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Default Re: A Bible "expert" has come to teach us. - 04-17-2010, 11:12 PM

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Jocelyn, keep your distance its one of them Joo's, they are the ones that KILLED Jesus ( temporally anyway)
Do you not realize that roughly about 10,000 Jews were Messianic during the 1st century (the remnant)? 80-85% of Jews were followers of the Messiah up until around 325 A.D. when Constantine decided to establish his own version of Christianity and turn people against the Jews, persecuting and killing any who would follow their practices. Until 325 A.D., we have a strict Torah following base of Messianics, both Jew and Gentile.

Because a few Jews decided to turn against the Messiah (which was prophecied in Isaiah 53), it does not necessarily follow that all Jews are bad.
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Default Re: A Bible "expert" has come to teach us. - 04-17-2010, 11:17 PM

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Why are you harassing little girls? Are you a Catholic priest?
Funny you mention Catholicism I've been to Catholic masses, and I have always been a bit freaked out by the iconodualism. I brought my Bible, and for the first 5 minutes had it on top of my lap, and then I noticed the priest was saying nothing in regards to what the Bible stated. I promptly put aside my Bible, and took out my notepad. I took notes on the service to get a better understanding of what they practiced and how they did so. I don't think I would follow Roman Catholicism if that was the only movement available.
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Default Re: A Bible "expert" has come to teach us. - 04-17-2010, 11:21 PM

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5But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

6And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Thats what I was saying. The pharisees were trying to say that you had to follow Torah for salvational purposes. Peter says, "No, your salvation is through the grace of your Lord Yeshua"

The Pharisees stated in verse 1 of Acts 15 - 1Some men came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the brothers: "Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved."

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Do you not realize that roughly about 10,000 Jews were Messianic during the 1st century (the remnant)? 80-85% of Jews were followers of the Messiah up until around 325 A.D. when Constantine decided to establish his own version of Christianity and turn people against the Jews, persecuting and killing any who would follow their practices. Until 325 A.D., we have a strict Torah following base of Messianics, both Jew and Gentile.

Because a few Jews decided to turn against the Messiah (which was prophecied in Isaiah 53), it does not necessarily follow that all Jews are bad.
Well that's just ducky, 85% of the Joo's hate Jesus. One good man, and what do you do beat him half to death, make him carry a cross all over town where you people tormented him and then you nail Jesus to the very cross that you made him carry. And if that's not bad enough while the poor man is dieing you stab him in the side with a spear. Whats the matter with you people wasn't he in enough pain for you?
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Default Re: A Bible "expert" has come to teach us. - 04-17-2010, 11:25 PM

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Well that's just ducky, 85% of the Joo's hate Jesus. One good man, and what do you do beat him half to death, make him carry a cross all over town where you people tormented him and then you nail Jesus to the very cross that you made him carry. And if that's not bad enough while the poor man is dieing you stab him in the side with a spear. Whats the matter with you people wasn't he in enough pain for you?
No, Messianic Jews = Jews that believe that Yeshua (Jesus) is the Messiah

And that was the Roman government that issued that punishment (remember Pilate?)
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Default Re: A Bible "expert" has come to teach us. - 04-17-2010, 11:29 PM

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5But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

6And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
The blood of Yeshua is what saved us from sin.
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Default Re: A Bible "expert" has come to teach us. - 04-17-2010, 11:32 PM

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Well that's just ducky, 85% of the Joo's hate Jesus. One good man, and what do you do beat him half to death, make him carry a cross all over town where you people tormented him and then you nail Jesus to the very cross that you made him carry. And if that's not bad enough while the poor man is dieing you stab him in the side with a spear. Whats the matter with you people wasn't he in enough pain for you?
He also gave his life voluntarily. It was people of both the Gentiles and the Jews who turned against him. We are all to be blamed for sin collectively (Have you followed the 10 commandments without flaw?)
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Default Re: A Bible "expert" has come to teach us. - 04-17-2010, 11:34 PM

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No, Messianic Jews = Jews that believe that Yeshua (Jesus) is the Messiah

And that was the Roman government that issued that punishment (remember Pilate?)

WHO ratted Jesus out to the Romans? Yeah that's right the damn joos. Who called for the punishment, yeah that's right the damn joos. Remember Pilate washed his hands of the whole mess because the damn joos where hell bent on killing Jesus.
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WHO ratted Jesus out to the Romans? Yeah that's right the damn joos. Who called for the punishment, yeah that's right the damn joos. Remember Pilate washed his hands of the whole mess because the damn joos where hell bent on killing Jesus.
The Jews who did what? Followed manmade tradition. The Pharisees and scribes who wouldn't accept that Yeshua was the Messiah tried to kill him many times in the Brit Chadashah.

It wasn't just the jews who wanted Yeshua killed. As a matter of fact, he was guilty of treason by Roman law (not Jewish law).
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The Jews who did what? Followed manmade tradition. The Pharisees and scribes who wouldn't accept that Yeshua was the Messiah tried to kill him many times in the Brit Chadashah.

It wasn't just the jews who wanted Yeshua killed. As a matter of fact, he was guilty of treason by Roman law (not Jewish law).
And that gets the Jews off the hook for trying to kill God in the face of overwhelming evidence? The Romans were a bunch of greasy, penis obsessed pagans merely took Jesus for a trouble maker, you have noticed Christ never contested the charges against Him with Pilot, but Jews KNEW better. They had no excuse for not recognizing The Son of God.



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And that gets the Jews off the hook for trying to kill God in the face of overwhelming evidence? The Romans were a bunch of greasy, penis obsessed pagans merely took Jesus for a trouble maker, you have noticed Christ never contested the charges against Him with Pilot, but Jews KNEW better. They had no excuse for not recognizing The Son of God.

Well said Bobby-Joe, joos cant trust none of them.
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Default Re: A Bible "expert" has come to teach us. - 04-17-2010, 11:53 PM

Basically the Jews were able to recognize the Messiah via 4 miracles.

The first miracle was the healing of the 10 lepers. No one had performed a miracle of this magnitude since Moses's sister had been healed prior to the giving of the Torah.

The second miracle was the casting of a demon out of a deaf and mute person. The Jews recognized that in order to cast a demon out of someone, the demon must tell you its name. When the demon responded to Yeshua "My name is legion" and the man was healed, the Jews recognized that as a sign.

The third miracle was the healing of the blind man. According to John 9:32, this miracle had never occurred before. When Yeshua did this, it definitely started an uproar.

And finally, the fourth miracle which confirmed it for many was the restoration of life given to Lazarus's rotting corpse (Jews recognized that a spirit would hang around for 3 days before it would be deemed impossible to raise the person from death). When Yeshua did this, the Jews started to respond;

“Many of the people who were with Mary believed in Jesus when they saw this happen. 46But some went to the Pharisees and told them what Jesus had done. 47Then the leading priests and Pharisees called the high council together to discuss the situation. "What are we going to do?" they asked each other. "This man certainly performs many miraculous signs”” John 11:45-47 (NVL)

Fact is, it was more the Romans who had an interest to kill Yeshua. His uproar caused people to stop the worship of the Emperor and their gods and they started to worship Yeshua. This would have brought the Romans to fear that their nation would be destroyed by the gods.
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And that gets the Jews off the hook for trying to kill God in the face of overwhelming evidence? The Romans were a bunch of greasy, penis obsessed pagans merely took Jesus for a trouble maker, you have noticed Christ never contested the charges against Him with Pilot, but Jews KNEW better. They had no excuse for not recognizing The Son of God.
Since he died for mankind in general to save us from our sins, we are all to blame for this event.

Who said that the Messianic Jews in general were trying to do so? There was a group of Pharisees who wanted their traditions upheld at the time trying to get him killed.
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Fact is, it was more the Romans who had an interest to kill Yeshua. His uproar caused people to stop the worship of the Emperor and their gods and they started to worship Yeshua. This would have brought the Romans to fear that their nation would be destroyed by the gods.
What a well worded reasonable sounding load of horse turds. The Jews already did not worship the emperor. I believe they even had a special allowance where they didn't have to prostrate themselves in front of him either.
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Well said Bobby-Joe, joos cant trust none of them.
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What a well worded reasonable sounding load of horse turds. The Jews already did not worship the emperor. I believe they even had a special allowance where they didn't have to prostrate themselves in front of him either.
Right, but the Romans didn't want any other human to be worshipped at the same time, and Yeshua wasn't helping in their assimilation of the Jews.
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What a well worded reasonable sounding load of horse turds. The Jews already did not worship the emperor. I believe they even had a special allowance where they didn't have to prostrate themselves in front of him either.
I'm not proving that Jews were not responsible. I'm stating that there would have been somewhat of an interest (maybe not from Pontius Pilate) from the Romans to crucify him for treason.
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