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Default Re: Get to know me first! - 04-05-2007, 01:28 AM

Too bad for you that in the long run, it's all useless. There is no god, there never has been, and never will be. Your just power-hungry, you like the thought of degrading others... since when did the christian resolution demoralise into that?
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Default Re: Get to know me first! - 04-05-2007, 01:31 AM

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Too bad for you that in the long run, it's all useless. There is no god, there never has been, and never will be.
There is no you, there never has been, and never will be.
That's about as logical and supported by as much evidence as what you just said.

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Your just power-hungry, you like the thought of degrading others... since when did the christian resolution demoralise into that?
If we were so "power hungry" then why would we embrace the most hated religion in the world?

We aren't degrading anyone, we only follow the Holy Bible.
Do you have a problem with the Bible? Then take it up with the writer (God!), CHILD!


If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself: But if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it.
A foolish woman is clamorous: She is simple, and knoweth nothing.
Proverbs 9:12-13

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Default Re: Get to know me first! - 04-05-2007, 01:36 AM

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Too bad for you that in the long run, it's all useless. There is no god, there never has been, and never will be. Your just power-hungry, you like the thought of degrading others... since when did the christian resolution demoralise into that?
Where do you get these little ideas of yours? Did you just decide one day that you know better than the 6 billion other people on the planet?
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Default Re: Get to know me first! - 04-05-2007, 02:10 AM

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Oh, Dont be so mean =]
My friend, I am not sure who this post of yours is aimed at, but if we seem mean it is only because we will stop at nothing to save someone's eternal soul. One of our brothers used to say: "Son, if I had to hit you over the head with a shovel to save your eternal soul, I'd do it". And rightly so. If we seem forthright at times it is because we as God's Elect are especially conscious of the dreadful fate that awaits those who are unsaved.


Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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Default Re: Get to know me first! - 04-05-2007, 05:27 AM

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I'll take this time to introduce myself. My name shall remain to be "Born-Again Atheist", but behind that username, is a 15 year old girl from Northern Ireland- the most pious region in the UK! How ironic!

I live my life to create music, I love it. I play the piano, viola, violin, double bass, acoustic, electric and bass guitars and am currently saving up to buy myself a flute! However, if required, i can also help out on trumpet, sax and trombone. Oh, singing also, of course!

Besides music, I love history, the sciences, maths, art, literature... pretty much everything, apart from any god.
I've not seen anyone so full of hubris and disrespect for the Lord as this little unsaved athiest tart in quite some time. Jesus has devised a little surprise lesson in humility waiting for you.

You might think you can play the flute, after all it fingers very similar to the saxophone. But despite all the advances of Bohem and the Cooper scale, God has cursed this open tube cylindrical resonator instrument and only truly saved Christians can play it properly. You will be forever cursed with intonation problems. Your lower register (particularly the low B, C, C# and D) will sound like a cloven hoved representative of Satan on earth, and your upper registers will sound like a South Florida hurricane whistling through a flamingo's anus (very similar to the screams of agony from those suffering eternal agony in hell).

The Lord can kill you at any time. Join Him now, repent and play your flute with Him and His angelic choir.


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Please tell me- I'm intrigued! Right at the very core of what violence there was in what once was Ireland, is religion (hence- "sectarian violence"). More over, disagreements were for ECONOMIC reasons.
So, the violence was caused by religion, but the violence happened because of economic reasons? Are all atheists this logical, or are you special?
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Age doesn't repreasent matturity. IMO, you yourself are turning out to be very immature.
No, age does not "repreasent matturity", only those with the wisdom and humility to accept Christ can be considered truly mature.
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I have no idea what faith Goethe followed. But I DO know that you're in no position to judge. Only your god, right?
No. If God didn't want us to judge, why would He leave behind a book full of guidelines for us to use when judging others?
Leviticus 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
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Too bad for you that in the long run, it's all useless. There is no god, there never has been, and never will be. Your just power-hungry, you like the thought of degrading others... since when did the christian resolution demoralise into that?
If we are power-hungry, why would we give up all control over our own lives and live according to the orders of another? If we like the thought of degrading others, why would we dedicate ourselves to saving others from eternal torment?
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Where do you get these little ideas of yours?
Bill Hicks and Richard Dawkins, obviously. Haven't you been paying attention?


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Default Re: Get to know me first! - 04-07-2007, 02:03 PM

I'd really appreciate it if no one, par I, were to change my avatar. You disrespectful, unintelligent, illogical, immature, simple, close minded, sad excuses for homosapiens. Especially not to some kid sticking their tongue out. That was pathetic. Low. Just typical.

You know what really ticks me off in life? Everyone's trying so hard for each religion to be accepted- christianity in particular. But where's the respect for atheism? It sickens me. As long as christians get their own way, they can belittle every other religion of the world. Even christian denominations! heck, why don't people spend more time getting christians to accept Sikhism, Islam, Judaism? How about Atheism?

Someone mentioned god was the author of the bible- god wrote the bible. He didn't. Moses, David, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John (just to mention a few), wrote the bible. Undoubted YOU believe it's the word of YOUR god. But your god didn't WRITE it. Actually, in Islam, Mohammed reveived the Islamic Holy Book (the Qur'an) from his god via an angel. Makes more sense to me. Angels being sinless and humans being sinful, all that apparently.


Anywho, a bit more about me. I really wanna play the skin flute now, thanks for the inspiration there. Just realised I forgot to mention I can also play clarinet (I always forget one! lol). I love anime... Final Fantasy, Naruto, Pokemon, but Studio Ghibli in particular. "Howl's Moving Castle" is my second favourite movie of all time. First being the recent "300"... awesome.


Actually, talking about movies, I bet you all would like Borat the Movie. Although it is only a mockumentory, I bet you'd like the anti-Semitism involved.
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Default Re: Get to know me first! - 04-07-2007, 02:17 PM

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You know what really ticks me off in life? Everyone's trying so hard for each religion to be accepted- christianity in particular. But where's the respect for atheism? It sickens me. As long as christians get their own way, they can belittle every other religion of the world. Even christian denominations! heck, why don't people spend more time getting christians to accept Sikhism, Islam, Judaism? How about Atheism?

Someone mentioned god was the author of the bible- god wrote the bible. He didn't. Moses, David, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John (just to mention a few), wrote the bible. Undoubted YOU believe it's the word of YOUR god. But your god didn't WRITE it. Actually, in Islam, Mohammed reveived the Islamic Holy Book (the Qur'an) from his god via an angel. Makes more sense to me. Angels being sinless and humans being sinful, all that apparently.
The reason monkey-worship isn't popular is because it is so patently ridiculous. All religions are false except for God's chosen, Landover Baptist Church. You can whine and throw a hissy fit about that all you like, but Jesus doesn't care about such base concepts as popularity. In fact He predicted that mockers like you would come along and persecute us, so please don't flatter yourself that you are going to shock us into submission.

Matthew 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.


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Default Re: Get to know me first! - 04-07-2007, 02:33 PM

You have your views. I have mine. I believe all religions are false. (Of course, in the Buddhist religion, there is no god.) I believe that there is no god/are no gods. I'm not agnostic, deist, and I'm certainly not theist. I'm atheist. Accept that.
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You know what really ticks me off in life? Everyone's trying so hard for each religion to be accepted- christianity in particular. But where's the respect for atheism? It sickens me. As long as christians get their own way, they can belittle every other religion of the world. Even christian denominations! heck, why don't people spend more time getting christians to accept Sikhism, Islam, Judaism? How about Atheism?
First of all, True Christians™ has not only the right, but the obligation to discredit other (false) faiths. The debbil himself had created every faith except Christianity (which Jesus created, of course!). So all these other paths leads to damnation. Would we be good people if we allowed all these folk to walk straight into the flames of Hell? Of course not. That's why we has to try to get them saved by telling them how stupid and ignant they are.

And as for respecting atheism, what have atheism ever done to warrant respect? It had gotten prayer taken out of public schools, and ever since then ours schools has looked like battle grounds... every day chillrens is killing other chillrens as well as they teachers, and this have been happening ever since prayer got took away and it gonna continue to happen until MANDATORY prayer be brought back into schools.

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Someone mentioned god was the author of the bible- god wrote the bible. He didn't. Moses, David, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John (just to mention a few), wrote the bible. Undoubted YOU believe it's the word of YOUR god. But your god didn't WRITE it. Actually, in Islam, Mohammed reveived the Islamic Holy Book (the Qur'an) from his god via an angel. Makes more sense to me. Angels being sinless and humans being sinful, all that apparently.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. - 2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV1611)

Humans had wrote the Bible, but God had wrote it THROUGH them. Just like when a man tell his secretary to write a letter for him and she write down what he tell her word for word. And as for Moohammad, a debbil in a cave had told him to write down all that ignance. It say so in they own Korange, that why they stupid for believin' that nonsense.
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You have your views. I have mine. I believe all religions are false. (Of course, in the Buddhist religion, there is no god.) I believe that there is no god/are no gods. I'm not agnostic, deist, and I'm certainly not theist. I'm atheist. Accept that.
Oh I accept you for what you are. But don't come around here whining about not getting any respect. You can tell us that you worship a bucket of rotten cabbage for all I care. If you don't have Jesus in your life, then you are nothing but a fool, and you can expect to be treated as such until the day you either accept Jesus and repent, or Jesus sends you down to eternal hellfire.

Psalm 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Psalm 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.


Who Will Jesus Damn?

Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:

Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)

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Default Re: Get to know me first! - 04-07-2007, 03:05 PM

I understand that you believe your bible was written THROUGH god. My only business was putting across that god didn't actually WRITE the bible- as implied.

Here are some Articles from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights for you to feast your eyes upon:

Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

As for a tutorial on Religious Tolerance, I believe a mini-version's apparent.
"Religious Tolerance", for individuals, doesn't mean that they have to accept everyone elses views as correct, rather that this is what they believe and should be respected. It's simple.
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I understand that you believe your bible was written THROUGH god. My only business was putting across that god didn't actually WRITE the bible- as implied.
God wrote the Holy KJV1611 Bible as you write your hate speech: Using tools.
You use a computer for it, or maybe pen and paper, God Allmighty used human scribes.
They didn't write their own words, nor did they paraphrase, The Holy Spirit worked their hands and He wrote it all down Himself, through the mortal scribes of King James.
Thus, the Holy KJV1611 Bible is the literal and infallible word of God Himself.


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Default Re: Get to know me first! - 04-07-2007, 04:24 PM

Too bad the first scrolls weren't in English, had gone through many (unreliable) translations prior and were written HUNDREDS of years before the reign of King James. The bible has gone through thousands of seives, and as I like to say, a lot of spice has been added.
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Too bad the first scrolls weren't in English, had gone through many (unreliable) translations prior and were written HUNDREDS of years before the reign of King James. The bible has gone through thousands of seives, and as I like to say, a lot of spice has been added.
I've never claimed there weren't versions before the KJV1611..
What I'm saying is that God corrected all the errors they had collected over time, and once again wrote the perfect Word, undefiled by man:
The KJV1611.


If thou be wise, thou shalt be wise for thyself: But if thou scornest, thou alone shalt bear it.
A foolish woman is clamorous: She is simple, and knoweth nothing.
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Default Re: Get to know me first! - 04-07-2007, 04:46 PM

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I understand that you believe your bible was written THROUGH god. My only business was putting across that god didn't actually WRITE the bible- as implied.

Here are some Articles from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights for you to feast your eyes upon:

Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

As for a tutorial on Religious Tolerance, I believe a mini-version's apparent.
"Religious Tolerance", for individuals, doesn't mean that they have to accept everyone elses views as correct, rather that this is what they believe and should be respected. It's simple.
Well mentally less gifted friend, show us where we disrespect these rules?
You have the right to think we're wrong, we have the right to know you're wrong.
You have the right to say so within the boundaries of the forum, we have the right to smite you.

And er, we don't view other religion's viewpoints as correct, far from it. As Pastor Ezekiel so aptly put it, if you refuse our attempts to Save™ you, I couldn't care less if you burn. Go ahead and believe something else than the KJV1611, go right ahead then.
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Here are some Articles from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights for you to feast your eyes upon:

Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Cheese and Crackers, that is quite a salvo from the Lunatic Fringe!!!

Why don't you do some writing of your own, Missy? Like write 100 times, "I will not do my 'Kegel' exercises while visiting Landover Baptist Church, which only happens to be God's Favorite Forum!"

Then the PayPal button. Hard. Until you hear the Heavenly Chimes.

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You know what really ticks me off in life? Everyone's trying so hard for each religion to be accepted- christianity in particular. But where's the respect for atheism? It sickens me. As long as christians get their own way, they can belittle every other religion of the world. Even christian denominations! heck, why don't people spend more time getting christians to accept Sikhism, Islam, Judaism? How about Atheism?
Friend, Darwinism is taught in schools as if it were scientific fact. Have you seen the amount of buildings with no religious symbols on them whatsoever? That space on the walls of courtrooms and classrooms where the Ten Commandments aren't? All those things are testament to the pernicious influence of atheism in public life, and that is why the Godly Republicans are fighting to eliminate them one step at a time.

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Actually, talking about movies, I bet you all would like Borat the Movie. Although it is only a mockumentory, I bet you'd like the anti-Semitism involved.
Do you change your favourite movie every week? Not that it's really relevant, I suppose, I just wondering. And the important syllable in that last sentence is "mock" - Borat was created to mock America, which is almost as vile and unacceptable as mocking Jesus.
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I understand that you believe your bible was written THROUGH god. My only business was putting across that god didn't actually WRITE the bible- as implied.
You're a bit backwards, aren't you? If humans were the intermediary between God and the Bible, then it was written BY God, THROUGH humans. The only way it could be written THROUGH God, as you suggest, would be if humans came up with it and then dictated it for God to write down.
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Here are some Articles from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights for you to feast your eyes upon:

Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
There you go. We have the right to manifest our religion in public and in practice. If the practice of our religion includes killing witches, then you have no reason to protest, as we are just excercising our UN-protected human right to practice our religion. PRAISE!
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As for a tutorial on Religious Tolerance, I believe a mini-version's apparent.
"Religious Tolerance", for individuals, doesn't mean that they have to accept everyone elses views as correct, rather that this is what they believe and should be respected. It's simple.
So your idea of respect is barging into a Church website and telling everyone they're wrong? Here's an idea - why not go to Iran or rural Afghanistan and "respecting" Islam there?


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Default Re: Get to know me first! - 04-07-2007, 10:52 PM

OMW, just incase you think you're clever to find any loop holes, here's the whole declaration, c+p from a beloved word doc- I wouldn't like to go paraphrasing anything official...

Article 1.
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 2.
Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 3.
Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 4.
No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

Article 5.
No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 6.
Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Article 7.
All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 8.
Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

Article 9.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 10.
Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

Article 11.
(1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence.
(2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

Article 12.
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Article 13.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Article 14.
(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
(2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 15.
(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

Article 16.
(1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
(3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

Article 17.
(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.


Article 18.
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Article 20.
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
(2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

Article 21.
(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
(3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

Article 22.
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

Article 23.
(1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment.
(2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work.
(3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection.
(4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

Article 24.
Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

Article 25.
(1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

Article 26.
(1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit.
(2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace.
(3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

Article 27.
(1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
(2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

Article 28.
Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

Article 29.
(1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible.
(2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society.
(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 30.
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

Anyways. How about learning a little something about my school in Northern Ireland? Darwinism isn't taught here. There is a compulsory subject (but it IS possible to drop it at GCSE standard, only via a letter from your parents though) called "Religious Studies", but I prefare to call it "christian Studies" as only christianity is taught. I'm all for religion being taught in schools, but only if it teaches several main religions. FYI I do take this subject. On Friday lunchtimes there is junior scripture union. On Monday lunchtimes there is christian union. There are christian pictures all around the school. From Adam and Eve in Eden to jesus on the cross. The headmaster prays at assemblies. The school song is christian. Anyone who reaaalllly wants to see the lyrics can just ask me.
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OMW, just incase you think you're clever to find any loop holes, here's the whole declaration, c+p from a beloved word doc- I wouldn't like to go paraphrasing anything official...
In other words, your beloved Declaration is completely inconsistent and contradicts itself so much as to be worthless. That's why it's the work of the UN, and not God Almighty.
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Anyways. How about learning a little something about my school in Northern Ireland? Darwinism isn't taught here. There is a compulsory subject (but it IS possible to drop it at GCSE standard, only via a letter from your parents though) called "Religious Studies", but I prefare to call it "christian Studies" as only christianity is taught. I'm all for religion being taught in schools, but only if it teaches several main religions. FYI I do take this subject. On Friday lunchtimes there is junior scripture union. On Monday lunchtimes there is christian union. There are christian pictures all around the school. From Adam and Eve in Eden to jesus on the cross. The headmaster prays at assemblies. The school song is christian. Anyone who reaaalllly wants to see the lyrics can just ask me.
Yes, but there are plenty of schools that aren't like this, and that is what we Christians are fighting to eliminate. Also, all those idols covering your school sound more pagan than Christian to me, and is it really the case that there is no mention of evolutionary biology at all?


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