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Default Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music? - 01-20-2007, 08:51 AM

Now, who is thy neighbour?

Well, have a look at your Bible!

The word is used quite frequently. In nearly all cases, it's clearly a reference to someone involved in one's life. Here are but a handful of examples, but I suggest you go through and check ALL of the other instances for yourself to confirm my testimony:

Deuteronomy 4:42
That the slayer might flee thither, which should kill his neighbour unawares, and hated him not in times past; and that fleeing unto one of these cities he might live:

Deuteronomy 5:20
Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.

Joshua 9:16
And it came to pass at the end of three days after they had made a league with them, that they heard that they were their neighbours, and that they dwelt among them.

Ruth 4:7
Now this was the manner in former time in Israel concerning redeeming and concerning changing, for to confirm all things; a man plucked off his shoe, and gave it to his neighbour: and this was a testimony in Israel.

2 Samuel 12:11
Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.

1 Kings 20:35
And a certain man of the sons of the prophets said unto his neighbour in the word of the LORD, Smite me, I pray thee. And the man refused to smite him.

Psalm 79:4
We are become a reproach to our neighbours, a scorn and derision to them that are round about us.

Proverbs 27:10
Thine own friend, and thy father's friend, forsake not; neither go into thy brother's house in the day of thy calamity: for better is a neighbour that is near than a brother far off.

Habakkuk 2:15
Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness! <-- God gets mad if you get your neighbor drunk and then look in his drawers. Do we know anyone who would do such a thing?

Zechariah 8:16
These are the things that ye shall do; Speak ye every man the truth to his neighbour; execute the judgment of truth and peace in your gates:


In fact, in the whole of the Old and New Testaments, neighbour is used almost exclusively in the same sense as we do today, to mean someone next door, or nearby, or the people in the adjacent land. The only exceptions:


Leviticus 19:18
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Here, the "neighbour" is any of the children of your people. NOT other peoples. YOUR people.

Finally, Jesus does at one point give an alternative definition of neighbour when asked:


Luke 10:27-37

And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?

And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.

And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.

But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,

And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.

And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.

Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

He that showed mercy to the mugged man. That's who the mugged man's neighbor was. Not the ones who passed by, not the thieves. ONLY the one who showed mercy and helped.

Now, you will be quick to say, Jesus is also saying that we should BE neighbor to those in need. Agreed! But once again, He tells us to be neighbor to those in need of our help, who are unable to help themselves. Not all mankind, not those who try to harm us, not those who hate God.

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Default Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music? - 01-20-2007, 08:54 AM

So what you're saying is that Neighbour is a metaphor for anybody we know?

In other words: It is not literal. Thus: You cannot take EVERY WORD of the Bible literally.

However you're quite right. God says your neighbour is anybody involved in your life. If you loved everybody involved in your life: You would not hurt them. If they loved everybody in their life, be them black, gay, straight, bi, tall, short, asian, skinny, smart, dumb, smelly, or insanely attractive: Then nobody would end up hurting anybody would they?

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Default Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music? - 01-20-2007, 09:01 AM

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So what you're saying is that Neighbour is a metaphor for anybody we know?

In other words: It is not literal. Thus: You cannot take EVERY WORD of the Bible literally.

However you're quite right. God says your neighbour is anybody involved in your life. If you loved everybody involved in your life: You would not hurt them. If they loved everybody in their life, be them black, gay, straight, bi, tall, short, asian, skinny, smart, dumb, smelly, or insanely attractive: Then nobody would end up hurting anybody would they?

Unless you're a wife-beater.
I said nothing about metaphors. I just illustrated for you how neighbour is defined in the Bible. It CLEARLY does not mean "all mankind". In fact, it fairly explicitly rules out people of other peoples, and those not near to us.

Did you not read what I wrote? Or did you, like Pastor Feelgood, look for what you wanted to see and skip the rest?

Also, Jesus' Great Commandment and His second commandment are, by His own words, the supports for the rest of the law. The Law tells us to stone homosexuals and bisexuals. And to hate and kill those who do not follow God.

You really need to read your Bible, boy. We can't put it all into your head for you, Piecemeal.

Stop imagining what it MIGHT say, if it was what you WANTED it to say. READ IT and FIND OUT what it says.
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Default Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music? - 01-20-2007, 12:42 PM

I must say Floyd, that while you appear to have studied your subject, you have a great deal to learn.

The roots of the "Metal" music, of which you so fondly refer, go back to the late 1960's with the introduction of the "Fuzz Box" and what was then referred to as "Acid Rock" or "Psychedelic Rock". The Fuzz Box clipped the complex electrical sine wave from the guitar thus producing a representational square wave of the input (often referred to as "distortion") rich in odd order partials. The cross-modulation of these partials can produce what is known as "dissonance". Should you wish to further explore odd order partials you might want to study the compositional use of the clarinet (often referred to as the "Liquorice Stick" - with obvious homersexual connotations), as it is the only classical instrument employing a closed tube cylindrical resonator producing only odd order partials.

Acid Rock was composed, and was meant to be experienced, under the influence of Satan's Eucharist, LSD. There is no other way to "get" the message of this music. Before you get any ideas here, let me assure you that the original formula for the LSD from that period has been destroyed and is forever lost (and Dr. Timothy Leary is now dead). This was due to the efforts of President Richard M. Nixon, who started the first "War on Drugs". In the days before I became a True Christian, I experience this historical music in its intended venue. What ever "Metal" music that has been composed since that time is not only pretentious, but is categorically worthless and totally without merit.

Should you wish to explore the kind of music Christians like, you will find a thread on the subject on these forums.

As far as Rock music in general, you have to look no further than its seemingly endless use of 1-4-5 chord progressions along with simplistic melodic development to come to the conclusion that it is simply boring.

So now you might ask why Rock music continues to be so popular. You have to look no further than your initial post. Those loud driving rhythms are meant to obliterate consciousness and suspend moral judgement. You can observe the hormone driven dancing with the obvious pelvic thrusting movements that accompany it. How about that little twinkle in the loins. It's off with the knickers, isn't it? It is all about fornication.

Now what do you think Jesus would have to say about that?


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Default Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music? - 01-20-2007, 06:23 PM

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You cannot take EVERY WORD of the Bible literally.
So what don't you take literally? That God created this world? That Jesus was His only begotten Son? That Jesus temporarily died on the cross for our sins? Maybe God and Jesus themselves are only fables?
God doesn't play games. He didn't write the Bible thinking, "This part is true, but this part is a metaphor. I will let my foolish creations try to sort out which is which!" To write down His Holy Word and then leave it up to interpretation when our souls are on the line would be downright cruel, and He is only justly and righteously cruel to those who doubt His plain-spoken and literal Word.


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Default Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music? - 01-20-2007, 06:46 PM

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However you're quite right. God says your neighbour is anybody involved in your life. If you loved everybody involved in your life: You would not hurt them. If they loved everybody in their life, be them black, gay, straight, bi, tall, short, asian, skinny, smart, dumb, smelly, or insanely attractive: Then nobody would end up hurting anybody would they?
Wrong.
Nobody said that our neighbour is "anybody involved in our life"..
You're only seeing what you WANT to see, not what anyone actually WRITES.

Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart:
Thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Leviticus 19:17

For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men,
Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude 1:4

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication,
And going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 1:7

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination:
They shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Leviticus 20:13


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A foolish woman is clamorous: She is simple, and knoweth nothing.
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In other words: It is not literal. Thus: You cannot take EVERY WORD of the Bible literally.
Really? Then what could these verses mean?

Proverbs 30:5: Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

Matthew 4:4: But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Luke 4:4: And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.


Note the emphasis on "every word," not "every interpreted meaning" or "every allegory."

Anyway, if we're not supposed to take every word of the Bible literally, explain how you know which parts to take literally and which not to take literally. Obviously, the entire Bible can't be an allegory, a metaphor, or whatever you hippy-dippy liberals say it is this week, as there are things in the Bible that even the Christ-hating atheists acknowledge to be true. So where do you draw the bright line?


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<snipped>...So now you might ask why Rock music continues to be so popular. You have to look no further than your initial post. Those loud driving rhythms are meant to obliterate consciousness and suspend moral judgement. You can observe the hormone driven dancing with the obvious pelvic thrusting movements that accompany it. How about that little twinkle in the loins. It's off with the knickers, isn't it? It is all about fornication...
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Default Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music? - 01-21-2007, 12:51 AM

Such ignorance!

Firstly: William

Heavy Metal has nothing to do with Fuzz Boxes. No Metal band around would use a Fuzz Box. Heavy Metal uses Overdrive or Distortion. Overdrive works by having a signal stronger than the Amp's tubes\electronics can handle and thus it compresses the sound giving it the louder sound. Distortion is basically the same thing but depending on the setting: It can boost the signal a bit more or change the tone a little.

Now what exactly is wrong with that? It is just another sound. As I said: Unless you're going to get converted to Satan by walking past a Jackhammer or a car driving past, there is nothing wrong with it.

Neither is Acid Rock Popular. The only people who listen to it are those who are already using LSD. They dont listen to AR and then get into LSD: It's the other way around. Neither does AR have anything to do with Heavy Metal. Sure: It's loud and noisy, but that's not all Heavy Metal is. Heavy Metal is normally in a minor key, has riffs that are as percussive as they are melodic and the music is a lot more aggressive in general. I'd like to point out that a certain Metallica song has SAVED people from committing suicide. Heavy Metal is all image, it's all an act. It's no more real than Pro-Wrestling.

However: Dont go into Metal. Let's just deal with rock for now mkay? Two entirely different genres.

Secondly you said:
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Those loud driving rhythms are meant to obliterate consciousness and suspend moral judgement.
How so? What exactly makes these loud driving Rythyms obliterate consciousness and suspend moral judgement? How could you criticise Rock music for doing that when your own church worship songs create a similar effect to those in your churches. Holy Ghost? Nope. Sorry. If I tool a song like "Shout To The Lord" and got people to sing it acapella with a swelling orchestra behind it that slowly got louder and louder: It'd have a very similar effect. No lyrics involved at all.

SalvationSeeker: Since you claimed that God does not love the world which is a direct contradiction of John 3:16: You have absolutely no credibility. Your understanding of the Bible is comparable to that of somebody who has actually never read it. You further proved this when you quoted this line:

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Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart:
Thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.


In your own quote it says that you should not hate your brother or wish any sin upon your Neighbour. In other words: Wish no harm upon your neighbour. In other words; You were spectacularly wrong.

Mollychu: Fantasy Rock is a genre. The lyrics are about Medieval fantasy and stuff. Those bands might exist.

However: That's a niche genre. There's niche christian cults like Jonestown as well. I dont see you secluding yourselves from Christianity. There's bad eggs in everything.

Also: I dont see anybody defending or yelling at Christian Rock which I mentioned in the previous page.
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Default Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music? - 01-22-2007, 12:50 AM

Friend, why can't you face the simple fact: EVERYTHING is wrong with rock music.

Does that look like the sort of album a decent, God-fearing person should be listening to? This is what passes for normal, even "hip" and "groovy" among today's rock-dazzled youth!


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Default Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music? - 01-22-2007, 10:22 AM

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SalvationSeeker: Since you claimed that God does not love the world which is a direct contradiction of John 3:16: You have absolutely no credibility. Your understanding of the Bible is comparable to that of somebody who has actually never read it. You further proved this when you quoted this line:
You're really desperate for my attention aren't you?
Actually it's your interpretation of John 3:16 that's wrong, it contradicts many places, such as Psalm 5:5..
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight:
Thou HATEST all workers of iniquity.
Psalm 5:5

You should also read John 13:6 a bit closer:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

"Whosoever believeth in Him" doesn't equal everyone as everyone doesn't believe in Jesus.
Neither have I ever claimed God does not love the world, because if He didn't, why would He try to save anyone?
What I'm saying is: He doesn't love EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD.

Jesus compares it all to a vineyard and a field, yet you would deny God His pruning?
No man would want a field full of thistle and thorns, so why would God want the world full of wicked people?


He answered and said unto them,
He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom;
But the tares are the children of the wicked one;
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Matthew 13:37-40

GOD LOVES HIS FIELD (THE WORLD) WHAT HE DOESN'T LOVE, HOWEVER, ARE THE TARES (SINNERS) POLLUTING IT. (Psalm 5:5)
So get this through your head: Sinners will never enter Heaven!
Jesus compares you to thistles, tares, thorns, and withered branches, and you're all going to get burnt up!
Yeah, He reaaally seems to love you, dont He?

And he began to speak unto them by parables.
A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country. And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard.
And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty.
And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled.
And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some.
Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.
But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.'
And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard.
What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do?
He will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.
Mark 12:1-9

I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:
And every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit:
For without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered;
And men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
John 15:1-6

So I wouldn't talk much about credibility if I were you.
You haven't shown yourself to be very credible..
Tell me, do YOU love the world then?

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In your own quote it says that you should not hate your brother or wish any sin upon your Neighbour. In other words: Wish no harm upon your neighbour. In other words; You were spectacularly wrong.

Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart:
Thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
Leviticus 19:17

So what then would THOU SHALT IN ANY WISE (WAYS!) REBUKE THY NEIGHBOUR mean..
You throw this part out of the sentence and then twist what remains!
However, your grasp of the english language is laughable, and it is painfully obvious that it isn't your first language.
So your attempt at twisting the Word of God fails miserably.

"Not suffer sin upon him" doesn't mean wishing harm or sin upon someone:
It means that you shall not allow him to sin! (That's why we are to REBUKE HIM, duh!)
But don't take my word for it, let's look in the dictionary!

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1 a : to submit to or be forced to endure <suffer martyrdom> b : to feel keenly : labor under <suffer thirst>
2 : UNDERGO, EXPERIENCE
3 : to put up with especially as inevitable or unavoidable
4 : to allow especially by reason of indifference <the eagle suffers little birds to sing -- Shakespeare>
intransitive verb
1 : to endure death, pain, or distress
2 : to sustain loss or damage
3 : to be subject to disability or handicap
synonym see BEAR
- suf·fer·able /'s&-f(&-)r&-b&l/ adjective
- suf·fer·able·ness noun
- suf·fer·ably /-blE/ adverb
- suf·fer·er /'s&-f&r-&r/ noun
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/suffer
Though I cannot see that suffer could mean "wishing harm upon" anywhere.. Can you?

Anyone who actually knows how to speak english could vouch that this is right and that you are.. How was it that you put it?
SPECTACULARY WRONG.


You rode the shortbus to school, didn't you?


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Default Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music? - 01-22-2007, 04:31 PM

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So what you're saying is that Neighbour is a metaphor for anybody we know?

In other words: It is not literal. Thus: You cannot take EVERY WORD of the Bible literally.

However you're quite right. God says your neighbour is anybody involved in your life. If you loved everybody involved in your life: You would not hurt them. If they loved everybody in their life, be them black, gay, straight, bi, tall, short, asian, skinny, smart, dumb, smelly, or insanely attractive: Then nobody would end up hurting anybody would they?

Unless you're a wife-beater.
Friend,

You are falling into the basic trap that all false Christians do; you take only parts of the Bible. God tells us to love our neighbors but to not associate with the unsaved. Therefore no TRUE Christian has a unsaved neighbor so he need not love the unsaved.There certainly are no unsaved in Freehold, Iowa, we would never allow it.

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Default Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music? - 01-22-2007, 05:26 PM

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Friend,

You are falling into the basic trap that all false Christians do; you take only parts of the Bible. God tells us to love our neighbors but to not associate with the unsaved. Therefore no TRUE Christian has a unsaved neighbor so he need not love the unsaved.There certainly are no unsaved in Freehold, Iowa, we would never allow it.

You act like wife beating is something agianst God friend.
Wrong Again Floyd also can't figure out the difference between "metaphor" and "definition".

With such a tenuous grasp of basic linguistics, it's no wonder that he trips all over big words and the not-so-big ideas of the Bible.
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Default Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music? - 01-23-2007, 11:31 AM

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Heavy Metal has nothing to do with Fuzz Boxes. No Metal band around would use a Fuzz Box. Heavy Metal uses Overdrive or Distortion. Overdrive works by having a signal stronger than the Amp's tubes\electronics can handle...
Wrong again, Floyd.

Introductory Electrical Engineering 101 for Floyd:

Amplifiers are generally characterized by their transfer function: y(t) = F(x(t)). The plotting of an individual amplifier curve reveals that it is linear only in a fixed portion of the transfer function. Any "overdriving" will result in driving the output to the non-linear regions of the curve. The only difference between solid state devices and vacuum tubes is that transistors have a much sharper cutoff point of saturation (full clipping). In any case, it results in harmonic and inter-modulation distortion. A similar effect happens when you go beyond the sample size in digital signal processing, but with an absolute cutoff point based on the number of bits.

The "Fuzz Box" is no longer used as instrument amplifier manufacturers have actively incorporated those features in their designs for many years (eg. Marshall). Perhaps you would care to re-read my original post in light of this.

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Heavy Metal is all image, it's all an act. It's no more real than Pro-Wrestling.
Hello Floyd, anybody home? I am not the one that came on this Godly Forum and had the temerity to advance the notion that "Metal" was "music".

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Dont go into Metal. Let's just deal with rock for now mkay? Two entirely different genres.
Rock and Roll ("Rocking") is a double entendre for the sex act ("Good Rocking Tonight" - Roy Brown). Rock, along with the introduction of the birth control pill in 1960 ("The Pill"), were factors in touching off the world wide sexual revolution in that period. Everyone knows this except, apparently, you. Jesus has generally not been too pleased with these developments.

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How so? What exactly makes these loud driving Rythyms obliterate consciousness and suspend moral judgement? How could you criticise Rock music for doing that when your own church worship songs create a similar effect to those in your churches. Holy Ghost? Nope. Sorry. If I tool a song like "Shout To The Lord" and got people to sing it acapella with a swelling orchestra behind it that slowly got louder and louder: It'd have a very similar effect. No lyrics involved at all.
First, I seriously doubt that anything that you "tooled" would have any effect on me. Secondly, A cappella (not "acapella") is singing without instrumental accompaniment. Third, I never said anything about lyrics. But I do not desire to digress further.

Read again what you just wrote, you are basically ceding my point. There is a suspension or altered state of consciousness involved. Now you should follow through with this line of thought and compare and contrast all the art forms that man has devised, painting, sculpture, drama, poetry, architecture, dance, and music and what gave rise to them.


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Default Re: What exactly is wrong with Rock Music? - 01-28-2007, 06:23 PM

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Nonsensical babbling about rock music from a liebral Media Studies homer.
If you actually play a musical instrument, surely you know of the diabolus en musica? Even the Cathylickers recognized that musical intervals are based upon the physics of vibrations; and that the interval of SIX semi-tones has the power to summon the devil or, when used sparingly, Daemonic thoughts.

If you are truly ignorant of this once-banned, but now common device, I refer you to the page of a heathen magickalist that can explain it in full - http://thelemicmusick.net/davidcherubim/tritone.htm

Suffice it to say, that in God's great America, the Devil in Music was rarely heard during the 1700 and 1800s except in slave shacks and bayous. But in the last century, the Negroids corrupted our country (and later the world) with Blues, Jazz, Rhythm, and finally Rock music - all of which PROMINENTLY feature this interval. I can assure you, Robert Johnson used the tritone to prove he had met Satan on the crossroads; and Black Sabbath made their first musical statement/summoning ever on their title song with the SAME SOUND.

That, my hellbound friend, is EXACTLY what is wrong with Rock music. Once the invitation to the devil was sounded, all else followed. Fornicating, groupies, drugs, abuse, addiction, long hair, liebral brainwashing, blaspheming, bat-and-dove-head-biting, crossdressing, gender-bending, gender-switching, crowd-surfing, stage-diving, rioting, roofies, rape, parental disrespect and disobedience, the increased proclivity of cussing, gang violence, cop killing, screwing, blueing, and tattoing are ALL examples of symptoms that became prominent in the last 100 years due to Rock Music. That's not to mention those rock bands that hate Jesus so much that they actively turn their bands into ministries for Satan, such as Deicide (whose lead belcher actually carved an upside-down cross into his forehead).

Back in the '80s, a lead guitarist such as yourself wouldn't have been laboring under so many misapprehensions due to documentaries such as "The Decline of Western Civilization I and II". Musicians knew they were on the frontlines of a cultural war, and they took their stand. Now, however, it becomes apparent that there are too many young musicians who are unwitting dupes of political correctness and Satanic memes. Thus you are unaware of even the thing you study most.


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