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If someone else's eye offends offends me, can I pluck it out? -
01-14-2015, 07:12 AM
The Bible is full of references to eye gouging:
Deuteronomy 19:21
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And thine eye shall not pity; but life shall go for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot
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Mark 9:47
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And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire
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Judges 16:21
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But the Philistines took him, and put out his eyes, and brought him down to Gaza, and bound him with fetters of brass; and he did grind in the prison house.
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1 Samuel 11:2
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And Nahash the Ammonite answered them, On this condition will I make a covenant with you, that I may thrust out all your right eyes, and lay it for a reproach upon all Israel.
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The Bible also makes it crystal clear that those possessing an offensive eye are enemies of God:
Proverbs 23:6
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Eat thou not the bread of him that hath an evil eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats:
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Mark 7:22
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Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
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Mark helps us understand that an evil eye is no trifling matter...it is on equal footing with other wicked things that Jesus hates and wants to destroy.
Psalm 145:20
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The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy
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And what Jesus wants to destroy, I want to destroy...but our God is a God of second chances.
James 5:20
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Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins
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Therefore, being held blameless in all things by the Gift of Christ's Grace, I needn't worry about tending to the nonexistent mote in my own eye...but should rather concern myself with that which is lodged deeply in my brother's evil eye socket: my thumbnail!
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Re: If someone else's eye offends offends me, can I pluck it out? -
01-14-2015, 07:42 AM
Brother Hammer,
What an important issue! You are considering doing physical harm to a person in order to save his SOUL. At first glance, it may seem far-fetched but a closer look gives you the answer.
Yes, we can!
James 5:20
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
True Religion™ is not about being kind or love or peace. it is about Eternity and saving souls. The way to this is to follow God's commandments by controlling the evil things people do. James' Epistle clearly tells us that it is more important to save a soul and you'll be richly rewarded in Heaven.
The only problem is secular law (Romans 13:1-5), that once again prevents us from doing what is Righteous in the eyes if Jesus. We must pray that the leaders are replaced with men of God and that saving souls finally becomes the main aim of all official business!
Yours in Christ,
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Re: If someone else's eye offends offends me, can I pluck it out? -
01-14-2015, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Elmer G. White
The only problem is secular law (Romans 13:1-5), that once again prevents us from doing what is Righteous in the eyes if Jesus. We must pray that the leaders are replaced with men of God and that saving souls finally becomes the main aim of all official business!
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That could be solved by using a ship to go to international waters. There only Biblical laws apply!
I am going to suggest a nice cruise to my neighbor Mrs. Johnson one of these days.
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Re: If someone else's eye offends offends me, can I pluck it out? -
01-16-2015, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Elmer G. White
Brother Hammer,
You are considering doing physical harm to a person in order to save his SOUL. At first glance, it may seem far-fetched but a closer look gives you the answer.
Yes, we can!
James 5:20
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
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Something is still missing. Mark 9:47 states that you will be saved if you pluck out your own eye. That´s commitment. Having it done for you does not show the commitment. As I read it, you have to make the guy pluck out his own eye.
Jeremiah 6:21 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will lay stumblingblocks before this people, and the fathers and the sons together shall fall upon them; the neighbour and his friend shall perish.
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Re: If someone else's eye offends offends me, can I pluck it out? -
01-16-2015, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Roland
Something is still missing. Mark 9:47 states that you will be saved if you pluck out your own eye.
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Clearly Brother Witch Hammer knows this.
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That´s commitment. Having it done for you does not show the commitment.
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By that logic, the only way one can express commitment to an ideal is to pluck out their eye.
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As I read it, you have to make the guy pluck out his own eye.
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Nonsense. The Holy Bible tells us to compel others to seek Christ, follow Him, worship Him, and glorify Him. This is His command.
And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
Luke 14:23
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Re: If someone else's eye offends offends me, can I pluck it out? -
01-16-2015, 06:09 PM
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By that logic, the only way one can express commitment to an ideal is to pluck out their eye.
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Not quite: It would show the commitment of the one plucking out the eye, not the commitment of the person who´s eye get´s plucked out. The latter would not be saved as he did not do what Mark 9:47 told him to do. The person plucking out the eye might do so not because the Bible told him or her to.
Jeremiah 6:21 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will lay stumblingblocks before this people, and the fathers and the sons together shall fall upon them; the neighbour and his friend shall perish.
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Re: If someone else's eye offends offends me, can I pluck it out? -
01-16-2015, 06:10 PM
Eye plucking is a normal activity for those who are angered by sin. I note that the Lord God Himself recently plucked out one of the eyes of Senator Harry Reid. We are to walk the Jesus path and look to the Lord for guidance. If the Lord favors eye plucking, we should, too.
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Re: If someone else's eye offends offends me, can I pluck it out? -
01-16-2015, 06:12 PM
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Eye plucking is a normal activity for those who are angered by sin. I note that the Lord God Himself recently plucked out one of the eyes of Senator Harry Reid. We are to walk the Jesus path and look to the Lord for guidance. If the Lord favors eye plucking, we should, too.
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Quoted for Truth, Brother.
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Re: If someone else's eye offends offends me, can I pluck it out? -
01-16-2015, 06:18 PM
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[...] I note that the Lord God Himself recently plucked out one of the eyes of Senator Harry Reid.[...]
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Nah, that is but a scratch. That will buff right out.
Jeremiah 6:21 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will lay stumblingblocks before this people, and the fathers and the sons together shall fall upon them; the neighbour and his friend shall perish.
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Re: If someone else's eye offends offends me, can I pluck it out? -
01-16-2015, 06:20 PM
I believe that if Senator Reid posits that his eye is healed, we will have to assume that it is a false eye, there to confuse the public about his punishment. That eye was snatched out of his head by the very hand of God.
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Re: If someone else's eye offends offends me, can I pluck it out? -
01-16-2015, 06:31 PM
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Quoted for Truth, Brother.
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So this means Harry Reid is saved?
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Originally Posted by Elmer G. White
What an important issue! You are considering doing physical harm to a person in order to save his SOUL. At first glance, it may seem far-fetched but a closer look gives you the answer.
Yes, we can!
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Jeremiah 6:21 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will lay stumblingblocks before this people, and the fathers and the sons together shall fall upon them; the neighbour and his friend shall perish.
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Re: If someone else's eye offends offends me, can I pluck it out? -
01-16-2015, 06:38 PM
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So this means Harry Reid is saved?
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No, he is damned to Hell, there to writhe in the Lake of Fire that knows no quenching.
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Re: If someone else's eye offends offends me, can I pluck it out? -
01-16-2015, 06:45 PM
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No, he is damned to Hell, there to writhe in the Lake of Fire that knows no quenching.
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Then why should Witch Hammer and Cranky Old Man pluck out eyes from others? If that does not lead to their salvation (that was the reason posted by Elmer for plucking out their eyes), what good is it?
Jeremiah 6:21 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will lay stumblingblocks before this people, and the fathers and the sons together shall fall upon them; the neighbour and his friend shall perish.
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Re: If someone else's eye offends offends me, can I pluck it out? -
01-16-2015, 06:54 PM
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Then why should Witch Hammer and Cranky Old Man pluck out eyes from others? If that does not lead to their salvation (that was the reason posted by Elmer for plucking out their eyes), what good is it?
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Beatings, eye plucking or gouging, lashings, burnings, drownings, stonings and so on may be required for punishment or as God commands. They happen to have great efficacy in beating down the Devil and many have been saved thus. However, the only way to salvation is through a relationship with Jesus. In the end (which is near, BTW), that is all that matters.
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Re: If someone else's eye offends offends me, can I pluck it out? -
01-16-2015, 07:00 PM
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Then why should Witch Hammer and Cranky Old Man pluck out eyes from others? If that does not lead to their salvation (that was the reason posted by Elmer for plucking out their eyes), what good is it?
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Are you here to argue or spread the word of God?
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Re: If someone else's eye offends offends me, can I pluck it out? -
01-16-2015, 07:32 PM
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Then why should Witch Hammer and Cranky Old Man pluck out eyes from others? If that does not lead to their salvation (that was the reason posted by Elmer for plucking out their eyes), what good is it?
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Why should the Good Lord condemn people to an eternity of damnation? What good is it? What good is any of it?
For His Glory, of course!
All things on this earth and in the heavens above exist for God's Glory!
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Re: If someone else's eye offends offends me, can I pluck it out? -
01-16-2015, 07:50 PM
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Then why should Witch Hammer and Cranky Old Man pluck out eyes from others? If that does not lead to their salvation (that was the reason posted by Elmer for plucking out their eyes), what good is it?
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Beatings, eye plucking or gouging, lashings, burnings, drownings, stonings and so on may be required for punishment or as God commands.
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Exactly.
God endorses all kinds of torture. The best torture of all He has planned for all the unbelievers in the Last Days:
Revelation 9:1-6
1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.
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Re: If someone else's eye offends offends me, can I pluck it out? -
01-17-2015, 06:31 AM
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Then why should Witch Hammer and Cranky Old Man pluck out eyes from others? If that does not lead to their salvation (that was the reason posted by Elmer for plucking out their eyes), what good is it?
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Please refer to Deuteronomy 19:21, sinner.
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Re: If someone else's eye offends offends me, can I pluck it out? -
01-18-2015, 08:36 AM
I have to ask Roland, who plucked out your eye? You? Or did someone do it for you?
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Re: If someone else's eye offends offends me, can I pluck it out? -
01-18-2015, 06:45 PM
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I have to ask Roland, who plucked out your eye? You? Or did someone do it for you?
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Hello Mr. Farmer,
Both my eyes are still in place and working. Fortunately no one felt the need to pluck them out.
Kind regards,
Roland
Jeremiah 6:21 Therefore thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will lay stumblingblocks before this people, and the fathers and the sons together shall fall upon them; the neighbour and his friend shall perish.
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