belgique persiste-t-elle dans des dauphins de massacre ?
Cessez d'apprendre des langues et ouvrez votre bible. Jésus parle anglais mon mussell mangeant des pommes chips et mayonnaisse dévorant le Français faux. Vous devriez aussi.


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Default Re: hello - 08-10-2007, 11:23 AM

hahahaha

You are the one spouting off about how good Belgium is, mon ami. If Belgium is as 'good' as you say it is, why do you feel the need to tell me?

because YOU obviously don't know

And why does Belgium persist in killing Dolphins?

I doesn't

Stop learning languages

ow yeah thats a great idea now that i can speak with a few billion people i just just stop ow yeah kick *ss

Jesus speaks English my mussell eating potato chip and mayonnaisse devouring fake Frenchman. You should too.

Jesus spoke Hebrew, and yes I like mussels and potato chips (Done The RIGHT Belgian/European way) and I like the ocasional Belgian beer with it to (not that american crap). And i'm glad I'm just a fake Frenchie I woudn't want to be a real one .

Oh yeah one more thing if you translate something if french DONTuse an internet translator and get the word order straight. (it gave me a good laugh though :p)

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first I think religion should be about love, compasion and a guideline for how to live togehether peacefully(if a religion is based on unequality then well I don't hink that's any good - you'll probably disagree with me but hey I'm here to spark a discussion).
How can a religion be based on equality? God is omnipotent, omniscient, and Almighty; we are not. It doesn't get much less equal than that.
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ow yeah thats a great idea now that i can speak with a few billion people i just just stop ow yeah kick *ss
You may be able to talk at a few billion people, but can any of them understand you?


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Default Re: hmm ok your officialy weard - 08-10-2007, 12:32 PM

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Ok 1styou've never acctualy been here have you?

Belgium has a thousand times more culture then the states, heck ANY country has a thousand times more cultre then the states. I bet you havent even been outside you state , and still your judging evryone.

MAN I've been to the states like 4-5 times or something, I loved it (ohterwise I wouldn't have returend ' times) but has absolutley NO cultural heritage (other then some cowboys and indians).

You really are convinced you're better then the rest of the world don't you?
Jesus demands that we judge you vile perverts. Read your Bible fool!

Belgium is a cesspool of filth. Not only is queer marriage allowed there, but bestiality is perfectly legal. Trust me, Jesus hates all you abominations.


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Default Re: hello - 08-10-2007, 02:54 PM

quote: "How can a religion be based on equality? God is omnipotent, omniscient, and Almighty; we are not. It doesn't get much less equal than that."

True, but I wansn't talking about god. I was talking about the people on earth. Everybody is equal in my eyes white-asian-black-canadian-european-american-man-women we are ALL born equally. And just because one has more money doesn't make him better, it's just makes him more powerfull.

According to your relligion god created adam en eve right ? and evrybody descended from those 2 (the obsious incenst out of the picture here) but that means we are brothers, and so is evrybody else on this planet. To me anybodywho preaces hate is a tool of "the devil"

You may be able to talk at a few billion people, but can any of them understand you?

talking with, not talking to. So yes they can.

Jesus demands that we judge you vile perverts. Read your Bible fool!


First I'm no pervert(where do you deduct from that I would be - i'm 17). so know we're playing god juging evryone, good job.

quote: Read your Bible fool!

I'm prety shure that swearing and calling people names isn't any good either.


Quote: Belgium is a cesspool of filth. Not only is queer marriage allowed there, but bestiality is perfectly legal. Trust me, Jesus hates all you abominations.

Well its because it was the firts time anyone ever did that. Nobody ever though anyone would be weard enough to do that. They'll probanly make it a law now. (really who thinks of something like that ?)

In the US you're ARE ready for any kind of weardo (you probably have lost of them !) and you have some stupid ones to!

litteral from Us lawbook:
-It is illegal to sell one's eye.
-When two trains meet each other at a railroad crossing, each shall come to a full stop, and neither shall proceed until the other has gone.
-It is illegal to take more than three sips of beer at a time while standing.
-It is illegal for one to shoot a buffalo from the second story of a hotel.
-A recently passed anticrime law requires criminals to give their victims 24 hours notice, either orally or in writing, and to explain the nature of the crime to be committed.
-X-rays may not be used to fit shoes
-All lollipops are banned.
-A law to reduce crime states: "It is mandatory for a motorist with criminal intentions to stop at the city limits and telephone the chief of police as he is entering the town.
-It is illegal to paint polka dots on the American flag.
-People may not buy a mattress on Sunday.
-All motor vehicles must be preceded by a man carrying a red flag (daytime) or a red lantern (nighttime) fifty feet in front of said vehicle.
-It is illegal to pretend that one's parents are rich.
-One may not spit on a bus.
-Car dealers may not show cars on a Sunday.
-(colorado)It is legal to challenge a police officer, but only until he or she asks you to stop.
-It is a misdemeanor to shoot at any kind of game from a moving vehicle, unless the target is a whale.
-Animals are banned from mating publicly within 1,500 feet of a tavern, school, or place of worship.
-At one time, margarine was illegal in Wisconsin
-It is illegal to cut a woman's hair in Wisconsin.
-At a wake, mourners may eat no more than three sandwiches. (Massachusetts)

the list goes on and on...
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Default Re: hello - 08-10-2007, 02:58 PM

Ok I realise there are lots of mistakes in my text, again my apologies
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Well its because it was the firts time anyone ever did that. Nobody ever though anyone would be weard enough to do that. They'll probanly make it a law now. (really who thinks of something like that ?)
That's because nobody in Belgium ever read the Holy Bible!


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Default Re: hello - 08-10-2007, 03:32 PM

Why do the Eurotrash always try so hard to convince Godly Americans that their disgusting and sinful way of life is PREFERABLE to America?

I don't see Chinamen paying pirates to smuggle their daughters into Belgian sweatshops and sex dens....
I don't see Messicans stuffing themselves 27 at a time into secret compartments to become busboys and day laborers in Denmark....
I don't see Cubans setting sail for Germany in boats made out of cardboard, duct tape, and the gas tank from a 1957 Buick...

What I see is people around the world wearing Nike shoes, not wooden sneakers, or whatever you people used to wear before there was an America. I see people lining up at Starbucks in St. Petersburg, crowding the McDonalds in Macau, drinking Pepsi in Paris, smoking Marlboros in Madrid, listening to iPods in Italy, and using Windows in Wiesbaden. I'll bet the last movie you saw was American, the last music you listened to was American, and the last starlet you ogled was American.

You can try and argue that you're not backward Eurotrash that's going to be crushed by the Godly Force of Righteous American Superiority, but you know deep in your little, stinky-cheese-clogged heart that America could smash you like a little cockroach any time we feel like it. Just keep it up, punk, and that day may come sooner than later!!

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