[SD the fool]

"Anyway they didnt bother mentioning the planets very much in The Bible, so i dont get why they are such a big deal for some people, and those are the same people who thinks the earth is like 4 billion years old, its so ridiculous that its laughable "

Well, maybe they weren't mentioned in the bible because they hadn't been descovered yet. Also the world isn't 4 billion years old. It's 4.54 billion years old. If you believe in God, then why do you hate people who aren't like you? Didn't God say to love thy neighbor, and treat others as you would like to be treated?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Originally Posted by bbbbbb

"Anyway they didnt bother mentioning the planets very much in The Bible, so i dont get why they are such a big deal for some people, and those are the same people who thinks the earth is like 4 billion years old, its so ridiculous that its laughable "

Well, maybe they weren't mentioned in the bible because they hadn't been descovered yet. Also the world isn't 4 billion years old. It's 4.54 billion years old. If you believe in God, then why do you hate people who aren't like you? Didn't God say to love thy neighbor, and treat others as you would like to be treated?

And just who is my neighbour?

That's right: fellow Christians not unsaved trash who are destined for Hell.

Have you even read the Bible cover to cover?

YIC

[Professor Bessemer]

Originally Posted by RealityoftheUniverse

The Scripture is contridcting what your eyes are seeing.



When you're taking about other planets, I'm assuming you're talking about planets, such as Mars, Jupiter, Saturn etc. Like I said, they are real. You can see them with your eyes. That's a fact which you cannot deny. They orbit the same why the Earth orbits.

You have the burden of proof my friend. You come onto our privately funded forum and tell us we are all wrong and expect us to simply take your word for it. Please. That is not how things work. Scripture is what we base our beliefs on, pure and simple.

[IdiocyofMYUniverse]

Originally Posted by Professor Bessemer

...tell us we are all wrong and expect us to simply take your word for it.

Well, you're in denial of what you can see with your own eyes. A couple of examples,





We can calculate it's orbit, size, mass etc. using mathematics. It's that proof enough? To be honest, even If, for some reason or another, someone sent you to one of the other planets, such as Mars, you still wouldn't believe it because you'll be too injected into your book.

Originally Posted by Professor Bessemer

Scripture is what we base our beliefs on, pure and simple.

That's completely fine with me, but i just want to ask, does that mean you have to deny what you can clearly see and calculate?

[James Hutchins]

I have never seen anything like those artist representations you posted. You tell me when and where to look and I'l go outside tonight and look. But if I do not see them, I expect a full and complete retraction from you.
I live in Virginia, if that helps.

[Zechariah Smyth]

Originally Posted by RealityoftheUniverse

Why did you ban him, then? If you wanted he to make a introduction forum thread, the only way possible is if he had an account - that's logic. If someone got something wrong, I wouldn't ban, kick, scream, bully etc. at them. I would help them understand the truth. You should have guided him to the 'truth' isn't of banning him which may have resulted in him not acknowledging the 'truth'.

Maybe you should focus more on Your Walk with Jesus and less on shortcomings of other Unsaved Trash.

(1 Peter 4:15) "But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters."



Yours in Christ,

Z. Smyth

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Originally Posted by RealityoftheUniverse

Well, you're in denial of what you can see with your own eyes. A couple of examples,





We can calculate it's orbit, size, mass etc. using mathematics. It's that proof enough? To be honest, even If, for some reason or another, someone sent you to one of the other planets, such as Mars, you still wouldn't believe it because you'll be too injected into your book.



That's completely fine with me, but i just want to ask, does that mean you have to deny what you can clearly see and calculate?

Ever heard of Photoshop?



YIC

[IdiocyofMYUniverse]

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

I have never seen anything like those artist representations you posted.

It's not an artist representation. It's real photos of the planets from a good telescope. You didn't know this because you've never tested it because you don't want to acknowledge the truth that there are other planets than Earth.

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

You tell me when and where to look and I'l go outside tonight and look. But if I do not see them, I expect a full and complete retraction from you.
I live in Virginia, if that helps.

The photos I've show you are from a good telescope. If you want to see the planets like these photos, then you'll need to use a good telescope. If not, then you can use binoculars, even though not that much details. If all else fails, then you've got your own eyes.

Many major observatories and planetariums provide this sort of info (and you have a good planetarium in Richmond), as does Sky & Telescope magazine, on their websites. Anyhow, low in the west at sunset you have Venus and Jupiter. In a week or so they will be joined by Mercury. Saturn rises near the time of sunset. You can see uranus at any point between May and September from your position.

For websites, this is likely the easiest and most 'user-friendly' that I'm aware of.

http://www.heavens-above.com/

Enter your location (several different ways possible) and then look at the 'whole sky' - and enter the time of the evening (and date..) you are interested in. The sky chart given can be printed out - and if you hold it *over* your head, you will see that east/west/north/south correspond (they don't if you hold it 'down').

Originally Posted by Dr Laurence Niles

Ever heard of Photoshop?

I don't think Photoshop existed in the 70's.

Anyway, you know that isn't not from Photoshop because, clearly, you have shown you don't know what you can and cannot do on Photoshop. You can see the planets with your own eyes or from other equipment for better detail.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by RealityoftheUniverse

You can see the planets with your own eyes or from other equipment for better detail.

What you're saying is if you can see something through equipment, it must be real?

[IdiocyofMYUniverse]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

What you're saying is if you can see something through equipment, it must be real?

I'm talking about telescopes specifically in theses posts.

You can see the planets with your own eyes. You can see the planets through a telescope which was made by professionals & companies for the reason of exploring space. There is NO need to fake this. Even if they did, with millions, if not, billions of people around the world having telescopes, and there was not one person who could prove it's fake? You can dismantle the telescope and look at all the electronics inside to see how it was made. You can build a telescope yourself, if you had the knowledge, and get similar, if not, the same result looking at the planets.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by RealityoftheUniverse

I'm talking about telescopes specifically in theses posts.

Me too. They're simply a gadget, just like the viewfinder.

Originally Posted by RealityoftheUniverse

You can see the planets with your own eyes.

I can see stars with my own eyes, but I can love God with my whole heart.

Originally Posted by RealityoftheUniverse

You can see the planets through a telescope which was made by professionals & companies for the reason of exploring space. There is NO need to fake this.

People have been trying to justify rejecting God's Will since the beginning of time (Genesis 3:2-6).

Originally Posted by RealityoftheUniverse

Even if they did, with millions, if not, billions of people around the world having telescopes, and there was not one person who could prove it's fake?

People have proven Allah isn't the One True God, but millions, and billions of muslims around the world don't believe it. People have proven evolution isn't real, but millions, and billions of scientists still go on as if it were. There's a lot to be gained for proving one's false beliefs, dear.

Originally Posted by RealityoftheUniverse

You can dismantle the telescope and look at all the electronics inside to see how it was made. You can build a telescope yourself, if you had the knowledge, and get similar, if not, the same result looking at the planets.

That seems like an awful lot of trouble to find out what I already know: God's Word is sufficient for all things (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

Why do you continue to deny Him? What's in it for you?

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Originally Posted by RealityoftheUniverse

I'm talking about telescopes specifically in theses posts.

You can see the planets with your own eyes. You can see the planets through a telescope which was made by professionals & companies for the reason of exploring space. There is NO need to fake this. Even if they did, with millions, if not, billions of people around the world having telescopes, and there was not one person who could prove it's fake? You can dismantle the telescope and look at all the electronics inside to see how it was made. You can build a telescope yourself, if you had the knowledge, and get similar, if not, the same result looking at the planets.

Telescopes don't have electronics, they have mirrors a a hollow bit in the middle.

YIC

[SD the fool]

Originally Posted by Dr Laurence Niles

And just who is my neighbour?

That's right: fellow Christians not unsaved trash who are destined for Hell.

God loves everyone, not just a select few who think that they are better than everybody else. Love thy neighbor means everyone, nomatter what race or religion. The bible teaches love, not the hate. You read and treasure the bible, you should know that!

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by RealityoftheUniverse

It's not an artist representation. It's real photos of the planets from a good telescope. You didn't know this because you've never tested it because you don't want to acknowledge the truth that there are other planets than Earth.



The photos I've show you are from a good telescope. If you want to see the planets like these photos, then you'll need to use a good telescope. If not, then you can use binoculars, even though not that much details. If all else fails, then you've got your own eyes.

Many major observatories and planetariums provide this sort of info (and you have a good planetarium in Richmond), as does Sky & Telescope magazine, on their websites. Anyhow, low in the west at sunset you have Venus and Jupiter. In a week or so they will be joined by Mercury. Saturn rises near the time of sunset. You can see uranus at any point between May and September from your position.

For websites, this is likely the easiest and most 'user-friendly' that I'm aware of.

http://www.heavens-above.com/

Enter your location (several different ways possible) and then look at the 'whole sky' - and enter the time of the evening (and date..) you are interested in. The sky chart given can be printed out - and if you hold it *over* your head, you will see that east/west/north/south correspond (they don't if you hold it 'down').



I don't think Photoshop existed in the 70's.

Anyway, you know that isn't not from Photoshop because, clearly, you have shown you don't know what you can and cannot do on Photoshop. You can see the planets with your own eyes or from other equipment for better detail.

Oh. So you lied. Gotchya.
You cannot see them, you need 'special equipment' like what Mrs. Etheldreda displayed.


I saw the following this morning.

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by bbbbbb

God loves everyone, not just a select few who think that they are better than everybody else. Love thy neighbor means everyone, nomatter what race or religion. The bible teaches love, not the hate. You read and treasure the bible, you should know that!

2nd Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

[IdiocyofMYUniverse]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

People have been trying to justify rejecting God's Will since the beginning of time (Genesis 3:2-6).

We are trying to find the truth.

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

People have proven Allah isn't the One True God, but millions, and billions of muslims around the world don't believe it. People have proven evolution isn't real, but millions, and billions of scientists still go on as if it were. There's a lot to be gained for proving one's false beliefs, dear.

They haven't proven Allah isn't the One True God, nor have they proven Evolution isn't real. Lies, again.

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

That seems like an awful lot of trouble to find out what I already know: God's Word is sufficient for all things (2 Timothy 3:16-17).

It may be, but you'll find the truth of the existence of the other planets.

Originally Posted by Dr Laurence Niles

Telescopes don't have electronics, they have mirrors a a hollow bit in the middle.

Telescope do have mirrors, however, relating to the electronics will depends what telescope you're talking about.

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

Oh. So you lied. Gotchya.
You cannot see them, you need 'special equipment' like what Mrs. Etheldreda displayed.

I haven't lied about anyway. I'm just expressing the truth which you can't accept. You can see them. Look up at the night sky and you'll see the stars. Most are other suns, but there are a few that are planets. Therefore, you can see the planet. If you want to see them in detail, though, you need a telescope. That's logic. Get a telescope and you'll see the other planets.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by RealityoftheUniverse

We are trying to find the truth.

I have just the place for you to find it!

And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 8:32

Originally Posted by RealityoftheUniverse

They haven't proven Allah isn't the One True God, nor have they proven Evolution isn't real. Lies, again.

Why do you call me a liar without so much as looking into what I say? That's very rude, and it certainly isn't how an intelligent person finds information, dear.

Originally Posted by RealityoftheUniverse

It may be, but you'll find the truth of the existence of the other planets.

All your so-called "truth" relies on denying the Word of God first, then finding some gadget that makes your premise sound plausible. You can't simply argue that because you don't understand something, your belief system must explain it. That's just silly!

[IdiocyofMYUniverse]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

Why do you call me a liar without so much as looking into what I say? That's very rude, and it certainly isn't how an intelligent person finds information, dear.

Because Evolution is fact! If you, or someone else, proved it wrong, It would be all over the media, and would be the big thing in the Scientific community. Can you prove the evidence that it's fake?

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

All your so-called "truth" relies on denying the Word of God first, then finding some gadget that makes your premise sound plausible. You can't simply argue that because you don't understand something, your belief system must explain it. That's just silly!

Seriously, you cannot deny what you can see with your own eyes. You can see the planets in the night sky. You can see it in detail with a telescope. Denying it just because a book doesn't mention it is just silly and ignorant. It is irrational to allow your life to be governed by faith which is based on a something other than evidence.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by RealityoftheUniverse

...It is irrational to allow your life to be governed by faith which is based on a something other than evidence.

Now show where the Bible tells us to be "rational".

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by RealityoftheUniverse

We are trying to find the truth.

I see

.....I haven't lied about anyway. I'm just expressing the truth which you can't accept. You can see them. Look up at the night sky and you'll see the stars. Most are other suns, but there are a few that are planets. Therefore, you can see the planet. If you want to see them in detail, though, you need a telescope. That's logic. Get a telescope and you'll see the other planets.

I asked you where to look. You told me I could not see them but I needed a telescope. I questioned that and you repeat, that all I need to look up and see them, along with many Suns.
Friend, there is only one Sun. There are many Stars, completely different things.
Daniel 8:10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mark 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

1 Corinthians 15:40 There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

Revelation 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

No where in the Bible does it say that Stars are 'extra Suns'. Being God created everything, don't you think He would know what He was talking about?