[OnYourKnees]

Originally Posted by vAmPiRiAgOtHiKa

You dont have to love someone to stop hating him. Thats stupid. That person would be whatever to me. Tell me, if you see sum1 you have never saw before on the street, you dont love that person, but you dont hate him/her either...

I love every Saved person I see on the streets of Freehold.

In other places, I also love every Saved person I see on the streets.

I pity the others and hope that one day they will understand Jesus' offer of unconditional* love!

*Unconditional love offer is subject to the following conditions: Recipient of Jesus' Unconditional Love must agree to love, praise, worship, and serve Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit, along with their heirs and assigns, for all eternity. Breach of contract will result in Recipient's being cast into the Lake of Fire for infinite and eternal torture along with billions of the vile unSaved.

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Originally Posted by WiccanCouple6

No need to be "rescued" from Wicca. One must be a TRUE Wiccan to belong anyway. Were you born with a Wiccan Soul? I was, That was my calling. Wicca is not something to convert to, You either are or you aren't.

As a pagan, I'll offer my opinion here.

A true wiccan?

Umm....you do know that wicca has only been around 50-ish years or so, right? It is the Pagan roots of wicca that are ancient.

I agree that not everyone is going to be inclined to be Pagan, or Wiccan. But it sounds a little odd that you describe it as you do....a wiccan soul? Such a soul, then, would have to be less than 50 years in age?

[OnYourKnees]

Originally Posted by Rachael Van Helsing

But it sounds a little odd that you describe it as you do....a wiccan soul? Such a soul, then, would have to be less than 50 years in age?

[Hairy Homer]

Originally Posted by Rachael Van Helsing

As a pagan, I'll offer my opinion here.

A true wiccan?

Umm....you do know that wicca has only been around 50-ish years or so, right? It is the Pagan roots of wicca that are ancient.

I agree that not everyone is going to be inclined to be Pagan, or Wiccan. But it sounds a little odd that you describe it as you do....a wiccan soul? Such a soul, then, would have to be less than 50 years in age?

Not at all, not at all, Rachael. It simply means that they hadn't discovered the truth until Gardener (or whoever) revealed it.

[OnYourKnees]

Originally Posted by Hairy Homer

Not at all, not at all, Rachael. It simply means that they hadn't discovered the truth until Gardener (or whoever) revealed it.

Ahh, so all those True Wiccan Souls from millenia past had no idea they were True Wiccans until the late 1950s? Wow.

That's kinda pathetic, huh?

[Rachael Van Helsing]

Originally Posted by Hairy Homer

Not at all, not at all, Rachael. It simply means that they hadn't discovered the truth until Gardener (or whoever) revealed it.

Teehee!

Say, whatever happened to Gardener anyway? I assume he's dead? How did he die?

Ahh, so all those True Wiccan Souls from millenia past had no idea they were True Wiccans until the late 1950s? Wow.

I guess not.

[Hairy Homer]

Originally Posted by Rachael Van Helsing

Teehee!

Say, whatever happened to Gardener anyway? I assume he's dead? How did he die?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Gardner

Gerald Brosseau Gardner (June 13, 1884 - February 12, 1964) was an English civil servant, amateur anthropologist, writer, and occultist who published some of the definitive texts for modern Wicca, which he was instrumental in founding.

In 1964, after suffering a heart attack, Gardner died at sea on a ship returning from Lebanon. He was buried on the shore of Tunisia.

But none other than Lord RainEagle, who is the Wicca "expert" on AllExperts.com" questions whether Gardener started the religion:

The Religion itself, has it's origins in the Dawn of Time. Man became curious about the world He lived in, and began to attempt to understand it. The origin of the word Wicca is Celtic in nature. The word Wiccae,(this is sometimes hotly contested too) comes from the Celtic language, and means to "...bend or twist" it also, as is argued, means Wise One. Closely holding to the latter derrivative; in the celtic period of Ancient England, people lived in small villiages. There was always (as is true for most societies) usually one, or two people who were the medicine people. Most often than not this was a woman who knew of the folk remedies, and used them to treat various illnesses. They also acted as midwives, helping to deliver babies, curing coughs and colds, various other illness as well. They were very respected members of thier smaller societies. Every villiage had one. (ergo the ideology of the "old crone" in her cottage in the woods being labled a Witch.) On the advent of Christianity, and largely because of this, these woman, (and some men too), began to become feared (power over life and death, etc.) and because of what some believe to be Christian propoganda, these "Wise Ones" began to be feared, and even blamed for plagues, stillborn babies, and pretty much anything negative that happened. The long time practice of honouring the earth in using what the "Great Mother" offered us in way of ensuring good harvest and general wellbeing, was cast aside in order to make way for Christianity, and the beliefes that God would make it all happen. Altho the basis of the Religion goes back much farther than that, this is where Wicca began.
There has been a revival of sorts, in that through Gerald Gardener, comes the birth of what is thought as Modern Day Wicca (Gardener's works can be found by doing a little digging).

This has been a special service from the forum researcher. I accept that you are a busy woman -- especially with all the posting you do here -- and can't afford to waste time Googling things yourself.

[Hairy Homer]

Originally Posted by OnYourKnees

Ahh, so all those True Wiccan Souls from millenia past had no idea they were True Wiccans until the late 1950s? Wow.

That's kinda pathetic, huh?

Hmmmm... I'm not sure. I posted as a wiccan's advocate, but am not an expert on it.

But are we not on dangerous ground here? Did the True Christians™ from Millienia past know that they were True Christians™?

Did they know that they were protestants or Baptists?

[Brother Temperance]

Originally Posted by vAmPiRiAgOtHiKa

I agree. Another one falls.Another one falls onto ignorance.whats this world coming to?i have the answer:

But how can one with a "true wicker soul" ever fall into ignorance? Or do you just follow a brand of nonsensical circular logic, whereby anyone who rejects wickedanism was never a true wicker in the first place? And where is free will in all this?

Originally Posted by Alexia

you're not going to ever get through to them my dear. As long as we are not one of them, we shall forever be called devil worshippers and that we have turned our backs on Jesus. You can't win.

Of course you can win! Just repent of your sins, embrace Jesus, and no-one will ever call you a devil-worshipper ever again!

Originally Posted by Hairy Homer

Hmmmm... I'm not sure. I posted as a wiccan's advocate, but am not an expert on it.

But are we not on dangerous ground here? Did the True Christians™ from Millienia past know that they were True Christians™?

Did they know that they were protestants or Baptists?

Unless they consciously made the decision to be Born Again in Christ and follow His commandments with all their hearts and all their souls, they were neither True Christians™ or Baptists, but merely unsaved trash.

[OnYourKnees]

Originally Posted by Hairy Homer

Hmmmm... I'm not sure. I posted as a wiccan's advocate, but am not an expert on it.

But are we not on dangerous ground here? Did the True Christians™ from Millienia past know that they were True Christians™?

Did they know that they were protestants or Baptists?

Wiccans follow basic rules and worship, right?

Well, if Wicca was invented in the 1950s, then nobody could have known what the basic rules were, or how to worship.

Meanwhile, there were no True Christians before about 2000 years ago, since Jesus hadn't come yet. But after that, True Christians are those who followed God's Word, the Bible. All of it.

Whether they called themselves "True Christians" or "Catholic-haters" or whatever, they were still True Christians.

[BadAssButterfly (On Moderation)]

Originally Posted by OnYourKnees

He loves you enough to let you join Him in Heaven, where you can worship and serve and obey Him for all eternity without question . . .

An eternity of unquestioning servitude and obedience? Sounds like a real corker.

[Deaner]

Originally Posted by BadAssButterfly

An eternity of unquestioning servitude and obedience? Sounds like a real corker.

Mock us all you like Ms. Butterfly. On judgement day we will not be the one's having to confess to Baby Jesus how we ate babies then had sex in their blood. Keep listening to that trance inducing gypsy music on your ipod while you make fun of Our Saviour and we'll see who has the last laugh.

[OnYourKnees]

Originally Posted by BadAssButterfly

An eternity of unquestioning servitude and obedience? Sounds like a real corker.

Sounds a lot better than an eternity of infinite pain and torture in hellfire, doesn't it?

[BadAssButterfly (On Moderation)]

Originally Posted by Deaner

Mock us all you like Ms. Butterfly. On judgement day we will not be the one's having to confess to Baby Jesus how we ate babies then had sex in their blood. Keep listening to that trance inducing gypsy music on your ipod while you make fun of Our Saviour and we'll see who has the last laugh.

Eating babies? I think not - I'm not even all that fond of meat in general. And the only blood I've ever had on my body during sex was my own during particularly heavy menstrual cycles.

[BadAssButterfly (On Moderation)]

Originally Posted by OnYourKnees

Sounds a lot better than an eternity of infinite pain and torture in hellfire, doesn't it?

Which is why I don't plan on spending eternity either of those ways.

[Brother V]

Originally Posted by BadAssButterfly

Eating babies? I think not - I'm not even all that fond of meat in general. And the only blood I've ever had on my body during sex was my own during particularly heavy menstrual cycles.

*blaaaarggggh*

[Brother Temperance]

Originally Posted by BadAssButterfly

Eating babies? I think not - I'm not even all that fond of meat in general. And the only blood I've ever had on my body during sex was my own during particularly heavy menstrual cycles.

There is no way that complies with the guidelines laid down in Leviticus.

[BadAssButterfly (On Moderation)]

Originally Posted by Brother Temperance

There is no way that complies with the guidelines laid down in Leviticus.

I don't read during sex. I keep losing my place.

[Bobby-Joe]

Originally Posted by BadAssButterfly

I don't read during sex. I keep losing my place.

You have sex while you menstruate??? What kind of pathetic losers do you hang around with that would risk their lives like that? Even a Ukrainian sailor knows better.

[OnYourKnees]

Originally Posted by BadAssButterfly

I don't read during sex. I keep losing my place.

I suppose you can't rub your belly and pat your head at the same time any more easily, eh? God gave you two hands, surely you can do different things with each.

Originally Posted by BadAssButterfly

Which is why I don't plan on spending eternity either of those ways.

Pray tell, what plans do you have? Will you frolick with the goats in Summerland?