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Default Re: Autism - the New Gay - 05-19-2017, 06:41 PM

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So much for turning the other cheek...
He is an atheist, so he will not turn the other cheek. He will look your IP, guess your address and stalk you. I know, he has done it in the past.


I will recommend you to read the Bible again. I don't want to see you losing and argument about God with an atheist.


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Default Re: Autism - the New Gay - 05-19-2017, 06:50 PM

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So much for turning the other cheek...
This is cribbed from a response I made to someone else who didn't fully understand what "turning the other cheek" means (I didn't feel like typing it all out again):

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I also know how few people actually understand what "turn the other cheek" really means. If you follow this link, you'll find the verse in question (Matthew 5:39) as it appears in 20 of the most common Bibles in use today. Notice how they ALL specify that someone's hitting your RIGHT cheek. Curious (or telling?), as there is very little else they agree on.

Back then, only the right hand was used for touching others. The left (as is still common in many countries) was used for toilet purposes. If I was to strike you on the right cheek using my right hand, it would have to be a backhand strike. This was the disciplinary method used on slaves and servants, and showed the the striker considered the other to be below them, socially.

By only presenting the left cheek as a target, you would force me to use a forehand strike, with the concomitant acknowledgement of you as my social equal.

Thus, we see that the "turn the other cheek" passage is NOT an instruction to yield unconditionally to any aggressor (as it has been portrayed by many, who either do not understand, or consciously wish to misrepresent, the message of the Bible), but instead is a passive-aggressive way of forcing them to treat you as an equal.
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And another one. Read this: The Most MISUNDERSTOOD Passage in All the Bible (Matthew 7:1-5)


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Default Re: Autism - the New Gay - 05-19-2017, 09:45 PM

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He is an atheist, so he will not turn the other cheek.
Being your enemy is even more reason to love them, not less.
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Being your enemy is even more reason to love them, not less.
What?
He has already put you to shame but knowing more about the other cheek and the not judging thing.


Now you are talking nonsense. I prefer you to stop calling yourself a Christian, you are making a fool of all of us.


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Nonsense?
Complete and utter, dear.

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That's not what that verse means. Jesus was talking about following Him, right then and there, rather than worrying about burying your parents first.
Think it through, dear. Who is the subject doing the burial? "The dead." The Spiritually Walking Dead, that is. Most people you will ever meet on this earth will be alive, and yet spiritually dead. Does this surprise you? If you've read the Gospels, it shouldn't. Jesus says so again and again.

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Well first, Pastor Zeke isn't Jesus. Judge not lest thee be judged.
Don't be silly! True Christians™ aren't afraid of judgement (Isaiah 43:25)! Why, we've even been conscripted with the command to judge others (John 7:24)!

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Whatever you do to the least of His people, you do to Him. Being mean-spirited, even towards the seemingly hell-bound, is being mean-spirited to Jesus, himself.
Read that again, dear. Whatever you do to the least of His People. That is not everyone. Jesus did not come to redeem unrepentant sinners. You might find Pastor Zeke's sermon enlightening on the matter. As always, it is 100% Biblically accurate. Guaranteed!

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Default Re: Autism - the New Gay - 05-21-2017, 03:10 PM

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What?
He has already put you to shame but knowing more about the other cheek and the not judging thing.
Nah, I reject both of those interpretations.

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Now you are talking nonsense. I prefer you to stop calling yourself a Christian, you are making a fool of all of us.

Thanks for your opinion, but no.


I'm a Christian and you guys are wrong on this one.
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Complete and utter, dear.
Well that explains it, not!

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Think it through, dear. Who is the subject doing the burial? "The dead." The Spiritually Walking Dead, that is.

No, that doesn't make sense in the context of the chapter. That interpretation must be wrong.


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Don't be silly! True Christians™ aren't afraid of judgement (Isaiah 43:25)!

Isaiah 43:25 doesn't have anything to do with that.




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Why, we've even been conscripted with the command to judge others (John 7:24)!

No, Jesus wasn't saying that you have free reign to judge others nor to go do it. He was talking to a crowd that just called Him "demon-possessed" about judging working on the Sabbath hypocritically. They didn't like that He had healed somebody, and He was all: "Yeah but what about you guys doing circumcisions. Judge it right."

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Read that again, dear. Whatever you do to the least of His People. That is not everyone.

Yeah, no. Christianity is not a private club that members treat other people based on their inclusion or not.


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Jesus did not come to redeem unrepentant sinners. You might find Pastor Zeke's sermon enlightening on the matter. As always, it is 100% Biblically accurate. Guaranteed!

Thanks, but I'll pass.


That's beside the point though. No salvation without repentance doesn't have to with how you should treat other people despite whether or not they're "true believers" like yourself.


You should treat people kindly and fairly, and not be mean-spirited.
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You should treat people kindly and fairly, and not be mean-spirited.
That would be the antithesis of how the Holy Bible teaches True Christians™ to behave. Let me guess, you've never actually read the Bible, have you? Oh, I'm sure you've read parts here and there, familiar with most of the stories in the Pentateuch, mostly the Gospels, a bit of the New Testament (glossing over the parts that seem contradictory or confusing), and certainly the Psalms when you feel doubt creeping in. But you've never read it through, with an open heart, allowing the Holy Ghost to guide you, have you? I can tell because you're promoting what we can clearly attribute to a 21st century, western, privileged cultural worldview.

How convenient for you that the LORD was speaking to all people across the entire world in all times just to fit your circumstances, two thousand years later and many thousands of miles away.

You say the LORD wants us to treat people fairly and kindly, and yet that would be awfully subjective and problematic, don't you think? I think it's kind to steer people away from the path to perdition, but you think it's kind to protect and validate another's emotional comfort. You speak of kind as if everyone were equal, and yet the Holy Bible goes to great lengths to remind us we each of us have a particular function in this world, and they are not equal (Romans 9:20). Essentially, you're asking us to validate you desire to relegate every part of the Holy Bible that doesn't line up with your personal experiences as either metaphorical, or irrelevant.

Is that so kind of you to try and change our faith when we hold it so dearly?


Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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That would be the antithesis of how the Holy Bible teaches True Christians™ to behave.
The Bible tells you to be mean-spirited, unkind, and unfair?


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Let me guess, you've never actually read the Bible, have you? Oh, I'm sure you've read parts here and there, familiar with most of the stories in the Pentateuch, mostly the Gospels, a bit of the New Testament (glossing over the parts that seem contradictory or confusing), and certainly the Psalms when you feel doubt creeping in. But you've never read it through, with an open heart, allowing the Holy Ghost to guide you, have you? I can tell because you're promoting what we can clearly attribute to a 21st century, western, privileged cultural worldview.

Well that was just prejudiced. Please don't act like a jerk.

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You say the LORD wants us to treat people fairly and kindly, and yet that would be awfully subjective and problematic, don't you think?

No, I don't.


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I think it's kind to steer people away from the path to perdition,

Sure, but as they say: you get more bees with honey.


I'm surprised you're fighting so strongly against the simple notion of being nice.


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but you think it's kind to protect and validate another's emotional comfort.

Nope. Hey, how about I tell you what I think, and you tell me what you think. And you don't tell me what I think, and I won't tell you what you think.


Sound good?


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You speak of kind as if everyone were equal, and yet the Holy Bible goes to great lengths to remind us we each of us have a particular function in this world, and they are not equal (Romans 9:20). Essentially, you're asking us to validate you desire to relegate every part of the Holy Bible that doesn't line up with your personal experiences as either metaphorical, or irrelevant.

Is that so kind of you to try and change our faith when we hold it so dearly?

Now you're just Gish Galloping...


You were wrong about the verses you posted earlier and you didn't address my responses to them.


Until you do, I will not consider more verses from you.
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...I'm a Christian and you guys are wrong on this one.
You truly believe that girls who get raped should be forced to marry their rapists? The True Christians™ do. That's the bar the Bible sets for those who would call themselves "Christian".

And to the True Christians™: my apologies (in advance) for the ensuing "oh but those words in plain English don't mean what they seem to and I know that I know the Truth because the Spirit talks through me and me alone" bullshit to come from our visitor.


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And to the True Christians™: my apologies (in advance) for the ensuing "oh but those words in plain English don't mean what they seem to and I know that I know the Truth because the Spirit talks through me and me alone" bullshit to come from our visitor.
That's all right, Didymus. We're used to it, just as we're used to people piling in and starting an argument without having the courtesy to (a) read the thread they're posting on or (b) first start a thread in the Introduction Forum to introduce themselves, as requested by the pastors when they join these forums. Maybe the inability to follow even the simplest instructions is an autistic thing - fortunately, I wouldn't know.


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Default Re: Autism - the New Gay - 05-21-2017, 09:14 PM

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The Bible tells you to be mean-spirited, unkind, and unfair?
Don't be such a cry-baby. The Bible tells me to judge with righteousness and put away from my company those who do not have Jesus in their hearts (1 Corinthians 5:13).

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Well that was just prejudiced. Please don't act like a jerk.
You may think I act like a jerk but the Bible tells me this is to be expected. The Gospel is foolishness to the Spiritually Walking Dead (1 Corinthians 1:18), and True Christians™ will always be a mystery to sinners like you.

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No, I don't.
Then you're not thinking very hard about this. "Fair" and "kind" are subjectively determined. It is "fair" to expect a woman to wear a full burqa in Saudi Arabia, while it is "fair" to expect a woman on the beach in France to have no top. Do you see how fairness can be understood and applied according to various cultural expectations? Even in one culture, microcultural expectations are different. It is "fair" in an Italian-American family to yell and shout when upset with someone. It is "fair" in a British-American family to keep one's emotions suppressed and solve issues quietly. You may not think it's "fair" for a rapist to be punished by being compelled to marry the woman he victimizes, but God doesn't care (Deuteronomy 22:28-29). So I would suggest you stop worrying about "fair" and start focusing on how you can serve the Lord thy God without whining.

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Sure, but as they say: you get more bees with honey.
I kill bees when I see them.

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I'm surprised you're fighting so strongly against the simple notion of being nice.
Ask anyone here. They'll tell you I'm quite nice.

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Nope. Hey, how about I tell you what I think, and you tell me what you think. And you don't tell me what I think, and I won't tell you what you think.
No deal. Instead, you can recognize what the Holy Bible actually says to believe or stop calling yourself a believer.

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Now you're just Gish Galloping...


You were wrong about the verses you posted earlier and you didn't address my responses to them.


Until you do, I will not consider more verses from you.

You are holding this conversation hostage until I address your rebuttal of Isaiah? Goodness, how old are you?

Let me spell it out for you in a 5th grade reading comprehension. You say it's not relevant that God ignores my sins when He judges me for my behavior. You say it's irrelevant that the Bible assures me that once I have been Saved, I am incapable of sinning. You say these things are not true despite the Holy Bible making these claims.

Your responses fall into the category of rendering Bible verses irrelevant when they don't line up with your personal experience, just like I said. All caught up now?

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Default Re: Autism - the New Gay - 05-22-2017, 05:00 AM

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Don't be such a cry-baby.

Now your resorting to name calling? I mean, when you're wrong you are wrong, but there's no reason to be so immature.


I'd tell you how I really feal, but Alvin Moss sent me a PM calling me a "Sassy-Mouthed Feminazi Bitch"* for offering backsass back to you and handed me an infraction of 43 points (whatever that means).


Apparently you are allowed to sass me but I am not allowed to sass you. Go figure.


*that's hilarious because I'm a conservative male and not a femisnist, although I can return a little sass when it's dished out to me - unfortunately the moderation here is extremely biased. I assume I'll get booted sometime soon. I know your ideas can't stand up to opposition so it must be silenced.


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You may think I act like a jerk but the Bible tells me this is to be expected. The Gospel is foolishness to the Spiritually Walking Dead (1 Corinthians 1:18), and True Christians™ will always be a mystery to sinners like you.

You don't know anything about my sins, and you're really no mystery: I'm seeing you plain as day.


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"Fair" and "kind" are subjectively determined.

Well duh, it's kind of needed for the definition. But so what? A lot of things are subjectively determined, like you calling me a sinner, so no biggie.


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Do you see how fairness can be understood and applied according to various cultural expectations?

I do see how it could, but am missing the problem? It's not that it must.


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You may not think it's "fair" for a rapist to be punished by being compelled to marry the woman he victimizes, but God doesn't care (Deuteronomy 22:28-29).

You've shown me that I cannot trust your interpretations of Bible verses, and you refuse to respond to my arguments against your interpretations.


So there's really nothing for me to do with this.


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So I would suggest you stop worrying about "fair" and start focusing on how you can serve the Lord thy God without whining.

Consider it done already.


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No deal.

Well, you are literally unable to know what I'm thinking, and I'm the best person to determine what it is I am actually thinking, so maybe you should reconsider. Or you could waste this opportunity.


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Instead, you can recognize what the Holy Bible actually says to believe or stop calling yourself a believer.

You've already proven to me that you don't understand the verses that you reference, so I cannot rely on you to provide what the Bible actually says.


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You are holding this conversation hostage until I address your rebuttal of Isaiah? Goodness, how old are you?

Between 30 and 40 years old.


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You say it's not relevant that God ignores my sins when He judges me for my behavior.

I'm not sure what you're referring to, and I don't recall saying that specifically, but if He's ignoring your sins, what is He judging you on? What you say that you believe? What about when your actions prove that you don't really believe it? No doubt God knows you'd be lying...


Or do you consider that a behavior that you are immune from judgement on? 'Cause you'd just be you assuming you know what you're talking about, and that's already been shown to be wrong.


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You say these things are not true despite the Holy Bible making these claims.

Ha, no. That's not even logical. I could just be saying that you're wrong in thinking that the Bible claims that, for instance.


I do reject your interpretations that I've already exegeted, and until you address my rebuttals I'm not going to be able to further the discussion.


But please don't read too much into that and go on a tirade trying to tell me what I think. I won't read it and it would be a waste of your time.


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Your responses fall into the category of rendering Bible verses irrelevant when they don't line up with your personal experience, just like I said. All caught up now?

I'm caught up, but you're wrong again. It's not that your interpretations don't line up with my personal experience, it's that you're interpretions don't line up with what the Bible actually says.


I've proven that. Until you address my rebuttals of your interpretations, there's really no way to move forward. I simply cannot trust your faulty interpretations of the Bible.
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Default Re: Autism - the New Gay - 05-22-2017, 05:09 AM

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That's all right, Didymus. We're used to it, just as we're used to people piling in and starting an argument without having the courtesy to (a) read the thread they're posting on or (b) first start a thread in the Introduction Forum to introduce themselves, as requested by the pastors when they join these forums. Maybe the inability to follow even the simplest instructions is an autistic thing - fortunately, I wouldn't know.
I got the recommendation via email to 'post in the Introductions forum first' after I had already posted on this thread.


Since you can't know: You're wrong, my inability was caused by a delay in communication, not an autistic thing.


I did start reading the thread, and then found a message that elicited a reply - should I have done that differently?
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Default Re: Autism - the New Gay - 05-22-2017, 05:24 AM

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You truly believe that girls who get raped should be forced to marry their rapists?

In the United States today? No, that's not what Deuteronomy is saying. Check out the preface:


"These are the words Moses spoke to all Israel in the wilderness east of the Jordan—that is, in the Arabah—opposite Suph, between Paran and Tophel, Laban, Hazeroth and Dizahab. (It takes eleven days to go from Horeb to Kadesh Barnea by the Mount Seir road.) In the fortieth year, on the first day of the eleventh month, Moses proclaimed to the Israelites all that the Lord had commanded him concerning them. ..."


I'm not an Israelite, so these commands from the Lord do not concern *me*. God doesn't want me to force girls who get raped to marry their rapists, that stuff is almost pre-historic. And it flies in the face of the teachings of Jesus - who taught us to not worry so much about this OT stuff, and focus on loving each other instead.


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The True Christians™ do. That's the bar the Bible sets for those who would call themselves "Christian".
I don't agree to that - the Bible doesn't say that I have to believe that girls who get raped should be forced to marry their rapists in order to be a Christian. And again, that flies in the face of what Jesus taught us.


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And to the True Christians™: my apologies (in advance) for the ensuing "oh but those words in plain English don't mean what they seem to and I know that I know the Truth because the Spirit talks through me and me alone" bullshit to come from our visitor.
Well that goes against this site's principle of "least scripture twisting", now doesn't it?


It's like those interpretations I rejected above, where you have to know the secret decoding information to properly interpret what the verse actually means. I think it had something to do with "toilet purposes".


From Pastor Billy-Reuben: "We believe that the best way to understand a passage is to read it as a child would read it. If you are in doubt as to what a passage means, ask a child to read it and tell you what he thinks it means."


I'm pretty sure a child wouldn't make *that* connection.
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Default Re: Autism - the New Gay - 05-22-2017, 05:38 AM

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In the United States today? No, that's not what Deuteronomy is saying. Check out the preface:


"These are the words Moses spoke to all Israel in the wilderness east of the Jordan—that is, in the Arabah—opposite Suph, between Paran and Tophel, Laban, Hazeroth and Dizahab. (It takes eleven days to go from Horeb to Kadesh Barnea by the Mount Seir road.) In the fortieth year, on the first day of the eleventh month, Moses proclaimed to the Israelites all that the Lord had commanded him concerning them. ..."


I'm not an Israelite, so these commands from the Lord do not concern *me*. God doesn't want me to force girls who get raped to marry their rapists, that stuff is almost pre-historic.
By your logic, you can say this about literally any part of the Bible. Watch...


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And it flies in the face of the teachings of Jesus - who taught us to not worry so much about this OT stuff, and focus on loving each other instead.
31 When he was gone, Jesus said, “Now the Son of Man is glorified and God is glorified in him. 32 If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once.
33 “My children, I will be with you only a little longer. You will look for me, and just as I told the Jews, so I tell you now: Where I am going, you cannot come.
34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

This is a closed audience. Jesus is only meeting with the 12 here, so again by your logic, Jesus is only speaking to the 12.

See how that works?

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I don't agree to that - the Bible doesn't say that I have to believe that girls who get raped should be forced to marry their rapists in order to be a Christian. And again, that flies in the face of what Jesus taught us.
Like the part about not one letter or punctuation mark of the Old Testament passing away?

Matthew 5
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

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Well that goes against this site's principle of "least scripture twisting", now doesn't it?
We do. You don't. You read the Bible with an Xacto knife and a highlighter. We wallow in its entirety.


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...And it flies in the face of the teachings of Jesus - who taught us to not worry so much about this OT stuff, and focus on loving each other instead...
Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Some obvious impostor said that, and it obviously got included in the Bible by total random error, obviously?

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"Secret decoding information" = common knowledge of the cultural norms of the era (many of which persist to this day in that area of the globe).

The "passive aggressive" thing is, admittedly, my reading, which though Landover hasn't adopted it as official Church policy (it's not Salvation-crucial, so meh), 1) the True Christians™ have never disagreed, and 2) it totally fits Jesus' portrayal in the Gospels. I mean, a god who says "you have to do everything I tell you to do (and perfectly, see John 2:10) or I won't love you enough to not torture you forever" before letting some lowly humans whip and torture him and hang him on a stick because we're just so awful to him (by not praising him constantly for, literally, everything, because he made it, remember). Not completely PA? Really?


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Now your resorting to name calling? I mean, when you're wrong you are wrong, but there's no reason to be so immature.


I'd tell you how I really feal, but Alvin Moss sent me a PM calling me a "Sassy-Mouthed Feminazi Bitch"* for offering backsass back to you and handed me an infraction of 43 points (whatever that means).


Apparently you are allowed to sass me but I am not allowed to sass you. Go figure.
I have a simple solution, follow your own advice to be "fair" and "kind" and stop backsassing me.

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Well duh, it's kind of needed for the definition. But so what?
So your entire argument breaks apart. The Bible doesn't, nor can it logically, call for True Christians™ to be fair and kind, for this is an impossible standard. Do you know what's not an impossible standard? Belief. Believe on Christ and be Saved, doubt or reject His Gospel and be Damned forever and ever (John 3:18).
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Between 30 and 40 years old.
Then act like it.

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I'm not sure what you're referring to, and I don't recall saying that specifically, but if He's ignoring your sins, what is He judging you on? What you say that you believe? What about when your actions prove that you don't really believe it? No doubt God knows you'd be lying...
I've already told you, I'm impervious to lies, and all sins (1st John 3:6-9). I've been Saved, washed clean by the Blood of Christ, and have no desire to sin any more (1st John 5:18). My judgement will be a glorious moment in which I hear the words, "Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord." (Matthew 25:23)

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Ha, no. That's not even logical. I could just be saying that you're wrong in thinking that the Bible claims that, for instance.
Well that would be quite a trick to say the Holy Bible doesn't make certain claims, despite those very claims written on the page. But sure. Go ahead. Let's see you try. Tell me the Bible doesn't claim that Jesus will blot out my sins, that He will remember them no more. Then tell me why He lied when He had Isaiah write these claims.

Or did you not know these claims exist? I think that's it. You're a cherry-picking kind of false-Christian. You've been shown only the juicy, ripe cherries on the tree and had no idea all those other ones - the cherries people find bitter or rotten or infested with worms and growing mold - are even there. That's the difference between a True Christian™ and a false one - True Christians™ accept the entirety of Scripture, no matter how distasteful it may be to the flesh.

Modern churches teach students to ignore what's not juicy and pleasing, but that presents the same problem as "fair" and "kind." When the entire Scripture is understood to be subjectively known, then no one is wrong, and without wrong there can be no right.

Under these circumstances, one's faith is in reality a personal comfort, a mental baby blanket to wrap oneself around when upset, a mental exercise that draws on memories of feeling safe and loved. This faith is simply the ability to self-soothe when necessary. Images of a kindly, mellow friendly, non-judgmental god-man offering support and encouragement are conjured in the mind, but this isn't real faith. This is a phantasm, a ghost, an image, a shadow of what really is.

My poor dear, your faith is not in Christ, it is in your own imagination's ability to comfort you when you seek solace. It lies in the power you have to ease your own pain when you are in need of comfort. Consider instead the Holy Bible means what It says, and says exactly what It means. Consider Redemption. We can help.


Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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Default Re: Autism - the New Gay - 05-24-2017, 01:53 PM

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So your entire argument breaks apart. The Bible doesn't, nor can it logically, call for True Christians™ to be fair and kind, for this is an impossible standard. Do you know what's not an impossible standard? Belief. Believe on Christ and be Saved, doubt or reject His Gospel and be Damned forever and ever (John 3:18).


Then act like it.



I've already told you, I'm impervious to lies, and all sins (1st John 3:6-9). I've been Saved, washed clean by the Blood of Christ, and have no desire to sin any more (1st John 5:18). My judgement will be a glorious moment in which I hear the words, "Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord." (Matthew 25:23)



Well that would be quite a trick to say the Holy Bible doesn't make certain claims, despite those very claims written on the page. But sure. Go ahead. Let's see you try. Tell me the Bible doesn't claim that Jesus will blot out my sins, that He will remember them no more. Then tell me why He lied when He had Isaiah write these claims.

I've already proven that you interpret the Bible wrongly and cannot be trusted, and have told you that until you address my rebuttals of your previous interpretations that I would not be consider more verses from you.

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I think that's it. You're a cherry-picking kind of false-Christian. You've been shown only the juicy, ripe cherries on the tree and had no idea all those other ones - the cherries people find bitter or rotten or infested with worms and growing mold - are even there. That's the difference between a True Christian™ and a false one - True Christians™ accept the entirety of Scripture, no matter how distasteful it may be to the flesh.

Modern churches teach students to ignore what's not juicy and pleasing, but that presents the same problem as "fair" and "kind." When the entire Scripture is understood to be subjectively known, then no one is wrong, and without wrong there can be no right.

Under these circumstances, one's faith is in reality a personal comfort, a mental baby blanket to wrap oneself around when upset, a mental exercise that draws on memories of feeling safe and loved. This faith is simply the ability to self-soothe when necessary. Images of a kindly, mellow friendly, non-judgmental god-man offering support and encouragement are conjured in the mind, but this isn't real faith. This is a phantasm, a ghost, an image, a shadow of what really is.

My poor dear, your faith is not in Christ, it is in your own imagination's ability to comfort you when you seek solace. It lies in the power you have to ease your own pain when you are in need of comfort. Consider instead the Holy Bible means what It says, and says exactly what It means. Consider Redemption. We can help.

Nope, swing and a miss.


Apparently your psychoanalytical skills are as poor as your Biblical interpretation skills.
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Default Re: Autism - the New Gay - 05-24-2017, 04:05 PM

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I've already proven that you interpret the Bible wrongly and cannot be trusted, and have told you that until you address my rebuttals of your previous interpretations that I would not be consider more verses from you.
Translation from temper-tantrum into plain American:

"I don't want to accept that my interpretations could be wrong, so I'll just put hands over my ears and close my eyes and sing LA-LA-LA-LA!"

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OYou're a cherry-picking kind of false-Christian. You've been shown only the juicy, ripe cherries on the tree and had no idea all those other ones - the cherries people find bitter or rotten or infested with worms and growing mold - are even there. That's the difference between a True Christian™ and a false one - True Christians™ accept the entirety of Scripture, no matter how distasteful it may be to the flesh.

Modern churches teach students to ignore what's not juicy and pleasing, but that presents the same problem as "fair" and "kind." When the entire Scripture is understood to be subjectively known, then no one is wrong, and without wrong there can be no right.
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Nope, swing and a miss.

Apparently your psychoanalytical skills are as poor as your Biblical interpretation skills.
After reading Sister Mary's post and then your reply, am I to understand that you do not ignore but rather deeply cherish and agree with verses such as Exodus 15:3, Numbers 31:17-18, Deuteronomy 13:6-10, Joshua 24:19, Psalm 137:9, Hosea 13:16, Luke 14:26, Acts 3:22-24, Revelation 2:23, and all the other verses which indicate that God is cruel and vindictive, and not some kind of free-love-for-all hippie?

I want to be impressed, but I suspect that you did not, in fact, read what Sister Mary said (due to your la-la-la temper tantrum), and you just wrote some random stuff that doesn't actually address the issues she raised.
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