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Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ? -
05-27-2008, 11:35 PM
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No, he is not.
Perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension, Ducksnot.
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Yes he is, With the Hipocrates oath medical doctors are sworn never to intentionally hurt a patient. It's a standard practice for medical doctors to take this oath. That is what he means with the Hippocrates era, the era where doctors began to take the oath.
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Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ? -
05-28-2008, 12:02 AM
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Yes he is, With the Hipocrates oath medical doctors are sworn never to intentionally hurt a patient. It's a standard practice for medical doctors to take this oath. That is what he means with the Hippocrates era, the era where doctors began to take the oath.
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Then why did he not say that?
Are you a mind reader? If so, I believe Herr Doktor would like to speak with you.
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Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ? -
05-28-2008, 08:06 AM
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Then why did he not say that?
Are you a mind reader? If so, I believe Herr Doktor would like to speak with you.
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Snottyduck is right about the oath.
But no I was indeed talking about the person, born 460BC on Kos (And i dont even need to google that, go me) . Read the header for this topic... "Religion"
Relegion does not exclsuively mean christianity my friend, "Religion through time has held back modern medicine" in no way indicates I was talking about any religion in particular.... So prehaps it's your reading comprehension that needs some work.
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05-28-2008, 03:55 PM
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Snottyduck is right about the oath.
But no I was indeed talking about the person, born 460BC on Kos (And i dont even need to google that, go me) . Read the header for this topic... "Religion"
Relegion does not exclsuively mean christianity my friend, "Religion through time has held back modern medicine" in no way indicates I was talking about any religion in particular.... So prehaps it's your reading comprehension that needs some work.
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Hope VI -
Please tell us how the Greeks' pantheistic religion held back Hippocrates.
Please tell us how early Islamists (the people in Spain who preserved all the Greek/Roman writings while Christ-hating Catholic Pagans were burning them) held back medicine and learning.
Hmm?
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Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ? -
05-28-2008, 04:18 PM
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Your still wrong.... Even if we agree with you over Hitler (which i dont). Do the maths. WW2 , an Athiests war as you call it doesn't even come close to the total death toll of all of the religious war's through history.
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Ok here is an idea, say the opposite to what you concluded, and you will have the truth.
72,000,000 [2] World War II - 6,000,000 jews if you like.
36,000,000 [5] An Shi Rebellion
60,000,000 [7] Mongol Conquests
25,000,000 Manchu conquest of the Ming Dynasty
30,000,000 [10] Taiping Rebellion
19,000,000 World War I.
9,000,000 [14] Russian Civil War
This is a list of the worlds bloodiest wars with wiki links, preceded by their estimated death tolls, in bold are the religious totals, not in bold are the atheist totals.
ATHEISMS KILL MORE PEOPLE IN WAR.
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Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ? -
05-28-2008, 04:28 PM
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Ok here is an idea, say the opposite to what you concluded, and you will have the truth.
72,000,000 [2] World War II - 6,000,000 jews if you like.
36,000,000 [5] An Shi Rebellion
60,000,000 [7] Mongol Conquests
25,000,000 Manchu conquest of the Ming Dynasty
30,000,000 [10] Taiping Rebellion
19,000,000 World War I.
9,000,000 [14] Russian Civil War
This is a list of the worlds bloodiest wars with wiki links, preceded by their estimated death tolls, in bold are the religious totals, not in bold are the atheist totals.
ATHEISMS KILL MORE PEOPLE IN WAR.
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Where do you get the idea that these millions of people were atheists? Or are you one of those simpletons who believes that simply saying something, or writing it down, makes it truth?
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Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ? -
05-28-2008, 09:28 PM
Ridiculous. Everyone knows that Religion and Politics are the two BEST and MOST EFFICIENT ways of weeding out the sub-human trash-- the inferior sub-human garbage, the stupid ignorant filth, the animalistic inferiors-- where they belong.... in their camps and ovens. How else are you going to keep humanity pure?
Oh, sure, you criticize, but what solutions to YOU have for cleansing the rotting filthy masses of breath-stealing stinking hoardes of inferio0rs? Of what shall we make our xylophones and piano keys, if not from the bones of disgusting sub-human vermin? What, exactly, is YOUR solution to the Negro, Catholic, Asian, Jew, Mudslime, Canuck, Cripple, Demoncrat and Euroscum question, if not massive, systematic and total extermination? Huh, smartypants? What's a reasonable alternative?
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Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ? -
05-29-2008, 08:58 AM
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Hope VI -
Please tell us how the Greeks' pantheistic religion held back Hippocrates.
Please tell us how early Islamists (the people in Spain who preserved all the Greek/Roman writings while Christ-hating Catholic Pagans were burning them) held back medicine and learning.
Hmm?
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Hippocrates was the first man to think about medicine in a scientific light, before that all the old practices where based on the principles of religion (which lets be fair isn't going to help you much)
The theory of the four humours was the first breakthrough in medical scientific thinking, Yes... it was wrong. But it was still the turning point for modern day medicine.
So religion before that did hold back medicine. Hell early religion would have called for smashing a hole in your head to let the 'evil spirits' out when you had a headache....
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Also to the guy above, what solution could I make ? Simple, for one power or country to conquer every nation on the earth eradicating all of what you discribes as "inferiors".
Hitler was a madman, and in your minds a sinner. But would the world have been a better place if he had succeeeded ?? If the british had sided with him at the beginning of the war as Hitler had asked them to do what would have been the outcome, For a start america would never have dropped 'littleboy' as it wouldn't have been created in time... who knows.
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Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ? -
05-29-2008, 02:28 PM
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Hippocrates was the first man to think about medicine in a scientific light, before that all the old practices where based on the principles of religion (which lets be fair isn't going to help you much)
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All misfortune, illness included, is from God and is a punishment for sins. Petitioning God, via prayer is the way forward. Secular medicine is of the devil, as it works to defeat God’s purpose.
2Ch:16:12: And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.
2Ch:16:13: And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign.
Job:13:3: Surely I would speak to the Almighty, and I desire to reason with God.
Job:13:4: But ye are forgers of lies, ye are all physicians of no value.
Job:13:5: O that ye would altogether hold your peace! and it should be your wisdom.
Job:13:6: Hear now my reasoning, and hearken to the pleadings of my lips.
Job:13:7: Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him?
Job:13:8: Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God?
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The theory of the four humours was the first breakthrough in medical scientific thinking, Yes... it was wrong. But it was still the turning point for modern day medicine.
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How can something that even you say was wrong be a turning point?
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So religion before that did hold back medicine.
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See above, prayer is still a sovereign remedy if God so wills.
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Hell early religion would have called for smashing a hole in your head to let the 'evil spirits' out when you had a headache...
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All I can say is that your medical and biblical knowledge are equally abysmal. One wonders why you bother commenting.
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Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ? -
05-29-2008, 09:48 PM
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Where do you get the idea that these millions of people were atheists? Or are you one of those simpletons who believes that simply saying something, or writing it down, makes it truth?
Do you believe everything you read on the Innernets, or in some book?
Here's a news flash for you, son. Someone writing something down doesn't make it true.
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What are you talking about?
Someone told me religious warring killed more people then any other, so I brought up the figures of religious and non-religious wars, non-religious wars have caused much more death.
Therefore, rather then the "religious" people to be to blame for war deaths, the non-religious people are, what do we call non-religious people? Atheists.
So if someone is claiming that religious wars are something to shame religion with, you can just turn right around and show them just how many people die in wars when God is not on peoples minds.
God by comparison is merciful and loving, sure he can kick major ass, but his love for us shines through when we see how many die when people fight over greed rather then God.
Atheist wars are far more to blame, shame on atheists.
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Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ? -
05-29-2008, 10:32 PM
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Hippocrates was the first man to think about medicine in a scientific light, before that all the old practices where based on the principles of religion (which lets be fair isn't going to help you much)
So religion before that did hold back medicine. Hell early religion would have called for smashing a hole in your head to let the 'evil spirits' out when you had a headache....
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Please show us exactly how a religion prior to Hippocrates actually held back medicine. The fact that people hadn't figured out medicine before his time doesn't mean that someone was holding them back.
Why don't you look up ancient Egyptian medicine? Pre-Hippocrates, yet they were using aspirin (willow bark) and other treatments we still use today, and which have been "proven" by your "scienticians" to work. Do you deny that they had a strong demon-worshipping and God-hating religion?[/quote]
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What are you talking about?
Someone told me religious warring killed more people then any other, so I brought up the figures of religious and non-religious wars, non-religious wars have caused much more death.
Therefore, rather then the "religious" people to be to blame for war deaths, the non-religious people are, what do we call non-religious people? Atheists.
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And what do we call Catholics like Hitler? Mary-worshipping, idolatrous, hellbound Catholics. That's why all his soldiers wore belt buckles saying "Gott mit uns". It's not asking whether they had their handgear, but rather stating their belief that God was with them.
Your claims of Hitler and all other major war-leaders in hostory being atheist is laughable. Why, there are more happy emos than there are atheists!!
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Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ? -
05-29-2008, 10:34 PM
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And what do we call Catholics like Hitler? Mary-worshipping, idolatrous, hellbound Catholics. That's why all his soldiers wore belt buckles saying "Gott mit uns". It's not asking whether they had their handgear, but rather stating their belief that God was with them.
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War wasn't fought over religion, only the holocaust, that's only 6m of the 72m deaths.
Even if you want to excluse ww2, that still doesn't bring the figures level. Atheist wars kill more people, go check.
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Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ? -
05-29-2008, 10:50 PM
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War wasn't fought over religion, only the holocaust, that's only 6m of the 72m deaths.
Even if you want to excluse ww2, that still doesn't bring the figures level. Atheist wars kill more people, go check.
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You haven't shown me a SINGLE war fought by atheists!!
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Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ? -
05-30-2008, 12:27 AM
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72,000,000 [2] World War II - 6,000,000 jews if you like.
36,000,000 [5] An Shi Rebellion
60,000,000 [7] Mongol Conquests
25,000,000 Manchu conquest of the Ming Dynasty
30,000,000 [10] Taiping Rebellion
19,000,000 World War I.
9,000,000 [14] Russian Civil War
This is a list of the worlds bloodiest wars with wiki links, preceded by their estimated death tolls, in bold are the religious totals, not in bold are the atheist totals.
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God as motive for war, 36m (including holocaust). God not as motive for war, 136m.
That is just the bloodiest wars, believe me, most other wars with death dolls below this are also not religiously motivated too.
Frankly, the Taiping Rebellion was hardly about God. Hong Xiuquan was just pretending to be Jesus's brother to start a bunch of violence. He's very like a Catholic, ACTUAL Christianity barely enters his mind, and he spends most of his time just using it to control people.
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Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ? -
05-30-2008, 02:30 AM
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God as motive for war, 36m (including holocaust). God not as motive for war, 136m.
That is just the bloodiest wars, believe me, most other wars with death dolls below this are also not religiously motivated too.
Frankly, the Taiping Rebellion was hardly about God. Hong Xiuquan was just pretending to be Jesus's brother to start a bunch of violence. He's very like a Catholic, ACTUAL Christianity barely enters his mind, and he spends most of his time just using it to control people.
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I don't know much about "death dolls", but I'd say using religion to control people makes for a False Christian war, not an atheist war.
An atheist war would be one in which no religion is invoked, not where your OPINION is that the leader was not sincere in his professed faith!
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Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ? -
05-30-2008, 07:46 AM
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And what do we call Catholics like Hitler? Mary-worshipping, idolatrous, hellbound Catholics. That's why all his soldiers wore belt buckles saying "Gott mit uns". It's not asking whether they had their handgear, but rather stating their belief that God was with them.
Your claims of Hitler and all other major war-leaders in hostory being atheist is laughable. Why, there are more happy emos than there are atheists!!
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Wrong, those who served under the Waffen-SS and SS Didn't have the "Gott Mit Uns" belt, they used another type with no markings toward God.
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Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ? -
05-30-2008, 09:53 AM
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Wrong, those who served under the Waffen-SS and SS Didn't have the "Gott Mit Uns" belt, they used another type with no markings toward God.
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I'll keep this simple Mr. Smarty Pance. Then why was the official Nazi religion "believer unto God"? Besides 95 per cent of German troops wore those buckles in both wars.
Even more, those of the SS that did not follow the state official religion were mixed up in some type of Woten worship.
So what's your point besides demonstrating to us yet again your Nazi sympathies?
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Re: Religions causing wars/killings, God's intention ? -
05-30-2008, 10:29 AM
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The theory of the four humours was the first breakthrough in medical scientific thinking, Yes... it was wrong. But it was still the turning point for modern day medicine.
How can something that even you say was wrong be a turning point?
Clearly my knowledge of history is better than yours good sir.
Before hippocrates's theory of the four humours the general thoughts and attitudes towards illness's where that they where caused by spirits / gods / past sins etc. All completely wrong.
The theory of the four humours was the first time that medicine was looked at in a scientific way and was the turning point for modern medicine.
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05-30-2008, 11:36 AM
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I don't know much about "death dolls", but I'd say using religion to control people makes for a False Christian war, not an atheist war.
An atheist war would be one in which no religion is invoked, not where your OPINION is that the leader was not sincere in his professed faith!
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Yeah that is why I counted the Taiping Rebellion as religious.
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05-30-2008, 03:28 PM
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Yeah that is why I counted the Taiping Rebellion as religious.
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Show me wars where religion was not involved.
You, sir, are being disingenuous. You call a war an "atheist war" if the specific reason for the war is not "invasion to promote the Word of God".
An "atheist war" would be a war fought by atheists and without invoking of religion. Essentially EVERY war involves the invocation of religion, whether we are talking about the Nazis' holy war to cleanse Europe of the Jewish pestilence or the American crusade against Islamofascists.
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