[LiberalAnglican]

Hi everyone,

I go to St. James Episcopal Church in Cambridge, Massachusetts


My favorite Bible verse is Micah 6:8


He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?


How did I come to find Jesus? Well, I was born into a southern conservative Baptist family in Iowa, but my dad kicked me out of the house for coming out as a trans woman, so I fled to Massachusetts and became an Episcopalian.


Anyways, I just wanted to join this forum so that I could spread some love and warmth among all the hateful posts that I notice here.

[RepublicanCapitalist]

Originally Posted by LiberalAnglican

Hi everyone,

I go to St. James Episcopal Church in Cambridge, Massachusetts


My favorite Bible verse is Micah 6:8


He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?


How did I come to find Jesus? Well, I was born into a southern conservative Baptist family in Iowa, but my dad kicked me out of the house for coming out as a trans woman, so I fled to Massachusetts and became an Episcopalian.


Anyways, I just wanted to join this forum so that I could spread some love and warmth among all the hateful posts that I notice here.

God hates you and you're going to .

Deuteronomy 22:5 KJV

The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

In other words, you are an abomination. What does the LORD command us to do with abominations?

Leviticus 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death ; their blood shall be upon them.

In other words, you are an abomination and you deserve execution

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by LiberalAnglican

Hi everyone,

I go to St. James Episcopal Church in Cambridge, Massachusetts


My favorite Bible verse is Micah 6:8


He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?


How did I come to find Jesus? Well, I was born into a southern conservative Baptist family in Iowa, but my dad kicked me out of the house for coming out as a trans woman, so I fled to Massachusetts and became an Episcopalian.


Anyways, I just wanted to join this forum so that I could spread some love and warmth among all the hateful posts that I notice here.

Hello! Please don't feel dejected by the hateful posts you'll undoubtedly come across. So many people Hate Jesus and will stop at nothing until they find the most dastardly way to offend Him. Some turn to the homosexual lifestyle, some to feminism, some even raise their children to be autistic just for bragging rights among other Haters to see who could be most Hateful to the Lord of Lords (Revelation 19:16)! The one thing they have in common is shouting their sin from the mountain tops, but we know who has the last laugh (Galatians 6:7; Psalms 2:2-4)

But fear not! You are among Sisters and Brothers of Christ! We have been bought by His Blood (1 Corinthians 6:20) and Born Again into Righteousness (John 3:3; Romans 5:1)! We want to share the Good News with you that it doesn't matter what God placed between your legs at birth! What matters is that you use what He put there to His purpose! If you have the kind of unit that makes your father proud, that means finding yourself a wife of healthy childbearing years to produce a small army! If you have been gifted instead with a womb, that means opening your self to your husband as often as he demands, knowing the pleasure of delivering unto him healthy sons is only months away!

I think your favorite Bible verse is lovely! What do you think it means to "do justly" and to "walk humbly with thy God"? From where do you think we derive the sense of justice? Where did you learn how to "walk with God"?

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by LiberalAnglican

...coming out as a trans woman, so I fled to Massachusetts and became an Episcopalian...

Why do you still worship a being that (if the Bible is any guide) wants you murdered in public for displaying the nature He gave you?

[LiberalAnglican]

Originally Posted by RepublicanCapitalist

God hates you and you're going to .

Deuteronomy 22:5 KJV

The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

In other words, you are an abomination. What does the LORD command us to do with abominations?

Leviticus 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death ; their blood shall be upon them.

In other words, you are an abomination and you deserve execution

1. Both the verses you quoted are mistranslations. Allow me to fix them for you:

Deuteronomy 22:5

The woman shall not wear the armor of a warrior, neither shall a warrior disguise himself as a woman: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Leviticus 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, in the bed of a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death ; their blood shall be upon them.

2. Under Biblical law, imposing the death penalty was practically impossible:

- You needed to have 2 Jewish Male witnesses who have memorized the Torah and Oral Law.

- They both needed to have eye contact with one another and with the perpetrator of the act.

- They both had to warn the perpetrator, and in turn the perpetrator had to acknowledge the warning.

- After that warning, they bring the perpetrator to the Sanhedrin to be tried(23 Judges).

- If the judges vote by too wide a margin(17-6 for instance) the trial is null because of it being suspect of bias.

- If the judges vote by too narrow a margin(12-11) the case is also thrown out.

The Mishnah (tractate Makkoth 1:10) outlines the views of several prominent first-century CE Rabbis on capital punishment:

"A Sanhedrin that puts a man to death once in seven years is called a murderous one. Rabbi Eliezer ben Azariah says 'Or even once in 70 years.' Rabbi Tarfon and Rabbi Akiba said, 'If we had been in the Sanhedrin no death sentence would ever have been passed'; Rabban Simeon ben Gamaliel said: 'If so, they would have multiplied murderers in Israel.'"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capita...bbinic_Judaism

In other words, the Rabbis read the passages you cite as allegory: capital punishment is symbolic of the gravity of the sin.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by LiberalAnglican

1. Both the verses you quoted are mistranslations. Allow me to fix them for you:

Deuteronomy 22:5

The woman shall not wear the armor of a warrior, neither shall a warrior disguise himself as a woman: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Leviticus 20:13

If a man also lie with mankind, in the bed of a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death ; their blood shall be upon them.

Hi sweetie and to our friendly forum! We all deeply appreciate that you took some time out your busy sinning schedule to post here. While you are here, you might be interested in checking out an excellent sermon by Pastor Ezekiel regarding seven ways how to discern between true and false Bible translations. Also, please to check out Dr. Elmer White's discussion about the KJV as the only accurate Bible in the world.

I don't know which translation are you using, but how the hell do you get from כְלִי־ (ḵə·lî-) to "armor," that really is beyond the scope of my understanding.

2. Under Biblical law, imposing the death penalty was practically impossible:

- You needed to have 2 Jewish Male witnesses who have memorized the Torah and Oral Law.

- They both needed to have eye contact with one another and with the perpetrator of the act.

- They both had to warn the perpetrator, and in turn the perpetrator had to acknowledge the warning.

- After that warning, they bring the perpetrator to the Sanhedrin to be tried(23 Judges).

- If the judges vote by too wide a margin(17-6 for instance) the trial is null because of it being suspect of bias.

- If the judges vote by too narrow a margin(12-11) the case is also thrown out.

The Mishnah (tractate Makkoth 1:10) outlines the views of several prominent first-century CE Rabbis on capital punishment:

"A Sanhedrin that puts a man to death once in seven years is called a murderous one. Rabbi Eliezer ben Azariah says 'Or even once in 70 years.' Rabbi Tarfon and Rabbi Akiba said, 'If we had been in the Sanhedrin no death sentence would ever have been passed'; Rabban Simeon ben Gamaliel said: 'If so, they would have multiplied murderers in Israel.'"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capita...bbinic_Judaism

In other words, the Rabbis read the passages you cite as allegory: capital punishment is symbolic of the gravity of the sin.

Thank you for acknowledging, in a very oblique way, the gravity of the cross-dressing sin. It makes me very happy that you agree that it is an abomination [תוֹעֲבַ֛ת (ṯō·w·‘ă·ḇaṯ)] in the eyes of the Lord.

Now, when are you planning to repent for what you just acknowledged is a grave sin?


P.S.: Thank you for posting your copy-pasta sources. I just hate when people plagiarize without citing their sources!

[LiberalAnglican]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Hi sweetie and to our friendly forum! We all deeply appreciate that you took some time out your busy sinning schedule to post here. While you are here, you might be interested in checking out an excellent sermon by Pastor Ezekiel regarding seven ways how to discern between true and false Bible translations. Also, please to check out Dr. Elmer White's discussion about the KJV as the only accurate Bible in the world.

I don't know which translation are you using, but how the hell do you get from כְלִי־ (ḵə·lî-) to "armor," that really is beyond the scope of my understanding.

Thank you for acknowledging, in a very oblique way, the gravity of the cross-dressing sin. It makes me very happy that you agree that it is an abomination [תוֹעֲבַ֛ת (ṯō·w·‘ă·ḇaṯ)] in the eyes of the Lord.

Now, when are you planning to repent for what you just acknowledged is a grave sin?


P.S.: Thank you for posting your copy-pasta sources. I just hate when people plagiarize without citing their sources!

1. Let's look at the word as it is used in other verses:

1 Samuel 14:1

Now it came to pass upon a day, that Jonathan the son of Saul said unto the young man that bare his armour, [כֵלָ֔יו - kēlāyw] Come, and let us go over to the Philistines' garrison, that on the other side. But he told not his father.

1 Samuel 14:6

And Jonathan said to the young man that bare his armour, [כֵלָ֗יו - kēlāyw] Come, and let us go over unto the garrison of these uncircumcised: it may be that the Lord will work for us: for no restraint to the Lord to save by many or by few.

https://www.messie2vie.fr/bible/stro...iy-page-5.html

2. There is no capital punishment for "the cross-dressing sin" (which is limited to women wearing the armour of a warrior or warriors disguising themselves as women). Not all abominations are listed as capital offenses

3. I am a trans woman who has never worn the armour of a warrior and as such there is nothing to repent for in this case

4. Donald Trump is an abomination, as can be seen from Ezekiel 16

49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

50 And they were haughty , and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

In other words, the sin of the Sodomites was not homosexuality, but rather inhospitality and refusing to "strengthen the hand of the poor and needy"

Since Donald Trump is clearly the living embodiment of all these vices, allow me to say the following short prayer:

Have mercy upon us, O LORD, have mercy upon us: for we are exceedingly filled with contempt.

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

I don't know which translation are you using, but how the hell do you get from כְלִי־ (ḵə·lî-) to "armor," that really is beyond the scope of my understanding.

He thinks the Bible is talking about cosplay!

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

I'm quite surprised to see someone who calls himself an Anglican quoting from some shonky third-rate translation. But I guess that just as Anglicans (a sub-sect of papism) aren't Christians, Episcopalians aren't even proper Anglicans.

[LiberalAnglican]

Originally Posted by Joanna Lytton-Vasey

I'm quite surprised to see someone who calls himself an Anglican quoting from some shonky third-rate translation. But I guess that just as Anglicans (a sub-sect of papism) aren't Christians, Episcopalians aren't even proper Anglicans.

You do seem to be quite confused. Episcopalians are a type of Anglicans, just like squares are a type of rectangles. Here in the USA, most Anglicans belong to the Episcopal Church.

"Papism" is simply a derogatory way of saying "Roman Catholicism" but since none of the Anglican Churches are in communion w/ the Pope of Rome, this does not apply to us. To quote the 37th Article of Religion from the 1662 edition of the Book of Common Prayer:

The Bishop of Rome hath no jurisdiction in this Realm of England.

As far as Bible translations go, here is the list of those that are authorized for use in the Episcopal Church

King James or Authorized Version (the historic Bible of The Episcopal Church)
English Revision (1881)
American Revision (1901)
Revised Standard Version (1952)
Jerusalem Bible (1966)
New English Bible with the Apocrypha (1970)
Good News Bible / Today's English Version (1976)
New American Bible (1970)
Revised Standard Version, an Ecumenical Edition (1973)
New International Version (1978)
New Jerusalem Bible (1987)
Revised English Bible (1989)
New Revised Standard Version (1990)
Common English Bible (2012)

https://www.episcopalchurch.org/bible

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

"A sub-sect of papism" is simply shorthand for a sub-sect of the catholic church - though most members of the CofE are so dumb that they believe it to be a Protestant church. Here is what the Church of England has to say about the matter:

The Apostles' Creed


It starts out well enough, but let's look at the end:

I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic Church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting.

[LiberalAnglican]

Originally Posted by Joanna Lytton-Vasey

"A sub-sect of papism" is simply shorthand for a sub-sect of the catholic church - though most members of the CofE are so dumb that they believe it to be a Protestant church. Here is what the Church of England has to say about the matter:

The Apostles' Creed


It starts out well enough, but let's look at the end:

"catholic" is not the same as "Catholic"

"catholic" simply means "Universal"

"Catholic" means "Roman Catholic"

See the difference there?

Here is Acts 9:31 in the KJV

Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

Here is Acts 9:31 in Koine Greek:

αι μεν ουν εκκλησιαι καθ ολης της ιουδαιας και γαλιλαιας και σαμαρειας ειχον ειρηνην οικοδομουμεναι και πορευομεναι τω φοβω του κυριου και τη παρακλησει του αγιου πνευματος επληθυνοντο

καθ ολης = kath olays = catholic

[James Hutchins]

Originally Posted by LiberalAnglican

You do seem to be quite confused. Episcopalians are a type of Anglicans, just like squares are a type of rectangles. Here in the USA, most Anglicans belong to the Episcopal Church.

"Papism" is simply a derogatory way of saying "Roman Catholicism" but since none of the Anglican Churches are in communion w/ the Pope of Rome, this does not apply to us. To quote the 37th Article of Religion from the 1662 edition of the Book of Common Prayer:

The Bishop of Rome hath no jurisdiction in this Realm of England.

As far as Bible translations go, here is the list of those that are authorized for use in the Episcopal Church

King James or Authorized Version (the historic Bible of The Episcopal Church)
English Revision (1881)
American Revision (1901)
Revised Standard Version (1952)
Jerusalem Bible (1966)
New English Bible with the Apocrypha (1970)
Good News Bible / Today's English Version (1976)
New American Bible (1970)
Revised Standard Version, an Ecumenical Edition (1973)
New International Version (1978)
New Jerusalem Bible (1987)
Revised English Bible (1989)
New Revised Standard Version (1990)
Common English Bible (2012)

https://www.episcopalchurch.org/bible

Friend, work it anyway you want, this is not a spin class.


We are Baptists. We follow the KJV Bible, just as it was written. If it says jump., we jump. We do not ask how high or how low. God will guide us.
I do not know if you are smoking your opiods or drinking paint, that is between you and Jesus. I know here, we keep the sassy attitude to ourselves and act like a Christian.
Get right with God, before it is too lake!

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

Friend, work it anyway you want, this is not a spin class.We are Baptists. We follow the KJV Bible, just as it was written. If it says jump., we jump. We do not ask how high or how low. God will guide us.

Indeed, Brother James. I am just fascinated, in a horrified way, by people who think that the term "Anglican" has any concrete meaning, or that their mish-mash of weird sects has anything in common. As you know, my family currently lives very near to Canterbury Cathedral and even within the Church of England you have everything from incense-waving graven-idol-worshiping posh boys in red trousers to the happy-clappy-charabanc-to-the-seaside brigade. Not being a snob, I hold them in equal contempt.

Originally Posted by James Hutchins

Get right with God, before it is too lake!

Now that is an autocorrect I can get behind! I love JesOS's spellchecker. You were thinking of the Lake of Fire, I guess?

[Faith_Machine]

Hmmm.

Weird that LiberalAnglican showed up immediately after RepublicanCapitalist was exposed as a fraud.


Most curious.

[Vengeance Puriel]

Originally Posted by LiberalAnglican

1. Let's look at the word as it is used in other verses:

1 Samuel 14:1

Now it came to pass upon a day, that Jonathan the son of Saul said unto the young man that bare his armour, [כֵלָ֔יו - kēlāyw] Come, and let us go over to the Philistines' garrison, that on the other side. But he told not his father.

1 Samuel 14:6

And Jonathan said to the young man that bare his armour, [כֵלָ֗יו - kēlāyw] Come, and let us go over unto the garrison of these uncircumcised: it may be that the Lord will work for us: for no restraint to the Lord to save by many or by few.

https://www.messie2vie.fr/bible/stro...iy-page-5.html

2. There is no capital punishment for "the cross-dressing sin" (which is limited to women wearing the armour of a warrior or warriors disguising themselves as women). Not all abominations are listed as capital offenses

3. I am a trans woman who has never worn the armour of a warrior and as such there is nothing to repent for in this case

4. Donald Trump is an abomination, as can be seen from Ezekiel 16

49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

50 And they were haughty , and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

In other words, the sin of the Sodomites was not homosexuality, but rather inhospitality and refusing to "strengthen the hand of the poor and needy"

Since Donald Trump is clearly the living embodiment of all these vices, allow me to say the following short prayer:

Have mercy upon us, O LORD, have mercy upon us: for we are exceedingly filled with contempt.

I would not speak ill of our commander and chief here if I were you. We are all Republican.

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by LiberalAnglican

1. Let's look at the word as it is used in other verses:

1 Samuel 14:1

Now it came to pass upon a day, that Jonathan the son of Saul said unto the young man that bare his armour, [כֵלָ֔יו - kēlāyw] Come, and let us go over to the Philistines' garrison, that on the other side. But he told not his father.

1 Samuel 14:6

And Jonathan said to the young man that bare his armour, [כֵלָ֗יו - kēlāyw] Come, and let us go over unto the garrison of these uncircumcised: it may be that the Lord will work for us: for no restraint to the Lord to save by many or by few.

I'm not sure what your point is. In the Bible, כֵלָ֗יו (ḵê·lāw) is always translated as armour (you can check the link). On the other hand, כְלִי־ (ḵə·lî-) has a more broad meaning, ranging from clothing through instruments all the way to jewelry - basically, we could colloquially translate כְלִי־ as "stuff."

2. There is no capital punishment for "the cross-dressing sin"

Sweetie, I think you already forgot what you said:

Originally Posted by LiberalAnglican

capital punishment is symbolic of the gravity of the sin.

When someone says, that X is such a grave sin that it deserves capital punishment, I'd say yeah, that means that X is the sin of the worst kind, as there is no more severe punishment than the death penalty. Whether the Jews treated it literally or metaphorically (this whining bunch of pussies has found many ways of avoiding following God-given commandments), you have to agree that cross-dressing belongs in the category of THE WORST SIN A HUMAN CAN COMMIT.

(which is limited to women wearing the armour of a warrior men's stuff

I corrected your mistake, I'm sure you can appreciate that.

or warriors men disguising themselves as women).

I corrected the second mistake. גֶ֙בֶר֙ (ḡe·ḇer) has been translated as "man" in every verse of the Bible where it appears (in some translations, the single exception is Judges 5:30, but the KJV translates it correctly as "man"; again, feel free to click on the link to see the whole list).

3. I am a trans woman

So you are a man who is disguising yourself as a woman. You will BURN IN HELL unless you repent for your horrible, death-worthy sin!!!

4. Donald Trump is an abomination, as can be seen from Ezekiel 16

I have no idea what are you talking about. Are you accusing our President of playing the harlot (Ezekiel 16:15)? Are you accusing him of making gold and silver casts of men and having sex with that (Ezekiel 16:17, eww, that would be just gross!)? Are you saying that Donald Trump had children with God Himself and later sacrificed these children (Ezekiel 16:20)???? Are you implying that Donald J. Trump has been fornicating with the Egyptians, Assyrians, and Canaanites (Ezekiel 16:26, 28-29)????

These are some serious accusations, dear. You will need to substantiate them ASAP. With proper documentation including but not limited to photo and video evidence, please!!

In other words, the sin of the Sodomites was not homosexuality, but rather inhospitality and refusing to "strengthen the hand of the poor and needy"

That, my dear, is what is commonly known as "baloney." (There is another word that comes to mind but a delicate young lady like me should not be seen saying or writing it).

This was the sin of Sodom:

Genesis 19
4 But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
6 And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,
7 And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.
8 Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

Men of Sodom wanted to rape two male visitors, and were insisting on it despite Lot's generous offer to give them his own daughters instead. Because in the eyes of the Lord, raping young girls is not necessarily a sin (it kinda depends on circumstances), but raping males is always a very serious sin.

[Vengeance Puriel]

Originally Posted by Faith_Machine

Hmmm.

Weird that LiberalAnglican showed up immediately after RepublicanCapitalist was exposed as a fraud.


Most curious.

Not at all people cant get help they make help

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Basilissa

Men of Sodom wanted to rape two male visitors,

Nothing has changed in the world of Sodomy. This is why it's such a threat to marriage and the security of the United States in general. Sodomites want nothing more than to find, ambush, and gay wrestle strange men, forcing them to adopt the Gay Lifestyle. That's how the Gays procreate - through Traumatic, Forced, Gay Interception. I thank Jesus the laws of our land are cracking down on the Gays from everything from adopting strangers' children to wearing leather in public.

Originally Posted by Basilissa

and were insisting on it despite Lot's generous offer to give them his own daughters instead. Because in the eyes of the Lord, raping young girls is not necessarily a sin (it kinda depends on circumstances), but raping males is always a very serious sin.

And why wouldn't it be? At least with a woman there is a chance that seed will find fertile ground and the whole event inspire Jesus to create and bless a Spontaneous Love Child who will grow up to be a successful Pastor or Missionary or administrator in the NRA, forever spreading the Good News that those who love and obey Christ will be eternally rewarded, and those who don't will forever be sorry. Spewing one's seed into the dark, dank, sinful depths of another man's shame will never beget a child that may one day turn to Jesus and Glorify Him as a Miracle Child. Or even glorify Him by illustrating God's Divine Justice. Nothing can come of that union of horrors. I mean, it could, like Jesus could conduct a miracle and make a man pregnant. After all, He got Mary Pregnant with Himself in the form of a Ghost but then she gave birth to Him in the form of a baby even though she was a virgin herself and the laws of physics don't allow that. Then again, Jesus doesn't have to follow the laws of physics if He doesn't want to. No one can make Him.

Glory!

[Dana723]

Originally Posted by Faith_Machine

Hmmm.

Weird that LiberalAnglican showed up immediately after RepublicanCapitalist was exposed as a fraud.


Most curious.

I wondered about that as well. Curiouser and curiouser!