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Default Joy to the world - 01-05-2018, 05:30 PM

Hi I am back on the road and online. Agnostic Anglican and admirer of the Catholic aesthetic. At this festive time of the year I cannot help thinking of the Nativity. How God gave his only son to redeem any one who came to him regardless of nationality, gender or race. And to think when Jesus was born the US of A didn't even exist.
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Default Re: Joy to the world - 01-05-2018, 05:42 PM

Well, hello and a cautious back to you, dear!

Are you ready to repent for your sins and accept Jesus into your heart now?
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Hi I am back on the road and online. Agnostic Anglican and admirer of the Catholic aesthetic. At this festive time of the year I cannot help thinking of the Nativity. How God gave his only son to redeem any one who came to him regardless of nationality, gender or race. And to think when Jesus was born the US of A didn't even exist.
Love and peace.
You do know the Nativity was originally a diorama created by a Catholic pedophile to justify stealing babies from local mothers to lay them in the outdoor manger to sacrifice to Satan, don't you? St. Franny built them outside small towns and villages to the amusement and delight of the local population. But when morning came and there was found a frozen baby, clearly violated by the wandering monk and his tranny entourage, he ran away and hid in caves, covering himself with bat guano to avoid capture, and also as anal lubrication, reportedly. Then he'd wander to another village and do the whole thing over again. This is your hero. Disgusting.


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Default Re: Joy to the world - 01-08-2018, 12:37 PM

Thank you Basilica and Mary for replying.The Nativity I was refering too was the event not the models. However did you know in Portugal it is the custom to have a model of a shepherd having a crap. Great to be back
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Thank you Basilica and Mary for replying.The Nativity I was refering too was the event not the models. However did you know in Portugal it is the custom to have a model of a shepherd having a crap. Great to be back
I'm not surprised. After all, we all know the Portuguese people are lazy, rude, ugly, drug selling catlics.


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Hi I am back on the road and online. Agnostic Anglican and admirer of the Catholic aesthetic.
Does that mean you have a "thing" for choirboys?
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At this festive time of the year I cannot help thinking of the Nativity.
I suppose that this is an improvement on what usually occupies your mind.
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How God gave his only son to redeem any one who came to him regardless of nationality, gender or race.
There were other conditions and perhaps you should mention them and tell us how many you ignore.
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And to think when Jesus was born the US of A didn't even exist.
God made the world - the land was there - it was simply waiting, and God knew that it would become the USA and thus, your point is lost on intelligent Christians.
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Bearing in mind how insufferable you are, there is some irony in this.

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Default Re: Joy to the world - 01-09-2018, 12:55 PM

Dear EzekielThank you for your reply. The Catholic aesthetic is the expression of the Christian faith in painting, sculpture and architecture. It is and important part of Western culture.
As for assuming I practice immoral and illegal practices that could come across as being rude and aggressive.
Christianity is a corner stone in the history of western identity and does not just belong to people who think all Catholics are paedophiles. ( and I am neither roman Catholic but lapsed Anglican and also happily married)
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Christianity is a corner stone in the history of western identity
Indeed. It is the ideology which gave us the moral right to conquer all corners of the world, to subdue all non-white so-called "people," to make them into our slaves and to kill off the ones who did not want to be subdued.

Just as Catholic bishops felt good about mass-baptizing freshly chained African slaves (knowing well that 90% of them would not survive the trip to America), the Christian plantation owners on the receiving end of the slave trade felt good about treating their slaves as cattle. Without Christianity (being the only true religion in the whole world), our ancestors might have felt uneasy about doing such things. Yet their Christian identity allowed them to overcome such moral dilemmas and sleep well at night.
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Dear Basilissa I do not argue with the outline of history you gave. Exploitation and cruelty happened then ( perpetrated by Catholics and imperialists) and it happens today. But the balance of World power shifts and who knows what the historian will say about Russia China and America. Wars death economic turmoil etc.However I do respect the good work Baptists do. I often meditate on the achievements and Sacrifices of that great Baptist minister Martin Luther King.Love and Peace.
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Dear Basilissa I do not argue with the outline of history you gave. Exploitation and cruelty happened then ( perpetrated by Catholics and imperialists) and it happens today. But the balance of World power shifts and who knows what the historian will say about Russia China and America. Wars death economic turmoil etc.However I do respect the good work Baptists do. I often meditate on the achievements and Sacrifices of that great Baptist minister Martin Luther King.Love and Peace.
I will skip your open and absurd provocation here. I am going to use my time to outline what I think is the best thing we Baptist do.


We carry the word of God as it is. For most of the so-called "Christians" God is an imaginary friend that gives confort and always agree with them ("Did I do wrong, my God" "Of course not my Son"); and in time of sadness is an imaginary authority to shout at ("Why God, why?)


For us God is our creator, and it is not like we would like Him to be, but as He is. He wiped the entire humanity because they had become something different than He wanted to, while He had the power to also do other things instead of flooding the entire flat Earth. For example, He could have simply appeared in the sky, killed one or two people, and then warn the others to behave well. But no, He decided otherwise and He knows better than us.


He is homophobic, xenophobic, pro-patriarchy and racist; and we have to be ok with it.


He does not like kids very much. Ok, I grant you that Jesus said let the kids come to me, but the story of a she-bear killing 43 children for making fun of a prophet strikes me as not liking them very much. You know, kids make fun, that's their thing.


He promotes a system that punishes rapists with marriage with the victim. That could be seem as an extreme punishment, I mean, married for life?


That is the God we praise and love, and fear. He is the one to take us with Him to Heaven!


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Dear Basilissa I do not argue with the outline of history you gave. Exploitation and cruelty happened then ( perpetrated by Catholics and imperialists) and it happens today.
But you need to learn to distinguish between unjustifiable exploitation and cruelty, and between Biblically justified exploitation and cruelty. The first one is bad, the second one is good. The quickest way to know if a specific case of exploitation and cruelty is bad or good, is to check whether there are True Christians™ on the exploited or exploiting end of it.

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Who cares about what historians think?

As Christians, we only care about what God thinks - and Brother Gonzalez just gave you a good executive summary of what God thinks.

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There is a logical contradiction in your statement there. Mr. King was a person who did not read the Holy Bible, because if he read it he'd have known that he should stay meek and keep his mouth shut in hopes of achieving Salvation!
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Thank you all for your thought provoking replies. I have a much clearer understanding of true Christianity™. I was educated in the Anglican face as I have mentioned. The emphasis was on the new testament, that Christ rewrote the word and all we had to do was follow his teaching. Which cancels out all that repressive and archaic ideology. The strength of Christianity lies in the forgiveness of sins being done to us and to not do sin ourselves. Also the encouragement to to charitable acts and help those in need. (In Catholicism you have the seven Virtues and the seven acts of charity.) Christians are expected to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the imprisoned and forgive sins done to them.

However I am very worried about how true Christians™ will cope in heaven. Will the only souls there be White right wing Americans? Who will you bitch about for eternity?

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Thank you all for your thought provoking replies. I have a much clearer understanding of true Christianity tm. I was educated in the Anglican face as I have mentioned. The emphasis was on the new testament, that Christ rewrote the word and all we had to do was follow his teaching.
Oh, really?

Then why did He say this:

Matthew 5:17-20
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Because I always assumed, that the above verses were part of His teaching. Are you saying I was wrong?

Do you think Jesus was joking about that? Do you think He was just kidding when He said we have to follow the OT laws more strictly than the scribes and Pharisees? If so, which part of the Bible leads you to such conclusion?

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Which cancels out all that repressive and archaic ideology.
Please provide appropriate Bible citation, because it seems to me that you are making this up.

You see, it can be easily argued that the New Testament ideology is more "repressive" than the Old Testament ideology - especially in regards to women's role in society.

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The strength of Christianity lies in the forgiveness of sins being done to us and to not do sin ourselves. Also the encouragement to to charitable acts and help those in need.
Yes. And as history of Christianity teaches us, enslaving heathens and forcefully converting them to Christianity is one of the most widely accepted charitable acts.

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However I am very worried about how true Christians tm will cope in heaven. Will the only souls there be White right wing Americans? Who will you bitch about for eternity?
Don't you worry about us, sweetie. Read the Bible, I mean really, really read it, the whole thing (not just look at a few verses that your pastor points out to you) and maybe there will be hope for you.

I will pray for your soul.
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Hello Mr. Meek!


I apologize for my late greeting. The beginning of the semester is always a busy time for me.


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How God gave his only son to redeem any one who came to him regardless of nationality, gender or race. And to think when Jesus was born the US of A didn't even exist.
Love and peace.
Well, we know that the USA does exist, and we even have archival and archaeological proof that it existed for the past 300 years.


On the other hand, we have no such proof for the existence of Jesus, so your comparison doesn't make much sense.

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The Catholic aesthetic is the expression of the Christian faith in painting, sculpture and architecture. It is and important part of Western culture.
Sure. So is Nazi art for German culture, and Soviet socrealism (socialist realism) art for Russia. You might enjoy the aesthetics, but you also have to remember the pain, suffering, and exploitation which made it possible.


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This was already addressed by Miss Basilissa, but since you weaseled your way out of answering what she wrote on the subject, I'll reiterate: Christianity is important in the history of European identity because it is the ideology which justified everything that Europeans did to non-Europeans.


Basically, since Christianity was adopted as the state religion of the failing Roman state, it immediately began to be used to justify persecution of everyone who was not Christian. Is that an important part of European identity? Undoubtedly. Is that a commendable part of European identity? I don't think so, but you are free to present arguments otherwise, and I will try to evaluate them as objectively as I can.

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Thank you all for your thought provoking replies. I have a much clearer understanding of true Christianity tm. I was educated in the Anglican face as I have mentioned. The emphasis was on the new testament, that Christ rewrote the word and all we had to do was follow his teaching. Which cancels out all that repressive and archaic ideology.

Well, this lovely community does follow Jesus' teachings, 100%. You might find some of their behaviors repulsive, but they are Biblically correct indeed. I suggest that you familiarize yourself a bit more with the Bible, and eventually you will realize that the Landover Baptist Church is one of a very few Christian churches which actually do follow what Jesus said, instead of making up whatever they want.


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You see, it can be easily argued that the New Testament ideology is more "repressive" than the Old Testament ideology - especially in regards to women's role in society.
Thank you for reminding us of that point. There is no equivalent of Deborah in The New Testament. I will read Judges again today.

Now this meek. I had a question which did puzzle me and I'm happy to link to it again:


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Thankyou for all the responses i have had. I respect all people of faith and delight in the idea that there is more to life than the quest for pleasure and the gaining of wealth. I am an agnostic Anglican, and I looked up why.your church uses the Anglican king James version? I found no answer, and chuch members refused to answer. Could be that you are an unrecognized branch of the church of England? Maybe the landrover church could lead me to faith.
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Why do you respect the faith of people who think you should be murdered?


That seemed fairly straightforward to me. Not complicated.
Why do you respect the faith of people who think you should be murdered?

There really are a lot of people out there who think I should be murdered simply for what I believe, regardless of whether I act on those beliefs. They say we should all be murdered, and although not all of their creed are tasked with carrying out the murders (just as not all Anglicans are tasked with missionary service) nevertheless the murders are carried out whenever possible. One day, according to their faith, everybody will have been murdered who disbelieves their nonsense and the world will be purely theirs. All of them look forward to that day and strive in their own small ways to make it happen. If they did not endorse the murderers they would repudiate their faith because it is an article of their faith that the murders should be carried out.

Now I do not respect that faith and I do not respect any person.of. that faith. I do not respect them in any way. To inherit a world vacated due to a campaign of murder is absolutely revolting to me and anyone who does not reject such a faith disgusts me. So I was surprised to read in that post that someone could respect all people of faith. hence my curiosity. This is the long version. I await clarification on the point.

As I say, it seems fairly straightforward to me. Not complicated.
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Christians are expected to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the imprisoned and forgive sins done to them.
We don't get too many naked people around Landover, and as far as I am aware, Jesus never mentioned them.

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Maybe to meekly post from ye clothing optional enclave at burning man is as good as it gets now that February is passing by, the effect is wearing off and a memory is all that remains.

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God gave his only son to redeem any one who came to him regardless of nationality, gender or race.
A liberal interpretation of "whosoever" John 3:16 because although Redemption is afforded across the broadest platform the conditions of acceptance are not the same for all claimants. Perhaps THE MEEK will include Scripture in any reply. But I am not sanguine; the width of the gate and broadness of the way leading to destruction, chosen by so many, is mentioned for a reason Matthew 7:13-15 and agnostic Anglicans admiring the catholic aesthetic are prime candidates for slithering down ample well oiled gutters. Glugg, Glugg, Glugg, says the pope unspeakable slime cloying his airways. But what did Jesus say?
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Now if Frank Liar advanced posing as a baa-lamb, even if he were empty handed, I'd be very circumspect. Not admiring of the catholic aesthetic. Totally not. I don't make claims without checking out unfamiliar topics. Frank is a liar, sure, we all know that because we've read The Bible. What about his filth gutter? Don't take my word for it. Leonardo did the groundwork, I just added a protractor, nothing really but the results are here for you to form your own opinion.

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