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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 06-16-2009, 06:20 AM

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Well, there ain’t no secret about what good old Brother Jessup thinks about them blasphemous, heathen Catholics and their fearless leader in the Vatican:



Wake up people! The Protestant Reformation happened almost 500 years ago! Get with the program! Your beloved beanie wear’n Pope is obsolete; he’s nothing but an old man in a dress and funny hat who’s been given a cushy job because he’s too darn old to molest little boys.


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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 06-16-2009, 06:24 AM

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http://www.bible.ca/sola-scriptura-defended.htm
http://biblelight.net/sola1.htm

As for the church being the final authority. Well, first of that's not what Jesus is saying in that verse. Second, let me ask you something. Why is it that since Vatican II, you are now allowed to eat meat on Fridays but before it was considered a mortal sin? Was the church wrong before? Is the church wrong now? Is the Laws of God as expressed through the church changeable with the times? If the Pope declared that divorce and abortion and adultery were okay, would God be "Bound" to "bind in heaven" what was "bound" on earth?

Why has it taken so long for all the practices of the modern church to come into place if Jesus' founded Catholicism? Or did the 12 Apostles dress up in fancy robes and say the exact same thing for one hour every Sunday in a building full of statues and paintings while the people got a good aerobics work out of sitting, standing, and kneeling before a piece of bread, all in Latin (oh right, why is it that you don't have to say it in Latin anymore???)
As God has never written anything, who's authority are YOU following.

There's a lot of sheep around this site, both in their following and in their brain power.
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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 06-16-2009, 06:30 AM

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If the pope of Rome has so much faith in God, why does he run around in a bulletproof outhouse like that ridiculous "popemobile?" You don't see me or the other True Christian™ Pastors doing that!

Of course, we pack heat...
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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 06-17-2009, 02:40 AM

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Your beloved beanie wear’n Pope is obsolete;
Obsolete? That implies that there was once a time when the Vicar of Rome was relevant.

We're Baptists, not Protestants. Baptists are the original Christians.
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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 06-17-2009, 03:56 PM

Bullocks! You're right! I never really knew until now. Thank you pastor!
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Bullocks! You're right! I never really knew until now. Thank you pastor!
Who are you? Why are you here? What church do you attend? Do you read the King James Bible version 1611? Most new folks introduce themselves before jumping headfirst into a thread.

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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 06-23-2009, 01:41 AM

I had found this website while searching for something else. What I have read on this thread alone makes my head swim. The emense amount of hate is staggering. Some of you try to mask it as truth. Jesus practiced Love and kindness. He excepted people where they were and showed them by HIS actions the WAY. Religion will condem a man, faith will set him free.

I seem to recall Jesus saying Love one another as I have loved you. Now if you belive calling every priest a dirty child molester something Jesus would do, then I guess we have no room for intelectual debat.

I belive that if you say you're a Christian then you belive in Jesus and belive in his word. You treat ALL of gods children with love and respect, not just the ones who you belive are like you. You act more like the Phrases then Christians. Condeming anyone who isnt exactly like you. I wonder how you would treat Jesus if you met him now. A man who, in this day, treated everyone with love, who helped the poor, ate with sinners, straight and gay.

Jesus is love, not hate, and as "Christians" you should be Humble, loving and caring as was Jesus. It is not your right to Judge others, that is for Him. Judge the sin, not the sinner.

I am a follower of Jesus. I truely belive that if you follow his words Love one another as I have loved you, this world would be a far beter place. That being said I am not nieve enough to think that will hapen.

Religion tears men apart, faith brings them together

Its very sad that so many of you here have so much hate in your hearts for so many of your brothers and sisters.
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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 06-23-2009, 03:28 AM

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I had found this website while searching for something else. What I have read on this thread alone makes my head swim. The emense amount of hate is staggering. Some of you try to mask it as truth. Jesus practiced Love and kindness. He excepted people where they were and showed them by HIS actions the WAY. Religion will condem a man, faith will set him free.
So you think the Catholics rely less on religion than faith? The whole precept of the Catholic church is that faith alone CANNOT save you. You need to have faith, but you also have to baptized and eat special bread and pray to Jesus' mother and give the Pope money. Learn some history. Protestantism was founded by men who were brave enough to tell the truth about the evils of Catholicism and point out what the Bible really says.

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I seem to recall Jesus saying Love one another as I have loved you. Now if you belive calling every priest a dirty child molester something Jesus would do, then I guess we have no room for intelectual debat.
Yes, we clearly have no room for "intelectual debat".

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I belive that if you say you're a Christian then you belive in Jesus and belive in his word. You treat ALL of gods children with love and respect, not just the ones who you belive are like you. You act more like the Phrases then Christians. Condeming anyone who isnt exactly like you. I wonder how you would treat Jesus if you met him now. A man who, in this day, treated everyone with love, who helped the poor, ate with sinners, straight and gay.
Frankly, I don't care what you, er, "belive". I care what the Bible says. Nowhere in the Bible does it say to treat everyone like you. In fact, the Bible is adamant from beginning to end to have nothing to do with those who disobey the Word of God. Catholics are the ones who are like Pharisees. Pharisees added and added onto the simple rules of the Scriptures and got all in a huff when anyone dared point out what was wrong with them. Here's how the Bible tells us to treat unbelievers:

2 John 1: 6And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Yes, Jesus said "love one another." But "one another" was an exclusive group. True Christians.

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Jesus is love, not hate, and as "Christians" you should be Humble, loving and caring as was Jesus. It is not your right to Judge others, that is for Him. Judge the sin, not the sinner.
Did you know "judge the sin, not the sinner" is not in the Bible?

http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showt...p?t=5610#Judge

If you think Christians should not judge others, then this section is for you.

If you think the Bible forbids judging others, then you haven't read it. The Bible forbids superficial judgment based on appearances and it forbids hypocrisy, but it does not forbid judgment. On the contrary, the saved are commanded to pass judgment on others.

Lev 19:15 In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Jn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

I Cor 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

I Cor 5:12-13 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

I Cor 6:2-3 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

Liberal Christians frequently take Matthew 7:1 out of context by claiming that it is prohibition against judging others. The full context is Matthew 7:1-5, and it is a prohibition against hypocrisy.

Matthew 7
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

My job as a Pastor is to find folks who are lost and to try to get them saved. That job would be made a lot harder if I were unable to judge who is lost and in need of salvation.


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I am a follower of Jesus. I truely belive that if you follow his words Love one another as I have loved you, this world would be a far beter place. That being said I am not nieve enough to think that will hapen.
So you don't believe Jesus is going to return to set up His Heavenly Kingdom here on Earth?

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Says the person defending the institution that denies faith as the only means of salvation.

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Its very sad that so many of you here have so much hate in your hearts for so many of your brothers and sisters.
Perhaps you know this verse from Leviticus? 19: 18Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.



But do you know the verse directly before it?


17Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.



Written plainly in the Word of God. To love your neighbor means to judge them and rebuke them, and tell them everything they are doing wrong. If you don't do this, you hate your neighbor. The reason is because if you let people go on sinning you are letting them go to hell!


I'll pray for you.

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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 06-23-2009, 05:10 AM

Where in what I wrote did you find that I said I was Catholic, I am not.

"So you think the Catholics rely less on religion than faith? The whole precept of the Catholic church is that faith alone CANNOT save you. You need to have faith, but you also have to baptized and eat special bread and pray to Jesus' mother and give the Pope money. Learn some history. Protestantism was founded by men who were brave enough to tell the truth about the evils of Catholicism and point out what the Bible really says."

You dont have to agree with a religion, but to make sport of it shows a lack of respect that isnt called for. Catholics belive what they belive, just as you do. The use of the term "Special bread" shows a contempt which shocks me comming from a "pastor" I feel the need to correct you on the "praying to Jesus' mother" Catholics dont do that either. Any who say the do are a bit misinformed. They are asking Mary to interceed on their behalf to her son Jesus. Once again you dont need to belive what they do to show respect for their faith in Jesus.



"Says the person defending the institution that denies faith as the only means of salvation"

Once again I am not defending the Catholic church. That statement applies for all religions, including yours my friend.

I belive faith with out works is dead. You can claim to belive all you want but without actions it means nothing.


"Did you know "judge the sin, not the sinner" is not in the Bible? It was a phrase invented by a Godless heathen Indian by the Mahatma Ghandi, who has be writhing in the fiery pits of hell for 60+ years now."

Its sad that you take great joy that any child of god is "writhing in the fiery pits of hell" The statement "Godless heathen Indian" is full of hate. How can you hope to change the hearts of men with hate? Let me ask you a question, Would you deny peace to the world if a non christian were to bring it about?


"So you don't believe Jesus is going to return to set up His Heavenly Kingdom here on Earth?"

I belive, saddly, that the only way there will be peace on earth is for Jesus to come again. It is in part because of people like yourself that we have such a divide between followers of Jesus. You should embrace your Love of Him, not squable over the differences.


"Yes, Jesus said "love one another." But "one another" was an exclusive group. True Christians."

I disagree. Jesus loved everyone. He died for everyone. If the definition of a christian is one who is like Christ, then should you not love all people as did Christ. You dont have to agree with hopw someone lives their life, you can even tell them you disagree, but if you claim to follow Jesus shouldnt you be doing it with the love and joy that comes from knowing and loving him? Not from a place of self rightousness, anger, and hate.

"If you think Christians should not judge others, then this section is for you."

I dont think christians should condem others. Lead by example, live your faith, everyone should be able to see Christ in you. That should be your goal.

"Written plainly in the Word of God. To love your neighbor means to judge them and rebuke them, and tell them everything they are doing wrong. If you don't do this, you hate your neighbor. The reason is because if you let people go on sinning you are letting them go to hell!"

If thats the way you see it, thats the way you see it. Its your calling and your duty then to do that. If you care for your neighbor as you say then why would you not speak to them with love in your heart? Why would you rebuke them with happiness in your heart. You should be humble and carring. Showing them the way not beating them with the Word.
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Matthew 7
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

My job as a Pastor is to find folks who are lost and to try to get them saved. That job would be made a lot harder if I were unable to judge who is lost and in need of salvation. "


Taking from what you have said so far, anyone who is not of your exact thinking is in need of salvation. That making it very easy and with no amount of judging needed. As you have so thoughtfully quoted Mathew 7 1-5 Allow me to urge you to take a good hard look at it. It would seem alot of the people on here could due with rereading that. Perhaps a beter way to look at it is, Who among you is without sin. None of us are. None of us are perfect, and if you think yourself so you are in more need of salvation then those you seek to save.


We all have free will, that was the way it was meant to be. You should respect that. You can lead people to heaven by your actions, you cant drag them their agaisnt there will. Jesus loves all of his children equally, those that you call saved and those that you say will burn in hell. In the end its not up to you or I who is allowed into heaven or sent to hell.
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Who among you is without sin.
I am.

Every other True Christian is.

Don't get me wrong, some of us were sinners in many, many ways. The stories we could tell...

But, as soon as you are Saved, you can no longer sin. And if we would sin, we were never Saved in the first place.


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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 06-23-2009, 05:42 AM

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I am.

Every other True Christian is.

Don't get me wrong, some of us were sinners in many, many ways. The stories we could tell...

But, as soon as you are Saved, you can no longer sin. And if we would sin, we were never Saved in the first place.

I have to disagree. The idea that once you are saved you cant sin is rediculous. That would mean that your free will would be gone, and to say that if one were to sin, that they were never saved to begin with is laughable. Thats a loop hole to save a false arguement. To walk on the path takes a concious choice. Someone isnt "saved" then losses the ability to ever sin again. We chose to sin or not to sin, just as we chose to be saved or not to be saved.

That is my point, you were a "sinner" , you HAVE sined therefor you are not perfect. Jesus is, he alone, will judge.
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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 06-23-2009, 05:53 AM

Im catholic, so wtf, lol, lmfao.
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That is my point, you were a "sinner" , you HAVE sined therefor you are not perfect. Jesus is, he alone, will judge.
Friend, have you ever cracked open a Bible before you called me a sinner?

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

You can disagree until the proverbial cows come home, but you can not argue against God.


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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 06-23-2009, 06:10 AM

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Friend, have you ever cracked open a Bible before you called me a sinner?

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

You can disagree until the proverbial cows come home, but you can not argue against God.
Brother, you know that the Word of God is not to be found in some musty old Bible! God's Word is in the hearts and minds of everyone who seeks Him! It's written on the face of every child, on the petals of every delicate flower, and in the eyes of every <snort> innocent puppy and bunny <giggle> rabbit!




Oh, I can't do it! It's too ridiculous! I tried to imitate one of them, but this parody business is just too hard for me, I'm sorry!

How can these people take themselves so seriously? They claim that God's Word is in their imaginations, and ignore the Book HE GAVE US to TELL US what He thinks!!

Well, I suppose it's not really THAT funny when we consider they'll go to Hell for their error.

Nope, not funny.



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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 06-23-2009, 06:30 AM

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Where in what I wrote did you find that I said I was Catholic, I am not.
Where in what I wrote did you find that I said you were Catholic, I did not.

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You dont have to agree with a religion, but to make sport of it shows a lack of respect that isnt called for. Catholics belive what they belive, just as you do. The use of the term "Special bread" shows a contempt which shocks me comming from a "pastor" I feel the need to correct you on the "praying to Jesus' mother" Catholics dont do that either. Any who say the do are a bit misinformed. They are asking Mary to interceed on their behalf to her son Jesus. Once again you dont need to belive what they do to show respect for their faith in Jesus.
They have no faith in Jesus. Anyone with faith in Jesus would not do this:

[quote]Once again I am not defending the Catholic church. That statement applies for all religions, including yours my friend.[/img]

I resent that. I do not have a religion. I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ! We are quite close.

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I belive faith with out works is dead. You can claim to belive all you want but without actions it means nothing.
Believe has an "e" in it somewhere, I won't do all the work, I'll let you know. I labor almost every day trying to win souls for Christ. Those are my works. You works are persecuting and hating on followers of Jesus. I hope you are ready to explain yourself on Judgment Day.

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Its sad that you take great joy that any child of god is "writhing in the fiery pits of hell" The statement "Godless heathen Indian" is full of hate. How can you hope to change the hearts of men with hate? Let me ask you a question, Would you deny peace to the world if a non christian were to bring it about?
That's like asking if I would like it to rain donuts instead of water, it's nt going to happen. And yes, I take great joy in all of God's judgments. I'm sorry if you think you know better than God.

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I belive, saddly, that the only way there will be peace on earth is for Jesus to come again. It is in part because of people like yourself that we have such a divide between followers of Jesus. You should embrace your Love of Him, not squable over the differences.
"Saddly" should only have no "d". You see when you post and the little red line appears under it? That means you spelled the word incorrectly. If you right-click on the word, it will show a list of suggested correct spelling. But anyway, you are wrong. We are supposed to endorse one Gospel message, the true one, to the exclusion of all others.

Romans 16:17Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Galatians 1:8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. 10For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

2 Thessalonians 3:6Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

2 Thessalonians 3:14And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.

2 Timothy 2:16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17nd their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. 19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

1 Timothy 1:20Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

2 John 1:9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

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I disagree. Jesus loved everyone. He died for everyone. If the definition of a christian is one who is like Christ, then should you not love all people as did Christ. You dont have to agree with hopw someone lives their life, you can even tell them you disagree, but if you claim to follow Jesus shouldnt you be doing it with the love and joy that comes from knowing and loving him? Not from a place of self rightousness, anger, and hate.
I disagree. I believe Jesus hates the majority of humankind and that Jesus wants to torture them forever. Do you believe Jesus loves the people He sends to hell? That's just sadistic, of course. Jesus takes perfect care of His own. Everyone else though is a different matter.

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I dont think christians should condem others. Lead by example, live your faith, everyone should be able to see Christ in you. That should be your goal.
Do you have scriptural evidence for this?

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If thats the way you see it, thats the way you see it. Its your calling and your duty then to do that. If you care for your neighbor as you say then why would you not speak to them with love in your heart? Why would you rebuke them with happiness in your heart. You should be humble and carring. Showing them the way not beating them with the Word.
I suppose we should all be like you. Let's shut down all the prisons, since we have no right to judge people. Murder, rape, stealing - you can do whatever you want and I won't say a word against you!

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Taking from what you have said so far, anyone who is not of your exact thinking is in need of salvation. That making it very easy and with no amount of judging needed. As you have so thoughtfully quoted Mathew 7 1-5 Allow me to urge you to take a good hard look at it. It would seem alot of the people on here could due with rereading that. Perhaps a beter way to look at it is, Who among you is without sin. None of us are. None of us are perfect, and if you think yourself so you are in more need of salvation then those you seek to save.
Perhaps you should read Matthew 7:1-5 more closely. Particularly verse 5: Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Jesus does not say, "Go on with the beam in your eye, and ignore the mote." He says first, STOP SINNING, and then, TELL YOUR BROTHER TO STOP SINNING TOO!

And all TRUE Christians are without sin:

1 John 3:6Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 5:18We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. 19And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

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We all have free will, that was the way it was meant to be. You should respect that. You can lead people to heaven by your actions, you cant drag them their agaisnt there will. Jesus loves all of his children equally, those that you call saved and those that you say will burn in hell. In the end its not up to you or I who is allowed into heaven or sent to hell.
See, I don't believe that we have free will. I'm a Calvinist. I believe God predetermined before the beginning of time everything everyone would ever do, and the Bible clearly advocates this.

Acts 13:48And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

Romans 8:29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Romans 9: 10And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
12It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
14What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?


Ephesians 1:3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.



2 Thessalonians 2:11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

2 Timothy 1:9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Jude 1:4For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 06-23-2009, 03:08 PM

First let me say how sorry I am if my spelling has offended you.

"Believe has an "e" in it somewhere, I won't do all the work, I'll let you know. I labor almost every day trying to win souls for Christ. Those are my works. You works are persecuting and hating on followers of Jesus. I hope you are ready to explain yourself on Judgment Day."

I havent persecuted anyone, nor do I hate anyone. As for Judgement day Jesus knows what is in a mans Heart, no explanations will be needed.

"I resent that. I do not have a religion. I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ! We are quite close"

Well then this next quote is interesting..."
See, I don't believe that we have free will. I'm a Calvinist"

"That's like asking if I would like it to rain donuts instead of water, it's nt going to happen. And yes, I take great joy in all of God's judgments. I'm sorry if you think you know better than God."

I dont think I know beter then God, I also dont think to know who he choses to allow into Heaven.

Romans 9:
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.


"But anyway, you are wrong. We are supposed to endorse one Gospel message, the true one, to the exclusion of all others"

The problem with that is who's version should we use. You would say yours other Christians would say theirs. I would say the Gospel message is that of Jesus and His teaching. His words are quite clear. You seem to enjoy using quotes from the His followers. I say this to you "the doctrine of Christ" is the message of Love.

"I disagree. I believe Jesus hates the majority of humankind and that Jesus wants to torture them forever. Do you believe Jesus loves the people He sends to hell? That's just sadistic, of course. Jesus takes perfect care of His own. Everyone else though is a different matter"

That has to be one of the most perverse things I have ever seen a person calling themselves a "Christian" say. Jesus loves everyone, he died for everyone. He loves each and every person. I honestly can't belive that you think that. I feel sorry for you.
I dont think Jesus wants anyone to go to hell. Actions are what you will be judged on, and it will be His judgement that sends you one way or the other.

"I suppose we should all be like you. Let's shut down all the prisons, since we have no right to judge people. Murder, rape, stealing - you can do whatever you want and I won't say a word against you"

There is a difference between Judging by a religious standpoint and a legal one. I'm sure we will disagree here, but you dont need to be a Christian to be moral.

"See, I don't believe that we have free will. I'm a Calvinist. I believe God predetermined before the beginning of time everything everyone would ever do, and the Bible clearly advocates this."

So what your saying is God made some people just so he could send them to hell? He made some people just so others could be raped and murdered? He made some people just to kill millions of others? It is now easy to see how you have so much hate in your heart. A cruel god makes for a cruel man.

It comes down to how you read it, and whos bible you are reading it from.

The point I was trying to make was that Jesus is Love, and His love is for everyone. I can see now by your faith you Cant and wont see that.


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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 06-23-2009, 03:14 PM

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Friend, have you ever cracked open a Bible before you called me a sinner?

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

You can disagree until the proverbial cows come home, but you can not argue against God.
I have and as I have stated I believe in free will. That quote doesnt say anything about never being able to sin again.
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Default Re: Why Roman Catholic Papists Are NOT Christians - 06-23-2009, 03:18 PM

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Brother, you know that the Word of God is not to be found in some musty old Bible! God's Word is in the hearts and minds of everyone who seeks Him! It's written on the face of every child, on the petals of every delicate flower, and in the eyes of every <snort> innocent puppy and bunny <giggle> rabbit!




Oh, I can't do it! It's too ridiculous! I tried to imitate one of them, but this parody business is just too hard for me, I'm sorry!

How can these people take themselves so seriously? They claim that God's Word is in their imaginations, and ignore the Book HE GAVE US to TELL US what He thinks!!

Well, I suppose it's not really THAT funny when we consider they'll go to Hell for their error.

Nope, not funny.



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You seem to take the writings of others over the Words in the bible by Jesus himself.
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I have and as I have stated I believe in free will. That quote doesnt say anything about never being able to sin again.
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