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Default Re: The True Christian™ Guide to Self-Amputation - 01-30-2010, 03:47 PM

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You're first post here and you claim you're right and all of us are wrong, a bit arrogant, aren't you? Worse, you have no evidence, no logic, nothing at all to back up your claims. All you say is God teaches love and associated bullshit, and use your own statement as proof that you're right.

Why don't you read your Bible and then come here to debate, it might then be worthwhile for both of us. Your current method of discussion only serves to expose you as an ignorant fool.
It's not the least bit arrogant to say that people who are telling others to cut off limbs because they do something that every normal person who is sexually attracted to the opposite(or same) gender does, and people who say that rape is just the woman's fault are wrong. Look for logic in those two things. And that's only what I saw on this forum, I don't dare look any further. It's disturbing to the sane mind. It's probably full of homophobia, sexism, violence, hatred and wrath and vengeance. Just like this thread.

Love and ''associated bullshit'' is what Jesus was preaching, which you would know if you read the Bible, so don't be a hypocrite.

And you're also being a hypocrite for calling me an ignorant fool. Someone who thinks and is open to opinions and the fact that what he believes could be wrong is hardly ignorant. Also don't be a hypocrite for telling me I have no logic and evidence. Realistically looking, religion is among the most illogical and inconsistent things existing on Earth. And with no evidence. Zero. Nothing. Just belief and faith into something any human could have written and said it's the word of God.

It's common sense. You'd know it too if you had any
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Love and ''associated bullshit'' is what Jesus was preaching, which you would know if you read the Bible, so don't be a hypocrite.
Well friend, that's wrong. You are thinking about John Lennon, not Jesus our Lord. Jesus had a serious temper, and so did his Dad, a.k.a. God. (a.k.a. Himself)

God killed more people then you seem to know.

And Jesus died for our sins - Lennon didn't.

But OK, at least here you are somehow stating your POV on Baby Jesus.

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Realistically looking, religion is among the most illogical and inconsistent things existing on Earth.
That sounds like you don't believe in Jesus at all. Yet you come here telling us - people who actually did read the Bible - how we should interpret His words.

Did you know He'll come back to kill one third of the earth? Does that sound like "love" to you.

Sorry pal, but God isn't that easy. There is a very narrow path to follow, and just giving high fives to everyone won't cut it. You will have to follow His directions like a Garmin GPS.

Sooooo... let's start with some actual words from Him...

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Does that sound like "peace bro!" to you?


Psalm 81:10:
I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
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Default Re: The True Christian™ Guide to Self-Amputation - 01-30-2010, 04:20 PM

Oh I do know that God is the leading cause of death throughout history, just like everyone else who takes History classes. Just look at The Crusades, The Inquisitions, Northern Ireland, The Witch Hunts, et cetera.

And just take a minute and stop to think about what you said about the God you believe in. You said he is a vengeful and hating father figure who kills off his own children whenever he likes, and that he will send Jesus back to earth to kill one third of the populace. So basically you worship a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully, children abuser and serial killer.

I did read most of the Bible, if not everything. And yes, I am telling you the rational and logical interpretation of Jesus words. How every moral, sane, and decent person would understand them. And just as I have no proof that that particular phrase really comes from Jesus, you also have no proof that the phrase you cited comes from Jesus, so don't say it's the actual word of Jesus.

And if we have that narrow path to follow and we must not do anything God doesn't want us to do, then why did he give us free will and freedom of choice, huh? Just to fill up Hell so it's not an empty place? Just shows how sadistic he is and how he loves his children

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Just look at The Crusades, The Inquisitions, Northern Ireland, The Witch Hunts, et cetera.
Now now, they were mostly cathlycks, but yes, I do get your point.

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You said he is a vengeful and hating father figure who kills off his own children whenever he likes, and that he will send Jesus back to earth to kill one third of the populace. So basically you worship a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully, children abuser and serial killer.
Whoa Nelly! I didn't say that! My trusty KJV says so. And those labels are your words, not mine.

Are you familiar with the Midianites?

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Numbers 31

1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Avenge the children of Israel of the Midianites: afterward shalt thou be gathered unto thy people.
3 And Moses spake unto the people, saying, Arm some of yourselves unto the war, and let them go against the Midianites, and avenge the LORD of Midian.
4 Of every tribe a thousand, throughout all the tribes of Israel, shall ye send to the war.
5 So there were delivered out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand of every tribe, twelve thousand armed for war.
6 And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand of every tribe, them and Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, to the war, with the holy instruments, and the trumpets to blow in his hand.
7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
It goes on for a bit, mind.

God got really cranky there, didn't He?

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And if we have that narrow path to follow and we must not do anything God doesn't want us to do, then why did he give us free will and freedom of choice, huh?
So we would have a choice. Simple eh!


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Just to fill up Hell so it's not an empty place? Just shows how sadistic he is and how he loves his children
He loves all the children who love Him back.

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And by the way, you might want to change your signature.
''I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.'' -That's just nasty, good sir.
What's nasty about that. It's in the Bible!


Psalm 81:10:
I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
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Default Re: The True Christian™ Guide to Self-Amputation - 01-30-2010, 04:35 PM

''I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.''
With this, you're making God look very easy
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Default Re: The True Christian™ Guide to Self-Amputation - 01-30-2010, 04:40 PM

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So we would have a choice. Simple eh!
You don't give much of a choice in life tho. Do everything the Bible and Church tell you, or its eternal suffering and damnation for you. Sounds like means for controlling masses, rather than how our Creator wants us to live life
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Oh I do know that God is the leading cause of death throughout history, ...
Considering that God created those souls in the first place and only their physical shells actually died, your remark is rather odd.

God is the ONLY cause of life throughout history.


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Be wary of false Kumbaya Christians who use a highlighter and scissors to read the Bible. God wants us to read the lines, not between the lines. False Christians will go to Hell:
Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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''I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.''
With this, you're making God look very easy
God doesn't just look easy, He is easy. All you have to do is follow the KJV Bible (1611 edition) to the letter, and He'll provide for you, both in this life and in the next.
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You don't give much of a choice in life tho. Do everything the Bible and Church tell you, or its eternal suffering and damnation for you. Sounds like means for controlling masses, rather than how our Creator wants us to live life
See son, we did not Create the Heavens and the Earth. God did. We are playing in His yard, we play by His rules.
One of the mistakes many heathens make is assuming they can 'tweak the play book' to suit. Major penalty.


Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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Default Re: The True Christian™ Guide to Self-Amputation - 01-30-2010, 04:45 PM

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''I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.''
With this, you're making God look very easy
BINGO!

Finally someone who gets it! It is SO easy! All you have to do is surrender to God and follow the KJV 1611 Bible and the rest will happen by itself. You will get EVERYTHING you need in this life and the next.

But INSTEAD, many people go "nah, I don't think God exists" and "if I go to Hell, at least I had fun".

It's really INCREDIBLE that people will refuse to accept God when it really IS so very easy.

Do YOU accept God?


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Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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''I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt:
open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.'' With this, you're making God look very easy
I really don't see your point here. After 40 years, them damned joos got a little thirsty, and God provided. What's wrong with that?

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You don't give much of a choice in life tho. Do everything the Bible and Church tell you, or its eternal suffering and damnation for you. Sounds like means for controlling masses, rather than how our Creator wants us to live life
Again, I as a mere mortal have little to "give". The Bible makes it perfectly clear how to be a good person, and how to be unsaved trash.

And of course God controlls the masses. How could he be God if He didn't? That would be a joke, right?

Anyway, you seemed to think the Bible is only about happy clappy folk'. It's not.

If I at least made that clear to you, then I may have accomplished something today.

Don't forget that it's never too late friend. Free will, you said it. The difference between sippin' a cold one with the Lord, and ending up in Hell (a really nasty place, BTW) is YOUR choice.


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Default Re: The True Christian™ Guide to Self-Amputation - 01-30-2010, 04:51 PM

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He loves all the children who love Him back.
And those that use the mind he has given them for a change and DARE to question the origins and intentions of what they were told is right and what to believe since the vulnerable ages of 4 years may be wrong, but still do believe in him and follow the teachings that don't promote violence and intolerance are sent straight to hell. Yep, makes perfect sense.

Children are too young to know where they stand on such issues,
just as they are too young to know where they stand on economics
or politics. It's not right for you to strip them of their freedom of choice and free will, which you yourself agree God has given us, and condemn them because their opinions and beliefs don't fit with yours
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And those that use the mind he has given them for a change and DARE to question the origins and intentions of what they were told is right and what to believe since the vulnerable ages of 4 years may be wrong, but still do believe in him and follow the teachings that don't promote violence and intolerance are sent straight to hell. Yep, makes perfect sense.

Children are too young to know where they stand on such issues,
just as they are too young to know where they stand on economics
or politics. It's not right for you to strip them of their freedom of choice and free will, which you yourself agree God has given us, and condemn them because their opinions and beliefs don't fit with yours
Brian, we are not doing that. The Bible instructs us to. We simply follow what it say.

Once the child become old enough to understand, it has the opportunity to repent the sins it carries. But until that point in time, the child damned. Do not get mad at us. How does that saying go, something like "Do not shot the messinger".


Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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And those that use the mind he has given them for a change and DARE to question the origins and intentions of what they were told is right and what to believe since the vulnerable ages of 4 years may be wrong, but still do believe in him and follow the teachings that don't promote violence and intolerance are sent straight to hell. Yep, makes perfect sense.
Brian, I'm sure you are a clever guy. But... what I'm saying is that we - at Landover Baptist Church - follow the whole Bible. Where would we be without it? Do you have any secundary sources for the teachings of Christ?

No, you - and we - don't. We only know about Jesus because we have the Bible.

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Children are too young to know where they stand on such issues,
just as they are too young to know where they stand on economics
or politics.
Of course they are, and that's where parents are in charge of disciplining them.

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It's not right for you to strip them of their freedom of choice and free will, which you yourself agree God has given us, and condemn them because their opinions and beliefs don't fit with yours
Can you tell my where I stripped anyone of their freedom of choice?

I don't condemn them, the Bible does (and tells me to condemn them). Can you please make the distinction between me - Wide-Open - and the Word of God?

Thank you.


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Default Re: The True Christian™ Guide to Self-Amputation - 01-30-2010, 05:18 PM

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Again, I as a mere mortal have little to "give". The Bible makes it perfectly clear how to be a good person, and how to be unsaved trash.
Mere mortals WROTE the Bible, and mere mortals EDITED and TRANSLATED the Bible. A holy book that supposedly contains the rules to life and only true word of God shouldn't be edited at all. It should be kept as it is, without people writing their own stuff in, and taking stuff they don't like out.

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And of course God controlls the masses. How could he be God if He didn't? That would be a joke, right?
God obviously doesn't control the masses, else there would be no ''heathens''. If you stop and take a look around, you would notice that God doesn't control anything really.

Now, I want you to know something. This is sincere. When it comes to believing in God, I tried. I tried to believe that there is a God who created us in his own image, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the
more you look around, the more you realize, something is piffleed up.
Something is wrong here.

War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, etc... Now, I know what you're gonna say, that this is all what we brought upon us ourselves. But just now, you said that God controls the masses, so there. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being.

So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit(which would explain a lot of these results, by the way).

I decided to do the reasonable thing and believe in another higher power. It has no name, it doesn't judge cruelly, it doesn't tell me I'm a bad person that needs to be saved, it just is. Just like the universe just is. Just like life just is. There is no explanation, and probably never will be. It's up to you if you will listen, or keep believing in that nonsense.

I rest my case.
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Default Re: The True Christian™ Guide to Self-Amputation - 01-30-2010, 05:21 PM

And James, every post you make reeks of hypocrisy, contradicts itself, and makes no sense. Please, just stop.
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Default Re: The True Christian™ Guide to Self-Amputation - 01-30-2010, 05:25 PM

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Brian, I'm sure you are a clever guy. But... what I'm saying is that we - at Landover Baptist Church - follow the whole Bible. Where would we be without it? Do you have any secundary sources for the teachings of Christ?

No, you - and we - don't. We only know about Jesus because we have the Bible.
You do, and of course you are free to do so. I won't tell or instruct you what to believe and I wont tell you whats right and wrong. It's up to you to decide that for yourself, but you have to know and live with the consequences of your actions and decisions.





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I don't condemn them, the Bible does (and tells me to condemn them). Can you please make the distinction between me - Wide-Open - and the Word of God?
That one contradicts itself. First you say you don't condemn them, but the Bible does. Then you say you DO condemn them because the Bible does. So in the end, you do condemn them.
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Default Re: The True Christian™ Guide to Self-Amputation - 01-30-2010, 05:27 PM

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Mere mortals WROTE the Bible, and mere mortals EDITED and TRANSLATED the Bible.
That is only true technically because God dictated it to them.

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without people writing their own stuff in, and taking stuff they don't like out.
Exactemundo! Welcome to True Christianity!


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So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit(which would explain a lot of these results, by the way).

You are basing that statement on your assumption that God should do everything for us like a slave. It doesn't work that way. God gave us everything we need, including life, souls and this earth. If you build your house on sand, don't blame God for your choices.


Don't you find it reasonable that we as humans at least try to do something constructive with the gigantic gift that God gave us?


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Matthew 7:22
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Asking a Christian to prove God exists is like asking him to prove his phone rings because yours doesn't. Make that call yourself! Dial 0800-get-on-your-knees-and-pray.
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Mere mortals WROTE the Bible, and mere mortals EDITED and TRANSLATED the Bible.
Brian, it may not be a surprise to you: we heard that argument before.

But.

If God is all powerful, why would He allow to have His Manual corrupted like that. That doesn't make sense, does it?

Either you accept the idea of an omnipotent Being (as I do) or you just reject it right off the bat. Right?

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Now, I want you to know something. This is sincere. When it comes to believing in God, I tried. I tried to believe that there is a God who created us in his own image, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the
more you look around, the more you realize, something is piffleed up.Something is wrong here.
Friend, I don't blame you. You are searching, and you see the ugliness around you. May you come to the right conclusion.

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But just now, you said that God controls the masses, so there. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme Being.
Well, it helps that He never has to apply for a job.

(sorry! just joking Lord!)

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I decided to do the reasonable thing and believe in another higher power. It has no name, it doesn't judge cruelly, it doesn't tell me I'm a bad person that needs to be saved, it just is. Just like the universe just is. Just like life just is. There is no explanation, and probably never will be. It's up to you if you will listen, or keep believing in that nonsense.
I don't think you are a bad person Brian, just a little bit confused. Let's face it: what evidence do you have for this "universal" God? None, right?

Heck, you might as well become an atheist!

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That's a shame, as I thought we were having a real conversation here.

I will pray for you though.


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Smile Re: The True Christian™ Guide to Self-Amputation - 01-30-2010, 05:31 PM

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And James, every post you make reeks of hypocrisy, contradicts itself, and makes no sense. Please, just stop.
Well, aren't you Mr. Negativity. Who put the bees under your bonnet.

It is obvous that my short but sweet, direct to the point comments are too much for your gentile ears.

I was unaware you were the internet police.


Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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