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Default Re: Guns thread - 03-15-2008, 06:34 PM

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The .45 auto still has the action noise every time it fires. Anyway, silencing a semi-auto is too easy, or at least too common. There is nothing like the "what the piffle is that?" effect you'd get at a gun range from a silenced revolver that is actually silent. I'd be reloading the thing anyway since bullets are so ridiculously expensive in the proper caliber.

I believe the point I just made was that you won't be reloading Berdan primed 7.65 Russian brass for reasons you stated, and the other reloads won't seal correctly when the cylinder pushes up to the barrel, negating what you consider the most valuable feature of a Nagant. The action noise of a .45 is not substantially greater than cocking and firing a Nagant, except these isn't ten minutes of 'click-click-chunk-clack' while you are trying to cock the thing.

Only sixteen states proscribe ownership of removable silencers. I am aware of the law because I have been am FFL for about thirty years. It does not apply to me anyway because, as an appointed Special Deputy Federal Marshal (one of the perks of having the Bush family in our church), I am exempt from the private ownership laws.

Be that as it may, building a 'proof of concept' silenced 125 year-old Russian pistol designed by a Frenchman for which ammunition is effectively unavailable for may not be the dumbest idea I have ever heard, but it is right up there in the top three, right up there with carrying a silenced Nagant concealed.

Its perfectly legal for me to manufacture or purchase and use a suppressor in my state as long as I fill out the appropriate forms, wait for the background check, and pay the requisite ATF tax to the Federal Government. Interestingly enough, its also legal for me to carry it attached to a concealed pistol her, assuming I also follow the similar procedure to get a concealed-carry permit. You really should realize by now the internet is a big place where people from lots of different physical places can show up so the may not always have the same gun-control laws as your area.

I think it would be a good idea if you obtained the forms from ATF, applied for a silencer for a Nagant and watch what happens.


It's a small project intended simply to be something to spend time on as proof-of-concept. Its valuable in much the same way that the smaller SourceForge projects are. Most of the applications on SourceForge.net will never make it past marginal usefulness but its the process of creation and problem-solving that is important and the true achievement is knowledge gained from the challenges completed and issues raised and a feeling of satisfaction for having created something. The end product is more or less irrelevant.

I suppose you'd also question me if I were to weld some tubing together then attach a lawnmower engine, clutch, two wheels, a brake, and handlebars to it because I didn't really plan on using the resulting pocket bike to do any serious traveling.
Nope. But you are just asking to blow yourself or a friend up and you have no business playing with guns....and that's what you are doing...playing.

I am a tactical combat firearms instructor. I carry a concealed firearm and I train several hours a week, because you never know when a goth is going to try to sneak into the church during a sermon. But firearms aren't toys. I think that if you want to play, get yourself a nice paintball gun and apply for a silencer for that. The same ATF laws apply to silencers for airguns AND paintball guns as they do to real firearms.


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Default Re: Guns thread - 03-16-2008, 11:36 AM

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Nope. But you are just asking to blow yourself or a friend up and you have no business playing with guns....and that's what you are doing...playing.
I never tried the hide that I was playing with guns. In fact, I believe just said that in my last post. There is no practical reason for me to create a silenced revolver other than the rarity of a silenced revolver.

It is legal in Kentucky to attach any legally owned silencer to any legally owned firearm regardless of the method of carry. As for getting the stamp for the silencer, for personal ownership, it requires the standard felony check and age restrictions along with the signature of the Chief Law Enforcement Officer in the applicant's area, in my case that would be a sheriff who is quite permissive on the subject of automatic rifles though I'm not sure how he views pistol suppressors. As you know, he isn't required to sign it. The signature, however, is not required on the form if the application involves a weapon or suppressor to be owned by a corporation, trust, or LLC. Meaning if the signature is refused, I can pay a <$50 KY incorporation fee and get the thing anyway with just the background check.

I'd say you may have known about that, having been in law enforcement so long, and meant instead that creation of a silencer would be illegal without another licensing process that is probably a bit more than I'd like to go through (that is the one license I don't have or at least know the reqs for). I could, however, just have a class 3 gunsmith etch a serial number on it and fill out the registration paperwork. We have 2 working within city limits (not sure of his class but I know one that does work on automatic rifles) in a town of roughly 4,000 and the surrounding cities should have at least one. The beautiful thing about Kentucky is that most rural pawn shops have a gunsmith working in the back room and that doesn't include the dedicated hobbyists and gun show dealers. One great thing about the NRA: they lobby hard to keep some method on the books for dedicated individuals to legally possess pretty much any firearm they want.

When I make one though, it will probably be kept at home in pieces rather than taken out in public just like the PVC spud cannon w/silencer I used to keep in my garage (suppressor for it is also illegal to manufacture but traditionally overlooked by law enforcement) because I sincerely doubt that my first real firearm suppressor would turn out to be as effective as I'd like though I've heard steel wool (woodworking sheets, not scouring pads), coolant, and baffles with a volume at least 1.5x(chamber + barrel) is fairly good for most pistols so I believe it'll at least match my reasonable expectations.


If I don't end up doing this, I'll just be working on ghetto claymores to see what kind of IED I can whip up with household items. All it takes is secret ingredient I don't want to be responsible for giving anyone the full method to do this as it is extremely dangerous without proper planning, vinegar, party balloons, and a remote detonator (Anything not permitting one to be completely behind cover when lighting/turning on the detonation method would be an incredibly bad idea as this thing would put out incredible amounts of shrapnel. I plan on using a used spark plug or if I run out of plugs I'll use a steel wool electrical detonator). Explosive licenses are not required by the ATF for the hydrogen gas explosive produced by chemical reactions in this device and manufacturing or possession of explosive devices requires proof of intent to endanger, damage, or destroy life or property other than one's own in order to prosecute in my state. I could be asked to stop disturbing the peace by the neighbors if they want to complain but thats about it for legal action.

Now that I think about it, I do seem to have a compulsion to create and operate dangerous things.
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Default Re: Guns thread - 03-16-2008, 02:47 PM

I carry a 1911A1 Springfield.

Everywhere.


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Default Re: Guns thread - 03-16-2008, 07:16 PM

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I carry a 1911A1 Springfield.

Everywhere.
I don't. I am saving my last two cases of Lake City 30-06.

I carry either an SKS or my mini-14. I have always appreciated SKS rifles since a dink barely missed me at about 600 yards with one. Whoda thunk a 7.62x39 would do that?


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I carry either an SKS or my mini-14.
these are good weapon for little girl. real man is carry yari or katana okay.

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Default Re: Guns thread - 03-16-2008, 09:00 PM

Swords are for French people and women.
Only an idiot carries a sword into battle.
You see what good they did the Nips during the Great Defeat.


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sorry little girl this thread is for man only. you need go play with dolly and springfield weapon in your room while adult are talk okay.
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Look here slit-eyes, swords and pig stickers went out after Jesus invented firearms.


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I'm afraid I've never been, nor can I forsee myself becoming, a Christian. I've looked at the track record for all 4 of the major theistic religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaism, and Hinduism) and have come to the conclusion that while religion may help some individual people, organized belief in one or more deities of any kind is the single worst thing to happen to mankind.

A small sample of Christianity's track record:
392CE (Common Era, for those who think Google is for the devil): Theodesius (Roman Emperor) orders the destruction of all non-Christian places of worship currently in use
435: Being a non-Christian (Jews were generally tolerated) was declared a capital crime in Rome
1209: An Army under orders from the Pope begins rampaging through Southern France killing both non-Christians and Christians who held "heretical beliefs". When asked how to determine which residents were "True Christians" they were told essentially to kill them all and let God sort them.
1095-1272: The Crusades (lots of them)
1184-mid1800s: The Inquisition(s)
Protestant Reformation Violence
"Bloody" Mary I attempts to recovnvert England to Catholicism from Aglicanism by putting high-level religious leaders to death
1930s: The Holocaust (not religiously lead but quite religiously motivated)
General persecution of every other religion
General persecution of other sects of Christianity
General persecution of homosexuals
General persecution of witches
(its important to note that "persecution of" includes vandalism, violence, and murder)
How can you look at a track list like that and still want to get on Christ's bad side?
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The godless yellow heathens: bringing swords to nuclear wars since 1945.


O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.


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Default Re: Guns thread - 03-17-2008, 08:56 PM

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How can you look at a track list like that and still want to get on Christ's bad side.
I fail to see any evidence that Christ or God had anything to do with any of those. I see some Roman Emperors, a lot of Popes, random congregationalists, priests and preachers, and a couple Kings and Queens but to the best of my knowledge Jesus himself was never personally spotted at any of those events. I truly believe a 30-ish Jew, possibly performing miracles and likely giving sermons, would have drawn some attention at most of those. I'd have given him a 50/50 chance of either being worshiped or stoned for witchcraft and heresy if he did appear but either way someone would have mentioned it if he carried the torches to the burnings, clubs to the beatings, and swords/guns/bombs to the battles and murders.

I pity the holy of any religion for it is through of eternity spent elsewhere that many otherwise good men justify turning the Earth into Hell.
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I fail to see any evidence that Christ or God had anything to do with any of those. I see some Roman Emperors, a lot of Popes, random congregationalists, priests and preachers, and a couple Kings and Queens but to the best of my knowledge Jesus himself was never personally spotted at any of those events. I truly believe a 30-ish Jew, possibly performing miracles and likely giving sermons, would have drawn some attention at most of those. I'd have given him a 50/50 chance of either being worshiped or stoned for witchcraft and heresy if he did appear but either way someone would have mentioned it if he carried the torches to the burnings, clubs to the beatings, and swords/guns/bombs to the battles and murders.

I pity the holy of any religion for it is through of eternity spent elsewhere that many otherwise good men justify turning the Earth into Hell.
Well aren't you the original one. Try to pretend you don't believe in God all you like, you still can't get around the fact that the servants of the Lord are VASTLY better at slaughtering their opponents than your drugged-up existentialist buddies are, so why do you choose to pick the losing side?


O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.


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Hopefully anyone interested in guns will pray for the US Supreme Court at least five Supreme Court Justices so that they will overturn DC's restrictive gun law.

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Tuesday, July 17, 2007

The District will ask the Supreme Court to uphold its strict 30-year handgun ban, setting up what legal experts said could be a test of the Second Amendment with broad ramifications.

The high court has not ruled on the Second Amendment protection of the right to keep and bear arms since 1939. But at a morning news conference yesterday, Mayor Adrian M. Fenty (D) and Attorney General Linda Singer said they expect the court to hear a case they called crucial to public safety.

In a 2 to 1 decision in March, a panel of judges for the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit ruled that the city's prohibition against residents keeping handguns in their homes is unconstitutional. In May, the full appeals court declined a petition from the city to reconsider the panel's decision.

Some gun control advocates have cautioned that a defeat in the Supreme Court could lead to tough gun laws being overturned in major cities, including New York, Chicago and Detroit. Fenty said the District had no choice but to fight because more guns in homes could lead to increases in violent crime and deadly accidents.

"The handgun ban has saved many lives and will continue to do so if it remains in effect," Fenty said. "Wherever I go, the response from the residents is, 'Mayor Fenty, you've got to fight this all the way to the Supreme Court.' "

Gun rights advocates welcomed the chance to take the fight to the high court. A central question the D.C. case poses is whether the Second Amendment protects an individual's rights to keep and bear arms.

Experts say gun rights advocates have never had a better chance for a major Second Amendment victory, because a significant number of justices on the Supreme Court have indicated a preference for the individual-rights interpretation.

"Any accurate, unbiased reading of American history is going to come down to this being an individual right," said Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association. "To deny people the right to own a firearm in their home for personal protection is simply out of step with the Constitution."

The city's three-decade-old gun ban was challenged by six D.C. residents -- backed by the libertarian Cato Institute -- who said they wanted to keep guns in their homes for self-defense. The District's law bars all handguns unless they were registered before 1976; it was passed that year to try to curb gun violence, but it has come under attack in Congress and in the courts.

The Second Amendment states: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The last Supreme Court ruling on the issue, in Miller v. the United States, is considered by many to define the right to bear arms as being given to militias, not to individuals.

U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan dismissed the residents' lawsuit -- Parker v. the District of Columbia-- several years ago, ruling that the amendment was tailored to membership in a militia.

But the appeals panel ruled in March that the District has a right to regulate and require registration of firearms but not to ban them in homes. The ruling also struck down a section of the law that required owners of registered guns, including shotguns, to disassemble them or use trigger locks.

"We're very pleased the case will go to the Supreme Court," said Alan Gura, an attorney for the residents. "We believe it will hear the case and will affirm that the Bill of Rights does protect the individual."

Singer said she will receive pro bono legal assistance from several high-profile constitutional law experts, including former acting solicitor general Walter E. Dellinger III. She called the city's handgun laws "reasonable" and said many handguns are used in illegal activities.

"This is not a law which takes away the rights to keep and bear arms," Dellinger said. "It regulates one kind of weapon: handguns."

Singer said she will ask for a 30-day extension to file the District's appeal with the Supreme Court, which would push the deadline to Sept. 5. The city's handgun laws will remain in effect throughout the appeal, Singer said.

"If the U.S. Supreme Court decides to hear this case, it could produce the most significant Second Amendment ruling in our history," Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, said in a statement. "If the U.S. Supreme Court follows the words of the U.S. Constitution and the Court's own precedents, it should reverse the Appeals Court ruling and allow the District's law to stand."
I say the more guns the better. People should be allowed to protect their families and homes from assault, and what better way than an automatic pistol? Hopefully it will cause the home invasion assault criminals will think twice before breaking in.


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Default Re: Guns thread - 03-19-2008, 05:02 AM

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Well aren't you the original one. Try to pretend you don't believe in God all you like, you still can't get around the fact that the servants of the Lord are VASTLY better at slaughtering their opponents than your drugged-up existentialist buddies are, so why do you choose to pick the losing side?
Whether they are better or worse has little to do with it. Seldom will you find a religious minority anywhere that is effective at slaughtering their opponents (For reference I give you the word of presumably some of your fellow believers http://www.christianpersecution.info/ . Claims of Christian persecution in the US are almost unilaterally ridiculous and boil down to the refusal to accept the same restrictions placed on either all other groups and/or all other individuals. Outside Europe and N. America, however, Christianity doesn't seem to be so much VASTLY better at slaughtering their opponents. If you'd bother to look at my short list, you would notice that other than the Crusades vs. Muslims (some temporary victories and even more losses) Christianity has been a majority population and persecutes the minority (usually other Christians).

I challenge you to find examples of a long-term religiously motivated conflict that has fallen in the favor of a minority group of Christians. I'm looking for some real, verifiable history and not a quote from the inaccurately translated KJV Bible.


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Hopefully anyone interested in guns will pray for the US Supreme Court at least five Supreme Court Justices so that they will overturn DC's restrictive gun law.

I say the more guns the better. People should be allowed to protect their families and homes from assault, and what better way than an automatic pistol? Hopefully it will cause the home invasion assault criminals will think twice before breaking in.
Translted into Christian my reply becomes: "amen brother".
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Default Re: Guns thread - 03-19-2008, 06:43 PM

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these are good weapon for little girl. real man is carry yari or katana okay.

Hitoshi is right. It requires skill to wield a sword. Any fool can fire a gun.
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Default Re: Guns thread - 03-20-2008, 12:33 AM

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Hitoshi is right. It requires skill to wield a sword. Any fool can fire a gun.
Hitoshi is a fool, and so are you, hippie.

While he's twirling his sword around like a circus clown, I'll be taking him out from 200 yards away, unseen.

Jesus will decide who's the fool.


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Default Re: Guns thread - 03-20-2008, 12:58 AM

And people accuse us of not being able to adopt new technology! Hitoshi is just another nerd jap who grew up watching MaximusPrime and wants to relive his countries' failed military history by dressing up in robot armor and playing with bamboo dancing sticks.


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Default Re: Guns thread - 03-30-2008, 07:22 PM

As a powerful black minister spreading the baptist word. I never leave home with out my Kimber Custom Gold Match II.


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Default Re: Guns thread - 03-30-2008, 07:29 PM

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I carry a 1911A1 Springfield.

Everywhere.
Sorry, I misread that. When you said "A1" I channeled a 1903 Springfield.

I carry a Smith SS M1911. Everywhere. Since my eyes got wonky I put a Crimson Trace on it.


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Default Re: Guns thread - 03-30-2008, 07:36 PM

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As a powerful black minister spreading the baptist word. I never leave home with out my Kimber Custom Gold Match II.
I have a new Kimber Eclipse PRO II fired at the factory for combat reliability after factory nights, ambis, grips.

Want to trade for a new Glock 21 Slimline hi-cap, picatenny rail, or a S&W custom shop M&P in '45. We can negotiate.


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I have a new Kimber Eclipse PRO II fired at the factory for combat reliability after factory nights, ambis, grips.
Mmm. I almost bought the Eclipse PRO II, but the Gold was the only Kimber covered by my security plan. Which also happens to be on loan from the Secret Service so I could never trade it.

Ps. Does Outdoor World carry 10mm ACP?


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