[OnYourKnees]

Originally Posted by Apollyon

All I can think of is that by chance, a lepton (or quark, not much difference back then) moved a little too much to the left or right, which turned out wasn't the best thing to do, as the whole thing exploded. There are probably a heap of theories about them, but I'd have to read up. For all I know what I just typed is hogwash, in reality there's probably much more maths involved.

Sure sounds like hogwash. One lemming moving in the wrong direction could counter that much gravitational pull? Hmm.

Also, I've seen other theories which propose that TWO superdense blobs collided.

I still don't see any reason to think that blobs colliding is any more feasible than God. Unless, of course, one desperately needs to discredit God to suit one's belief system!

[Brother John]

I'm not mocking God, he might as well have planned it like that all along, and as for the beginning of the universe, it's actually still one of the most plausible explanations... More so than *poof* matter!
Plus, I know practically nothing about quantum physics on that level. If I wanted to act smart, I'm learned in different fields

Anyhow, the gravitational pull as we know it (Newton's mechanics, mass attracts mass) might, as other laws, not be valid on that level.
Hey, other theories even propose that two dimensions collided, and hey presto...

Excuse me if my debauchery seems offensive, I'm just posting what I hear and believe, with all nuances included of course.

[Brother Sydup]

Sorry Pastor Ezekial for questioning your knowledge on the subject. I only wonder if the Bible is an accurate historical document. Consider this:

- Genesis contains two different creation stories. One starts at Gen 1:1 and the other starts at Gen 2:4. If you read them side by side, you will see that the order in which man, plants, animals and woman are created is different.

- Matthew 2:1 says Herod was king when Christ was born. Luke 2:2 says Quirinius was the governor of Syria when Joseph and Mary traveled to Bethlehem for the census. Herod died in 4BC and Quirinius was not made Governor of Syria until 6AD.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Originally Posted by Apollyon

Well, if you trace back the expansion, in whatever direction it may be going, it renders a shrinkage.. And if things shrink towards eachother, wouldn't you get a single point (singularity) in the end (beginning)?

If you are going to contemplate the eternal and metaphysics, you are going to have to leave behind the orthogonal three-dimensional little minds of the great unwashed of humanity. There is the fourth dimension known as space-time. Since the universe is expanding from all perspectives, we can all claim to be the "center" of the universe. My neighbor (one of the world's top cosmologists before his untimely demise) used to describe it as like being a raisin on top of a bran muffin rising in the oven. Indeed, this is one of the problems with the "big bang" theory. It does not explain just where the "singularity" and the start of the universe's expansion is located.

There are some other problems with the "big bang" theory. It does not explain where all the matter and energy came from. Scientists today understand everything a few microseconds past the "big bang", things like the "quark soup", but are only speculating on the "singularity". The presently understood laws of physics break down beyond that point. Keep in mind here that there is a distinction between the "origins" of the universe and its "creation".

If things once really blowed up real good, then the universe would be homogeneous (and we would all be homers). This is not the case as the universe as we observe it is "clumpy". Matter is not evenly distributed everywhere and the sexes are different.

It seems that every time a gathering of people get a few pints of beer in them they start asking silly questions like why is one testicle larger than the other (and similarly, why is one bazoom larger than the other). The answer is that is why we are here. The universe is asymmetrical. There is more matter than anti-matter. The "big bang" has no answer for this.

Scientists have been busy working on these little problems and coming up with new theories (most likely under the influence of the previously mentioned celebratory fluids). Some of the latest "inflation" theories suggest that it does not take all that much matter to make a universe. One of them postulates that you could make one in your basement with as little matter as some fuzz from your navel. You might think that the resulting explosion could be used to blow up some mooselims, but that is not the case. The resulting concentrated mass would be so great that space would curve in on itself and that fuzz would simply disappear from view. Would creating a universe in your basement be like playing God? Well the Bible (KJV1611) does tell us that we are created in his image. It is possible that our universe was created in someone's basement in another universe.

[Alaric Reinner]

You are wrong God created the earth and you silly Baptists will go to hell and suffer for falling into the false religions that Satan as lured you in with it is sad that you have been given false hope from Satan I hope that one day you will realize what a fool you have been and convert.

God tricks the people of science for his own amusement and lets them think they have found a different path away form god to test their faith.

[Mrs. Mary Whitford]

Originally Posted by Alaric Reinner

You are wrong God created the earth and you silly Baptists will go to hell and suffer for falling into the false religions that Satan as lured you in with it is sad that you have been given false hope from Satan I hope that one day you will realize what a fool you have been and convert.

God tricks the people of science for his own amusement and lets them think they have found a different path away form god to test their faith.

I'm confused. You're obviously wrong about us being doomed to Hell, but you are right that God created the Earth and "science" is a joke. So where do you disagree with us Biblically?

[OnYourKnees]

Originally Posted by Alaric Reinner

You are wrong God created the earth and you silly Baptists will go to hell and suffer for falling into the false religions that Satan as lured you in with it is sad that you have been given false hope from Satan I hope that one day you will realize what a fool you have been and convert.

God tricks the people of science for his own amusement and lets them think they have found a different path away form god to test their faith.

Alaric, you start out beautifully, stating that God created the earth.

But then you say Baptists (who also believe that God created the earth) will go to hell for following Satan's false religions, and that we should convert to some unnamed religion!

Is it possible a demon slipped in and typed "Baptist" where you meant "Catholic" or "scientist"? Do you, perhaps, have a cat or rabbit in the house?

Oh, and your finish is beautiful as well. Also, it is Biblically correct; God does indeed love to "send strong delusion" to those who deny Him, "that they should believe a lie" and be damned.

[Alaric Reinner]

Well I feel sorry to say what I said above was a load of bonk from MY perspective though yours may be different.

It was originally a long-term plan of mine to give you a view of how the people like the dud feel though some time afterward I realized that I shouldn’t bother and hope to come out and explain multiple situations, without your constant satire.

As for the post topic I would say it is well timed though I remember from somewhere that in biblical times the people lived to 200+ years old have you accounted for things like that if true?


Though one thing separates me from those atheists I am not here to try and attempt to force you away from your religion, but only here to learn from yours and hopefully give you insight in other people's perspective for I believe that:

Fear and ignorance will destroy the world.

P.s. the irony is that i would have been a Baptist IF your public schools taught deaf people.

[OnYourKnees]

Originally Posted by Alaric Reinner

Well I feel sorry to say what I said above was a load of bonk from MY perspective though yours may be different.

Well, yes, True Christian Baptists going to Hell certainly does seem a load of bunk. I'm glad you were just being silly, instead of telling awful lies about God's Favorite Church!

It was originally a long-term plan of mine to give you a view of how the people like the dud feel though some time afterward I realized that I shouldn’t bother

Er, you hoped to give us a view of what it's like to invade a Church forum with insults and idiotic one-liners? We've already seen that from Dud and his Belgian pals. Why would we need to see it again?

and hope to come out and explain multiple situations, without your constant satire.

I assure you, every True Christian here takes the Word of God just as seriously as he takes the threat of eternal Hellfire!

You make it sound as though we treat the Bible the way most False Christians do . . . you know, the people who pick out the bits they like, and use the rest as toilet paper!

As for the post topic I would say it is well timed though I remember from somewhere that in biblical times the people lived to 200+ years old have you accounted for things like that if true?

Yes. When the age of the earth was calculated, it made use of the generations as delineated in the Bible.

Though one thing separates me from those atheists I am not here to try and attempt to force you away from your religion, but only here to learn from yours and hopefully give you insight in other people's perspective for I believe that:

Fear and ignorance will destroy the world.

We're always happy to have intelligent discussion with people who hate God. Perhaps you might learn something here, and we might also learn something useful in witnessing to others who hate God who might be Saved.

Oh, and GOD will destroy the world, not fear and ignorance. However, ignorance of God's Law or fear of His Divine Love WILL lead to the eternal damnation of your soul.

P.s. the irony is that i would have been a Baptist IF your public schools taught deaf people.

Um . . . OK.

[WilliamJenningsBryan]

Originally Posted by Alaric Reinner

You are wrong God created the earth and you silly Baptists will go to hell and suffer for falling into the false religions that Satan as lured you in with it is sad that you have been given false hope from Satan I hope that one day you will realize what a fool you have been and convert.

God tricks the people of science for his own amusement and lets them think they have found a different path away form god to test their faith.

Every TrueChristian™ here knows the God created the universe, there is no question about it. It is in the one true Bible (KJV1611). We know the Biblical age of the earth by doing some simple calculations from scripture.

We here at Landover are constantly under attack for our beliefs. We are fortunate to have the resources of Landover University and can answer every question. What we get here is a constant stream of unsaved heathens that are incapable of even correctly articulating or understanding the views held by sickular scientists. We often have to correct their mistakes and show them that these views not only don't make common sense, but often lead to comical conclusions.

[Brother Temperance]

Originally Posted by Alaric Reinner

P.s. the irony is that i would have been a Baptist IF your public schools taught deaf people.

There is no irony: clearly, God has not chosen you for salvation, and so He has made you deaf:
Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?