[Muqtada Al-Amriki]

Hello my friends I know everybody still on edge and freak out because of what Omar Mateen did at Orlando nightclub "Pulse."

And right now I want to say to you this man Omar Mateen, the mass shooter, he is not, I repeat NOT a true Muslim!




And I call upon all my fellow Muslim to CONDEMN this man.


Maybe you are not believe me and maybe you want to say he is example of how all Muslims act, but please hear my words and decide for yourself.


I am sure after you hear what I say, you will agree with me everything this man does is against Islamic teaching.


1. Orlando shooter failed to control his first wife and allow her to divorce him.


I mean come on, what kind of Muslim man can not enforce discipline in his house? Omar should have read Quran 4:34:

The men are made responsible for the women,** and God has endowed them with certain qualities, and made them the bread earners. The righteous women will cheerfully accept this arrangement, since it is God's commandment, and honor their husbands during their absence. If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then (you may use negative incentives like) deserting them in bed, then you may (as a last alternative) beat them. If they obey you, you are not permitted to transgress against them. God is Most High, Supreme.

And divorce? Divorce only allowed in Islam for very extreme things, like if bride family fool you and you look under her clothes and she have a doodool!


And his wife, after he let her run away? Did she fear and respect him enough to wait three menstruations before hopping in bed with other man? I do not know, but Quran 2:228 require it:

The divorced women shall wait three menstruations (before marrying another man). It is not lawful for them to conceal what God creates in their wombs, if they believe in God and the Last Day. (In case of pregnancy,)the husband's wishes shall supersede the wife's wishes, if he wants to remarry her. The women have rights, as well as obligations, equitably. Thus, the man's wishes prevail (in case of pregnancy). God is Almighty, Most Wise.

You know she did not wait! Why he married a woman who would do that?




2. Orlando Shooter goes on Tinder app and goes to gay nightclubs and is a gay.




OK what else can I say about this man? He is on the gay dating app and he is going in the gay clubs and make a disgrace of himself, having gay relation, which is PROHIBIT in Quran.




You all know Quran (7:80-84) say gay homosexual is to be STONED TO DEATH.

80. And (remember) Lout (Lot), when he said to his people: "Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the'Alamin (mankind and jinns)?
81. "Verily, you practise your lusts on men instead of women. Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds (by committing great sins)."
82. And the answer of his people was only that they said: "Drive them out of your town, these are indeed men who want to be pure (from sins)!"
83. Then We saved him and his family, except his wife; she was of those who remained behind (in the torment).

84. And We rained down on them a rain (of stones). Then see what was the end of theMujrimun (criminals, polytheists, sinners, etc.).

This Omar Mateen, he bring so much shame and embarrassment to Muslim community, I wish he will be alive again just so I can stone him back to death.


Disgusting, filthy man!




So there you have it my friends, Orlando Shooter should be CONDEMNED by all good Muslims.


I DENOUNCE his behavior!




Thank you.

[Nobar King]

We know you terrorists wish that he had killed more people. I'm not afraid of you.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Those of terrorist descent should not be allowed to buy guns.

We need to be separate from all peoples of terrorist descent:

2nd Chronicles19:2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD .
Matthew 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Matthew 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
Matthew 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
Matthew 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Matthew 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Matthew 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Matthew 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company , and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
John 15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
1st Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
2nd Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2nd Corinthians 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2nd Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2nd Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate , saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

1st John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1st John 3:13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
2nd John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2nd John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2nd John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Ro:16:17: Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Ro:16:18: For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. Romans 16:17-18

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 2 Corinthians 6:14-15

Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 2 Thessalonians 3:6

Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. 1 Timothy 6:5

But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 2 Timothy 2:16

For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision [i.e., the Jews]: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. Titus 1:10-14

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 Peter 2:1

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:22

When Trump romps home there will be a wall around all those types and I'd be happy to be the bus driver on that golf course, I'll tell you what, I expect?

Who's with me?

YIC

[Redeemed Papist]

Bacon.

Now run away, towel head.

[Ezekiel Bathfire]

Before I praiwe your general attitude, a few critical points:

Originally Posted by Muqtada Al-Amriki

Hello my friends I know everybody still on edge and freak out because of what Omar Mateen did at Orlando nightclub "Pulse."

Elsewhere I have pointed out that as a Gay he had no moral compass. That guidance comes only from God, through Jesus and The Holy spirit.

And right now I want to say to you this man Omar Mateen, the mass shooter, he is not, I repeat NOT a true Muslim!

Your error here is to use the "No True Scotsman" fallacy in which the perp is disowned after, and not before the event.

And

I call upon all my fellow Muslim to CONDEMN this man.

ISIS seem to have claimed him for their own...

Maybe you are not believe me and maybe you want to say he is example of how all Muslims act, but please hear my words and decide for yourself.

This is exact what I said I would do - it is very rude to tell me to do what I have already said I would do!

I am sure after you hear what I say, you will agree with me everything this man does is against Islamic teaching.

On principle, as you have no moral compass either, even if what you say agrees with me, you would be saying it for the wrong reasons.

1. Orlando shooter failed to control his first wife and allow her to divorce him.

Which proves that Allan (or what ever you call your god) is a false god who imparts no power to his deluded followers.

I mean come on, what kind of Muslim man can not enforce discipline in his house? Omar should have read Quran 4:34:

I have never been in a Muslim house - I suspect I would have to have the same amounts of shots as when you go to Africa.

And divorce? Divorce only allowed in Islam for very extreme things, like if bride family fool you and you look under her clothes and she have a doodool!

Christianity is far more civilized - you get to look at your bride beforehand.[quote]


[Image designed to arouse unnatural passions deleted]

2. Orlando Shooter goes on Tinder app and goes to gay nightclubs and is a gay.OK what else can I say about this man? He is on the gay dating app and he is going in the gay clubs and make a disgrace of himself, having gay relation, which is PROHIBIT in Quran.You all know Quran (7:80-84) say

gay homosexual is to be STONED TO DEATH

Unfortunately I have run out of time and there is no room to offer you any support.

My advice is that you stop being a Muslim and accept Jesus.

[Just Chris]

Originally Posted by Dr Laurence Niles

Those of terrorist descent should not be allowed to buy guns.

We need to be separate from all peoples of terrorist descent:

2nd Chronicles19:2 And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD .
Matthew 8:21 And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Matthew 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.
Matthew 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
Matthew 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Matthew 12:47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
Matthew 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Matthew 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Matthew 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Luke 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company , and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
John 15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
1st Corinthians 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
2nd Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2nd Corinthians 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
2nd Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
2nd Corinthians 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate , saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

1st John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1st John 3:13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
2nd John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2nd John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2nd John 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
Ro:16:17: Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Ro:16:18: For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple. Romans 16:17-18

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 2 Corinthians 6:14-15

Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 2 Thessalonians 3:6

Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself. 1 Timothy 6:5

But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 2 Timothy 2:16

For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision [i.e., the Jews]: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. Titus 1:10-14

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 Peter 2:1

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:22

When Trump romps home there will be a wall around all those types and I'd be happy to be the bus driver on that golf course, I'll tell you what, I expect?

Who's with me?

YIC

It would be wrong to treat the descendents of the terrorist that way because we shouldn't judge someone due to the actions of their family members. Based on your logic it would be like saying we should arrest anyone who is descendant to a thief so they couldn't get the chance to steal anything. Also their is a chance their descendants might disagree with those in their family who are terrorist and want nothing to do with them.

[Dr Laurence Niles]

Originally Posted by Chris-the-Knuckle-Head

It would be wrong to treat the descendents of the terrorist that way because we shouldn't judge someone due to the actions of their family members. Based on your logic it would be like saying we should arrest anyone who is descendant to a thief so they couldn't get the chance to steal anything. Also their is a chance their descendants might disagree with those in their family who are terrorist and want nothing to do with them.

Do you hate Jesus so much that you ignore His very written word?

Exodus 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation

Your move, atheist.

YIC

[Titus Templeton]

The space that Islam occupies in Isreal belongs to Christianity by the way.

[Just Chris]

Originally Posted by Dr Laurence Niles

Do you hate Jesus so much that you ignore His very written word?

Exodus 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation

Your move, atheist.

YIC

Lets make a scenario heres. Lets say their a murder and he has son. Should hisson be trated badly or feared that he might become the same when it was his father's actions and not his on.

[Didymus Much]

Originally Posted by Chris-the-Knuckle-Head

Lets make a scenario heres...

Let's make another scenario here. How about you read the Bible (or at least the responses to you in this thread), and see that it says in quite clear English:

Exodus 34:7 "Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation"

There's another bit in there that makes it ten generations for those stupid enough to be born to parents not married to each other, too.

Knowing that, how do you think God wants that son of a murderer treated? According to the Bible, at least, because that's what we're discussing here.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Originally Posted by Chris-the-Knuckle-Head

Lets make a scenario heres. Lets say their a murder and he has son. Should hisson be trated badly or feared that he might become the same when it was his father's actions and not his on.

Another scenario would be to ask an adult to help you rewrite this in comprehensible American, so that we might at least understand what you're talking about.

[FranklinAndPearl]

Franklin here.

Say, Chris. I remember seeing a story about a year or so ago of a Chris from Fort Hood, Killeen, TX, exactly where you say you are from on your About Me, who killed some dogs and took a picture with their dead carcasses. He was also a soldier. That would not happen to be you, now, would it son?


Regards, Franklin

[Just Chris]

Originally Posted by FranklinAndPearl

Franklin here.

Say, Chris. I remember seeing a story about a year or so ago of a Chris from Fort Hood, Killeen, TX, exactly where you say you are from on your About Me, who killed some dogs and took a picture with their dead carcasses. He was also a soldier. That would not happen to be you, now, would it son?


Regards, Franklin

' that is not me and also you may not know this but Chris is a very common name.

[Howard L. Schlangern]

Originally Posted by Muqtada Al-Amriki

Orlando Shooter should be CONDEMNED by all good Muslims.

I DENOUNCE his behavior!

Thank you.

Dear Confused Ishmaelite,


The Angel of the Lord has spoken prophetically about the relations between your kind and God's people:

"And the angel of theLordsaid unto her, Behold, thou art with child and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because theLordhath heard thy affliction.
And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren."~Genesis 16:11-12



Good Mohammedans are just doing what they have been bred [in sin] to do


~H. L. Schlangern

[Muqtada Al-Amriki]

Originally Posted by Ezekiel Bathfire

...a few critical points...

Ezekiel, thank you for your thoughts on this. But I want to know, do YOU think it is OK that Omar Mateen was on gay dating apps and going to gay nightclubs?


Do YOU think it is OK for him to just let his wife get a divorce?




I say NO.

[Brother Harold Porter]

Originally Posted by Muqtada Al-Amriki

Ezekiel, thank you for your thoughts on this. But I want to know, do YOU think it is OK that Omar Mateen was on gay dating apps and going to gay nightclubs?

Of course no Christian would approve of any man cruising for gay analism. Your own ridiculous book even tells you this.


But it needs to be kept in context that most Muslim men are, at least, partially closeted homosexuals. Christian men love women! And we expect that they join the men in intercourse for Christ.


Muslim men, on the other hand, have such visceral hatred of the lesser sex. This naturally leads to an alternative means of satisfying the spasm of the prostate. And to that end, almost exclusively within the bowels of another man.


When I chose to be gay, my mornings were filled with random couplings with Arabic men, and they always consented. I would bat the turban off their heads, anally assault them, see it through to the finish, and they always thanked me for my gift.


Of course, this was long before I found Jesus. But the Muslims still stalk me for what I once was. The Arabic lust for homo-rectal fudge-packing is apparently insatiable.


In Christ

[Faith_Machine]

Muqtada, I couldn't help but notice you've had a lot to say about Omar Mateen's homosexuality, but you've been strangely silent on the topic of the act of terrorism he committed.


Is there some reason you, as a Muslim, have not condemned this cowardly act?

[Muqtada Al-Amriki]

Thank you for your question, Mr. Faith. I think this come down to a difference between our two religion, but let me say I respect that you have a different practice.



You see, in Christian Bible, it say you should obey all local laws. So I understand you have no choice but to condemn Omar Mateen's shooting spree, as it is against local law in Florida and against US law.




But in Islam, you see, we do not have separate church and state. Ideal thing is for both religion and law to be under one control, which is Islam.


So if you are living in Muslim country, of course you obey sharia.


But for Muslim living outside Muslim country, Quran does not command us to follow every local law all the time.




So in our teaching, yes Omar Mateen did something against local law, but we do not have to condemn him for breaking local secular law.


Is much more important he follow God's law, you know?


And I don't think he breaks God's law with the shooting in the nightclub. Only the gay sex he had was haram.


Hope this helps!

[Just Chris]

Originally Posted by Muqtada Al-Amriki

Thank you for your question, Mr. Faith. I think this come down to a difference between our two religion, but let me say I respect that you have a different practice.



You see, in Christian Bible, it say you should obey all local laws. So I understand you have no choice but to condemn Omar Mateen's shooting spree, as it is against local law in Florida and against US law.




But in Islam, you see, we do not have separate church and state. Ideal thing is for both religion and law to be under one control, which is Islam.


So if you are living in Muslim country, of course you obey sharia.


But for Muslim living outside Muslim country, Quran does not command us to follow every local law all the time.




So in our teaching, yes Omar Mateen did something against local law, but we do not have to condemn him for breaking local secular law.


Is much more important he follow God's law, you know?


And I don't think he breaks God's law with the shooting in the nightclub. Only the gay sex he had was haram.


Hope this helps!

My friend you are proof of what i have been trying to preach here that all Muslims aren't terrorist, before I went to Iraq I use to think like most Americans and though all Muslims were the scum of the earth but their was one while I was in battle our squad got overran and we retreated in the retreat I was shot down and I told them all to leave my life was not worth losing theirs. My fellow brother's in arm's respected my wishes the terrorist decided to leave me and let me suffer by doing slowly in that damn desert. While I laid their bleeding out on the verge of a death that was gonna come sooner or later a group of Muslims found me, gave me medical aid and helped me return to my base. It was that group that changed my views of your people. I though that since those Muslims saved me a solider whose fighting has destroyed many peoples homes and whose guns have killed many innocent men, woman and children then their are surely others like them who can see the evils of what Al-Qaida was doing. During my time their I saw several who were kill by Al-Qaida who were killed because they wouldent join them. The war changed me a lot, it made me a more tolerant man and never judge a whole religion based on a few bad people in it. I'm not proud of everything I did while I was fighting, I remember their was one day while I fighting an innocent mother and her baby child were killed by my gun in the crossfire. Every night since then I normally dream of that one because of me a child who probably wasn't even a year old died. Their were many others like them who were killed and they didn't deserve it. I pray every night for the Lord to help me with these nightmares. Everyone I knew that was killed by me because they were caught in the crossfire I remember every exact detail of them. I hope these Christians that say all if your people are terrorist will one day learn the truth like I have.

[Joanna Lytton-Vasey]

Originally Posted by Chris-the-Knuckle-Head

The same bullsh*t story for the umpteenth time.