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Default Re: Father Thomas Martin - 09-20-2007, 07:22 PM

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All my study of Genesis these past few days has ingrained it into my mind, and it seems my fingers are just typing Genesis when they should be typing Matthew.

I see you are just going with a personal attack based on my type-o, and aren't saying anything about the vain repetitions.

But I guess we shouldn't expect much more than that from you.

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Default Re: Father Thomas Martin - 09-20-2007, 07:44 PM

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You don't know as much about the Bible as you think!
Oh jeez; I almost pee'd myself at that one. Brother V rebuked on Biblical matters by a kiddie diddler that talks to statues. Oh man, I can't take it any more; my sides are killing me I'm laughing so hard...
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Default Re: Father Thomas Martin - 09-20-2007, 08:02 PM

The repetitions are not vain (they do have a purpose).

Jesus has never denied any of his Mother's requests.


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The repetitions are not vain (they do have a purpose).

Jesus has never denied any of his Mother's requests.
Jesus didn't like to do things His mother asked Him while He was on earth. What makes you think He'll like to do them for the rest of eternity?
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Default Re: Father Thomas Martin - 09-20-2007, 08:37 PM

Luke 2:51a:

"Then he returned with them to Nazareth and was obedient to them"


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Default Re: Father Thomas Martin - 09-20-2007, 08:39 PM

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The repetitions are not vain (they do have a purpose).

Jesus has never denied any of his Mother's requests.
When she and her yid son wanted to be allowed into Jesus' presence, He ignores and insults them by saying that his mother and brothers are those who hear the word of God and do it.
Luke 8:20-21


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When she and her yid son wanted to be allowed into Jesus' presence, He ignores and insults them by saying that his mother and brothers are those who hear the word of God and do it.
Luke 8:20-21
John 2:4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
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Default Re: Father Thomas Martin - 09-20-2007, 08:52 PM

"His hour" meant his Passion.

Right after that, she told the crowds (her last words in the Bible)

"Do whatever He tells you."

For this one of the titles we give her is the Mother of Good Counsel (advice). That is why we honor her. We don't do anything which belongs to God alone, we just see her for who she is; a way for us to be closer to her Son.


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"His hour" meant his Passion.

Right after that, she told the crowds (her last words in the Bible)

"Do whatever He tells you."

For this one of the titles we give her is the Mother of Good Counsel (advice). That is why we honor her. We don't do anything which belongs to God alone, we just see her for who she is; a way for us to be closer to her Son.
Yes, we are familiar with the story. Do you read Jesus words? He's sitting there with His friends at a wedding festival, and His mother comes up and starts nagging, like every jooish mother does.

Jesus, a grown man now, says "Woman, what have I to do with thee"

Not, "yes mom, whatever you want". Not, "thy will be done".

Jesus in front of all His friends, complains about being hen-pecked by His mother.

Later when He's hanging on the cross, He has some choice words for her too.

John 19:26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

Mary was probably standing there crying, thinking about how much shame having her son crucified would bring, and Jesus is like "Me, look at ME!!! I'm the one hanging from the friggin cross!!!"
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Yes, we are familiar with the story. Do you read Jesus words? He's sitting there with His friends at a wedding festival, and His mother comes up and starts nagging, like every jooish mother does.

Jesus, a grown man now, says "Woman, what have I to do with thee"

Not, "yes mom, whatever you want". Not, "thy will be done".

Jesus in front of all His friends, complains about being hen-pecked by His mother.

Later when He's hanging on the cross, He has some choice words for her too.

John 19:26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

Mary was probably standing there crying, thinking about how much shame having her son crucified would bring, and Jesus is like "Me, look at ME!!! I'm the one hanging from the friggin cross!!!"
John 19:27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

He was talking about the "disciple" (commonly believed to be John), and thus entrusting his Church to the Blessed Mother's care.


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John 19:27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

He was talking about the "disciple" (commonly believed to be John), and thus entrusting his Church to the Blessed Mother's care.
Get your stupid story straight..
Do you claim your false church is founded on Peter, or on Mary, or on John?

As for us, our Church is founded on the teachings of Jesus -
And the FAITH that Peter had, which is what earned him the name of rock. (ie Peter)
His faith was the rock, and by it He was given authority by God.
BUT GOD NEVER SAID THAT THIS "OFFICE" SHOULD BE PASSED ON!
ESPECIALLY NOT THROUGH HUMAN DECISIONS!


And notice in the above verse that HE (the disciple) took HER (Mary) to HIS home!
So rather, Jesus entrusted his mother to the disciple, not the other way around.
How typical of you cathylicks to reverse the meaning of scripture.
Quite literally in this case too, as in your mind, you literally reverse that last sentence!


BTW Peter wasn't infallible. The Bible proves this. (Matthew 16:22-23)
So how can the pope claim not only the authority of Peter, but infallability - when not even Peter was infallible?
Try answering that, you heretic scumbag.


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we just see her for who she is; a way for us to be closer to her Son.
Is it just me, or is anybody else creeped out by that statement?
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Is it just me, or is anybody else creeped out by that statement?
I'm not creeped out but i guess that could be just me.... i don't know what everyone else thinks....


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"His hour" meant his Passion.

Right after that, she told the crowds (her last words in the Bible)

"Do whatever He tells you."
And? You're saying that we should worship Mary because she tells us to do what Jesus tells us to do? I say you should do whatever He tells you to do as well, are you going to start praying to me now?


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