[Jeremiah Abernathy]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

Religion is faith, and faith cannot be proven. It is your opinion that if there was no such thing as god, nothing could have existed.

gg trolls

I'm offended that you would liken us to some satanic pagan monster (I am unsure what "gg" means but I assume its stands for something even more offensive). Why did you even bother coming here if all you're going to do is spew hate speech.

[I'mAbeliever]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

I'm offended that you would liken us to some satanic pagan monster (I am unsure what "gg" means but I assume its stands for something even more offensive). Why did you even bother coming here if all you're going to do is spew hate speech.

gg stands for good game.

[GOD=life]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

Religion is faith, and faith cannot be proven. It is your opinion that if there was no such thing as god, nothing could have existed.

Ah, so you concede that you cannot rationally refute any of my points, so you just walk away saying "I won, I won!" Your final "slam dunk" argument is a repetition of what has already been proven false.

You see, that is what blind faith really is: being unable or unwilling to argue your position rationally and instead insist that you're right even though all of the evidence says you're wrong.

We Christians have proven that we will and can argue God's position rationally, calmly and logically. YOU, my friend, are the one who walks away. It's just a reminder, once again, that atheists are illogical due to being disconnected from God and are only interested in hating and spreading their intolerant views.

gg trolls

Good God to you too!

[I'mAbeliever]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

Haha, nice censoring there

[GOD=life]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

Intolerant, as in making everyone who doesn't believe what you believe burn in hell for all eternity?

So we are BOTH telling people they won't go to Heaven. Not much difference, right?

Tolerance by itself is neither a vice nor a virtue. Are you tolerant of pedophiles? What about rapists? Or murderers? You cannot be tolerant of everything because that would lead to a logical paradox.

Oh, and we are aware that people keep vandalizing our wikipedia page. But hey, feel free to point to wikipedia as the source of ultimate truth while dismissing the Bible, which the majority of Americans consider to be Truth.

And speaking of facts... it is of course proven fact that the majority of Americans hold that the earth is approximately 6000 years old. Not exactly the "small cult" that you claim it to be.

Etcetera, etcetera.

[I'mAbeliever]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

So we are BOTH telling people they won't go to Heaven. Not much difference, right?

You tell them they will go to hell and burn forever and ever, I tell them they will cease to exist. Not much difference? Lol.

Tolerance by itself is neither a vice nor a virtue. Are you tolerant of pedophiles? What about rapists? Or murderers? You cannot be tolerant of everything because that would lead to a logical paradox.

Are you telling me atheism is like pedophiles, rapists or murderers?
Though, I have nothing against pedophiles - as long as they choose not to abuse a child. Once they do that, they deserve jail, but then it's their action and not their beliefs/opinions.

Oh, and we are aware that people keep vandalizing our wikipedia page. But hey, feel free to point to wikipedia as the source of ultimate truth while dismissing the Bible, which the majority of Americans consider to be Truth.

1) Again - does the fact that the majority think it's right make it right? Do you think the earth is flat, like the majority did in the past?

And speaking of facts... it is of course proven fact that the majority of Americans hold that the earth is approximately 6000 years old. Not exactly the "small cult" that you claim it to be.

Are you referring to your own link? If so:
1) The question asked wasn't how old the earth was, it was how old HUMANITY was.
2) How do you get 45 % to be "the majority"?

I quite liked that article. Let me quote it:

How does the U.S. compare with other countries in terms of belief in evolution? Not so hot. A study of attitudes in 34 countries published in Science in 2006 shows that the United States ranks last in popular acceptance of evolution except for Turkey. Almost 40 percent of Americans in this study flatly rejected evolution, whereas the comparable numbers in European countries and Japan ranged from 7 to 15 percent. That may partly reflect U.S. high school kids' dismal math and science scores relative to other developed countries, which to my mind underscores a home truth: the more you know, the less you take on faith.

hehe

Etcetera, etcetera.

Oh, please elaborate.

[GOD=life]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

You tell them they will go to hell and burn forever and ever, I tell them they will cease to exist.

So according to your logic, an oncologist is less tolerant than a faith healer.

We shouldn't measure actions by how tolerant or pleasant they are, but a) by how much they are based on reality and b) how critical knowing the truth is to the person we're being "intolerant" to.

Are you telling me atheism is like pedophiles, rapists or murderers?

No, the reason I point to them is because I understand that atheists are also generally intolerant of them.

I am trying to show, through example, that saying "person X is intolerant" doesn't make sense, because you're not saying which thing(s) that person is intolerant of.

Secondly, NO ONE is tolerant or intolerant of everything. It's logically impossible. So you can say, at most, "that person is intolerant of Christians" or "that person is intolerant of atheists" -- both would be equally intolerant, but have diametrically opposed points of view.

I am, for example, very tolerant of the idea of YOU going to Heaven and living a very happy life. Would an "intolerant person" want to be with you forever? Think about it.

What I am intolerant about is that you will go to Hell. So my act of actual tolerance and compassion can be construed to be "intolerant", even though there's nothing but pure love behind it.

... but then it's their action and not their beliefs/opinions.

And yet here you are, blasting our beliefs and opinions. We did not come to your forum, you came to ours.

Perhaps you are confused by the fact that many people go under the label "Christians", even catholics -- who most certainly are very tolerant of pedophiles!

Here, we are True Christians™. Only the people on this forum speak on our behalf, no one else.

1) Again - does the fact that the majority think it's right make it right?

I only called into question your reference to wikipedia. If you lend credence to a vandalized article on wikipedia, then - in that context - it would be silly to not lend credence to the Bible.

The Truth is most definitely not determined by popular vote.

Do you think the earth is flat, like the majority did in the past?

Yes, the earth is indeed flat. We have an article on this forum, if you're interested. There is also a growing group of scientists that support this thesis.

I quite liked that article. Let me quote it:

Of course: both the person who asked the question and the one who answered were biased against Christians. That's the exact reason why I liked to THAT article. If even extremely biased people can grudgingly concede these numbers, then you should too.

But, my argument was that significantly more Americans believe this than what you dismiss as a "small cult". Even assuming than ONLY 1/10 of that 45% really, really believes in this, that's still 13.5 MILLION people. And that's a very conservative estimate.

With other words: you have to retract your "small cult" point. Creationism, the Young Earth variant in particular, is supported by a large number of Americans. We can argue if it's a majority, a super-majority or even a large minority, but it's not a "small cult".

Oh, please elaborate.

If I'm sure you will read and respond to my argumentation, then I have no problem elaborating on any topic.

[I'mAbeliever]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

ha ha ha

You may close this topic. I just realized you're not going to give up trolling (or was it parody they called it?), but it was indeed fun.

[SUV]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

it was indeed fun.

Nothing fun about it. Only Satan smiles

[GOD=life]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

You may close this topic.

We do not need your permission to open or close topics, but thank you anyway.

I just realized you're not going to give up trolling (or was it divine revelation they called it?), but it was indeed fun.

Well, like I already predicted, you will just proclaim victory and then leave. It's the standard "hit and run" atheist style of "reasoning".

Every single one of your arguments has been refuted using logic. Every fallacy of yours has been called out. Your reasoning is weak, even for an atheist. I didn't have to include even a single line of Scripture.

Even your exit strategy is that of a intellectual coward. Here you are on a forum with over half a million posts and thousands of active members... and you proclaim it all imaginary because of >> 1 << vandalized wikipedia page that any stranger on the internet can edit.

So please, can you not offer even a single logical argument? I challenge you to refute even a SINGLE point I've made.

[I'mAbeliever]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

Well, like I already predicted, you will just proclaim victory and then leave.

I have not proclaimed victory, I admitted defeat - I was trolled, I fed the trolls, I lost.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

I have not proclaimed victory, I admitted defeat - I was trolled, I fed the trolls, I lost.

How were you trolled? A troll comes onto someones site to make trouble, if anything you are trolling us!

Back under your bridge troll.

[GOD=life]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

I have not proclaimed victory, I admitted defeat - I was trolled, I fed the trolls, I lost.

Ah, so you are "admitting defeat", but on the basis of being trolled and not because you failed to present a cogent rational argument? You are really going out of your way to make my rational domination over you as hollow as possible, sheesh.

I am just minding my own business here and working for God. You are the one who came to our forum. Did I sign up to your forum? No. You signed up to mine.

Your intellectual cowardice continues to amaze me.

I will pray for you.

[I'mAbeliever]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

How were you trolled? A troll comes onto someones site to make trouble, if anything you are trolling us!

Back under your bridge troll.

Ah, so you are "admitting defeat", but on the basis of being trolled and not because you failed to present a cogent rational argument? You are really going out of your way to make my rational domination over you as hollow as possible, sheesh.

I am just minding my own business here and working for God. You are the one who came to our forum. Did I sign up to your forum? No. You signed up to mine.

Your intellectual cowardice continues to amaze me.

I will pray for you.

Hehe

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: How can you say you KNOW god exists?

You have stuck me on an irrelevant dilemma - you think it's God, I don't know what it is, but I choose to believe everything happens naturally and most things are up to chance.

Wrong answer sinner and I know for a fact Dawkins or any of the New Atheists would support you. The justification of Atheists of their disbelief in God is because there is no evidence for His existence.

I just gave you proof. You can not have it both ways; you can not be against belief unsupported by facts and for it at the same time.