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06-11-2014, 12:24 AM
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So what? Look it up in what ever Bible you favor friend. That's why she gave you capture and verse.
again friend, there is a vast difference between assaulting other people and condoning sin. The Bible makes it abundantly clear homosexuality is offensive to God, as good Christians we can not accept that kind of behavior in our community anymore than we could accept socialism and other depraved behavior. While we Christians do not hate the sinner and pray for their repentance the Bible is also very, very clear that the legal authorities should execute homosexuals.
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But how can we lead them on the right path if we are killing them left and right?
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06-11-2014, 12:47 AM
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But how can we lead them on the right path if we are killing them left and right?
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Are you accusing Bobby-Joe of murder? That's a pretty serious charge, friend. I hope you have some iron-clad evidence.
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06-11-2014, 01:15 AM
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...If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also...
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This is cribbed from a response I made to someone else who didn't fully understand what "turning the other cheek" means (I didn't feel like typing it all out again):
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I also know how few people actually understand what "turn the other cheek" really means. If you follow this link, you'll find the verse in question (Matthew 5:39) as it appears in 20 of the most common Bibles in use today. Notice how they ALL specify that someone's hitting your RIGHT cheek. Curious (or telling?), as there is very little else they agree on.
Back then, only the right hand was used for touching others. The left (as is still common in many countries) was used for toilet purposes. If I was to strike you on the right cheek using my right hand, it would have to be a backhand strike. This was the disciplinary method used on slaves and servants, and showed the the striker considered the other to be below them, socially.
By only presenting the left cheek as a target, you would force me to use a forehand strike, with the concomitant acknowledgement of you as my social equal.
Thus, we see that the "turn the other cheek" passage is NOT an instruction to yield unconditionally to any aggressor (as it has been portrayed by many, who either do not understand, or consciously wish to misrepresent, the message of the Bible), but instead is a passive-aggressive way of forcing them to treat you as an equal.
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...if a man takes you to law and would have your tunic, let him have your cloak as well...
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Also passive aggressive. In the culture of the time, nakedness was more embarrassing for the viewer than the viewed. If you did the above, the other party would give you your tunic back, rather than have to see you naked.
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...And if anyone orders you to go one mile, go two miles with him." Mt. 5.38-41"
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Again, it's not what it seems. Roman law only allowed soldiers to order people to carry their gear for one mile. If you carried it for two, THEY got in trouble from their superiors.
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Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!! -
06-11-2014, 02:49 AM
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But how can we lead them on the right path if we are killing them left and right?
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We are not killing them. The Authorities are.
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06-11-2014, 03:40 AM
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Are you accusing Bobby-Joe of murder? That's a pretty serious charge, friend. I hope you have some iron-clad evidence.
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No, I am not, but he is supportive of the government killing them
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06-11-2014, 03:46 AM
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We are not killing them. The Authorities are.
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But wouldn't it be better to try to get them on our side? Have them see why they are wrong? JESUS calls us to "Love others as I have loved you" John 13:34. He didnt say "love only believers" but a vague "others"
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06-11-2014, 05:08 AM
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But wouldn't it be better to try to get them on our side? Have them see why they are wrong?...
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Uh, just what do you think they're doing here, aside from telling everyone else (who is not a True Christian™) that they're wrong?
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...JESUS calls us to "Love others as I have loved you" John 13:34. He didnt say "love only believers" but a vague "others"
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Uh, yes, He did. Let's look at the COMPLETE VERSE:
John 13:34 "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another."
Does that say "everyone" or "one another"? Keep in mind that in this entire passage, He is addressing His disciples (a closed group).
And to put this to bed, here's the very next verse:
John 13:35 "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."
Unless you're claiming that there are now ~7.5 billion disciples?
Read the Bible, the WHOLE thing, not just bits and pieces, k?
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Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!! -
06-11-2014, 05:51 AM
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Uh, just what do you think they're doing here, aside from telling everyone else (who is not a True Christian™) that they're wrong?
Uh, yes, He did. Let's look at the COMPLETE VERSE:
John 13:34 "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another."
Does that say "everyone" or "one another"? Keep in mind that in this entire passage, He is addressing His disciples (a closed group).
And to put this to bed, here's the very next verse:
John 13:35 "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."
Unless you're claiming that there are now ~7.5 billion disciples?
Read the Bible, the WHOLE thing, not just bits and pieces, k?
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From my understanding if the bible, all believers are His disciples and what he says to the original disciples I are guidelines for the next disciples
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06-11-2014, 06:09 AM
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From my understanding if the bible, all believers are His disciples...
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1) I never claimed otherwise. Did you misunderstand my meaning in the term "closed group"?
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closed groups and open groups
A Dictionary of Sociology | 1998 | GORDON MARSHALL | 381 words | Copyright
closed groups and open groups These terms are sometimes applied to social groups or organizations which have (respectively) fairly impermeable boundaries, and therefore little interaction with outsiders, or permeable boundaries with few barriers to relations with outsiders. Thus, there can be open and closed religious sects, clubs, committees, military élites, and so forth.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O88...pengroups.html
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2) Never mind your understanding, what does the Bible say? If you want to claim the Bible says something, quote Scripture or be quiet, thanks.
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...and what he says to the original disciples I are guidelines for the next disciples
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Even if you take that route, what I said about Him addressing a closed group, and those remarks referring to that group only, stands. Jesus never told anyone to love everyone.
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Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!! -
06-11-2014, 03:54 PM
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Someone launching ad hominem ( that's a fallacy, btw) calls others "idiots"? Lovely.
How often does groundlessly belittling others work for you?
And "my dad can beat up your dad (but he won't, because he's conveniently out of the country for the forseeable future)" is equally factual.
The sad thing is, I knew you were going to respond like that.
Go look up "unfalsifiable" and see how it's incompatible with logic.
The sad thing is, I knew you were going to respond like that
As you've shared nothing but your personal opinion, there's nothing to disbelieve.
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Is me sharing my opinion really such a problem? Just because I don't have some Bible quote to back it up.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23:Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
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06-11-2014, 05:23 PM
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Is me sharing my opinion really such a problem?...
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When did they start teaching kids that they have to "respect" everything and everyone, no matter how ridiculous, heinous, or just plain evil (looking at you, Roman Catholic Church)?
Your opinion does not, and never will, demand respect just because it's your opinion. When you can justify your opinion, that's a different story.
As far as I'm concerned, you're quite welcome to share your opinion. However, the rest of the world reserves the right to tell you just how wrong you are (if that is the case).
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...Just because I don't have some Bible quote to back it up.
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Here, that's proof enough that you're wrong.
So go read yourself some Bible, find something in there that justifies your opinion, and bring it back, or admit that the Bible says you're wrong and the True Christians™ will always think you're wrong (because they agree with the Bible, durrr).
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Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!! -
06-11-2014, 06:24 PM
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So your entire argument is basically this, "You're crazy and dangerous because you are religious."
Thank you for your persecution, dear. The LORD promises to bless us for this (Matthew 5:10 -11).
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No, you're crazy and dangerous because you threaten people who you don't know with death and 'eternal damnation'. As I've said before, I don't hate religion, especially if it makes a good person. And I actually feel ok about you because you haven't sent me death threats yet. But the majority of people here are uppity, big-headed lunatics who damn people they don't even know. That's when religion becomes bad.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23:Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
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Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!! -
06-11-2014, 06:29 PM
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What if I told you I was a girl? I'm not reading your damn sermons either. You think you're special? You think you're closer to God than me? Get real. It's so sad that people like you are so insane, so far gone, that you'll just outright reject someone else's opinion because it's different to yours. And like I said, you didn't even have the courtesy to read all of what I wrote. And I doubt you will this time either. It is a known fact that there are numerous Bibles and that it is constantly changed. Get over it. Stop treating me like your enemy, okay?
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23:Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
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Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!! -
06-11-2014, 06:35 PM
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Of course he wouldn't. He's an atheist so he refuses to believe in the Word of God even with the mountains of evidence that support the existence of God.
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You do realize that HE'S the Christian and I'M the Atheist, right?
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23:Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
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Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!! -
06-11-2014, 06:38 PM
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No, you're crazy and dangerous because you threaten people who you don't know with death and 'eternal damnation'...
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God does that. These people are just letting you know what the Bible actually says (instead of the false picture that's been painted for you by people who do not want you to know the truth).
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...As I've said before, I don't hate religion, especially if it makes a good person...
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Cite an example. Just one.
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...And I actually feel ok about you because you haven't sent me death threats yet...
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Why did you put "yet" there? You're not " poisoning the well", are you?
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...But the majority of people here are uppity, big-headed lunatics who damn people they don't even know...
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Again, no one here has that power, and they know it. God does that stuff.
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...That's when religion becomes bad.
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What, when God gets involved?
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Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!! -
06-11-2014, 06:45 PM
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When did they start teaching kids that they have to "respect" everything and everyone, no matter how ridiculous, heinous, or just plain evil
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I could literally say the same thing to you. At least I'm young. You're obviously older than me, and yet you're out of your mind. You are being educated by someone who is a hell of a lot younger than you. And apparently everything I say has to be backed up by a Bible quote does it? I'll back up what I said right now- The fact is that people on this website (such as you) are looked upon as insane by the outer world (the normal people, or as you would call them 'sinners') I have told a good deal of people about this ridiculous website, and the funny thing is, every single one of them either laughed, gasped at how utterly stupid it was or shook their heads in disapproval at some of the lunatics here. Your right, I shouldn't respect something ridiculous or plain evil. And that's why I won't respect any of the psychos on here. Normal Christians? Sure I'll respect them. But not psychos, sorry.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23:Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
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Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!! -
06-11-2014, 06:46 PM
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You do realize that HE'S the Christian and I'M the Atheist, right?
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1) Do not capitalize atheist, it's not a proper noun (unless it's the first word of a sentence, of part of a group name, like American Atheists).
2) Did you really miss my "Arrogant Atheist Dick" title, or the "awards" the admins here have blessed me with, like "Atheist", "Hellbound Heathen", or "Perv" (ok, maybe I deserve the last one )? Do not confuse someone agreeing that the Bible says something with them agreeing with what the Bible says.
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06-11-2014, 06:50 PM
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Really? Can you please post the Scripture that backs you up on this? Because MY Bible says something quite different.
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Well your Bible is a rewritten version (one of many thousands) of the original Bible that was built for the sole purpose of pleasing insane sadists like you (probably by a sadist)
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23:Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
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06-11-2014, 06:55 PM
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... I'll back up what I said right now- The fact is that people on this website (such as you) are looked upon as insane by the outer world...
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That's called " appeal to popularity or majority" (follow the link to learn more about the fallacious arguments you've been presenting, and why they just weaken your case).
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...And that's why I won't respect any of the psychos on here. Normal Christians? Sure I'll respect them...
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"Normal" Christians do not follow the Bible, therefore they are NOT Christian.
Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
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...But not psychos, sorry.
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At least the True Christians™ not hypocrites, so they deserve more respect, IMO.
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Re: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY TEAM FORTRESS 2!!! -
06-11-2014, 06:56 PM
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Someone who overlooks my "Arrogant Atheist Dick" Title, and the "awards" my "friends" have blessed me with (such as "Hellbound Heathen", "Evilution", and "Perv" [ok, maybe I deserve that one ]), is asking others how blind they are? Interesting.
Because that's what the Bible says to do, and they do what the Bible tells them to.
If you read the Bible, what they do would make sense to you, too.
*cough* Riiiight.
Because the Bible says it's an evil influence (are you seeing a pattern here, yet?). Anything that distracts you from praising God, smiting His enemies, praising God some more (and then some more), having children to praise God and smite His enemies while praising God for making sure that you weren't born as one of His enemies, is an evil influence.
Because the Bible says... know what? I'm going to condense that down to "BTBS" for the rest of this post, save some typing.
Ok, BTBS being gay is bad.
Then why are you upset that someone out in internetland thinks you're gay?
Read the Bible. It's full of it.
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Okay, but why should anyone have to care about what the Bible has to say? Now I don't want a Bible quote as an answer, I don't want what the priest or whoever else told you as an answer. I want your answer.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23:Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
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