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Default Re: How to make an atheist cry - 02-10-2016, 09:01 PM

I doubt this would bring Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris or indeed myself to tears. Tears of laughter maybe
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I doubt this would bring Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris or indeed myself to tears. Tears of laughter maybe
How about you wait until you encounter a talking octopus and then let us know how you feel?


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Default Re: How to make an atheist cry - 02-10-2016, 09:23 PM

octopuses cannot talk in the same dialect that humans can, octopuses are actually intelligent creatures that communicate woth each other using a variety of signals. Their intelligence is down to evolution, not a creator.

Also, if by some amazing coincidence that I did encounter a talking octopus, I would record the footage and send it to a zoololgy lab for the whole world to marvel at. How come a camera is never around when 'God' decides to show his face?
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Default Re: How to make an atheist cry - 02-10-2016, 09:37 PM

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octopuses cannot talk in the same dialect that humans can...
You haven't seen it, so impossible? Logic fail.

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...Their intelligence is down to evolution, not a creator...
Are you going to stop complaining about people claiming stuff is true, while offering no evidence? Yeah, I don't think so.

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...How come a camera is never around when 'God' decides to show his face?
Go look up "proof" and "faith". If you have one, you don't need the other.


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Default Re: How to make an atheist cry - 02-10-2016, 09:52 PM

It is not impossible, i'm still waiting for when something like this happens. If it has happened, it would be all over the internet by now.

Evolution has been proved time and time again by the fossil record. And it is not up to the non believer to prove if somethinb is true or not.

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Default Re: How to make an atheist cry - 02-10-2016, 09:56 PM

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It is not impossible, i'm still waiting for when something like this happens. If it has happened, it would be all over the internet by now.

Evolution has been proved time and time again by the fossil record. And it is not up to the non believer to prove if somethinb is true or not.

Faith is believing something without evidence, taking a picture is one of the highest forms of evidence
What is a fossil record and how does it prove anything?

Who made up this preposterous rule that the non-believer has no responsibilities but can demand things from others? You?


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Default Re: How to make an atheist cry - 02-10-2016, 10:08 PM

The fossil record is the fossils preserved in the earth of animals that died millions of years ago. This proves evolution as it showed how organisms changed over time by looking at fossils from different times.

I did not make up this rule, and it is not a rule as such. I can't prove that God doesn't exist, but you can't prove he does. But if you go by your logic then you can't prove the flying spaghetti monster does not exist but I can't prove he does so it is logical to assume he does not exist
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It is not impossible, i'm still waiting for when something like this happens. If it has happened, it would be all over the internet by now...
Because everyone knows that what you see on the internet is the truth.

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...Evolution has been proved time and time again by the fossil record...
Or: God created the world 6,020 years ago, with all the fossils in place to be found by non-believers in order to trick them into going to Hell. Go ahead, prove that wrong.

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...And it is not up to the non believer to prove if somethinb is true or not...
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Because everybody knows that what is written in a book written a few hundred years ago, badly translated from hebrew to english containing a preposterous myth about the origin of the universe is truth.

Young earth creationism has been proved wrong by many things: carbon dating, rock dating, tectonic plates, fossils, the moon and even the Earth's orbit. Many fossils were found be famous fossil hunter Mary Anning, who was in fact, a Christian.

It is up to you to prove your creator is real, to suggest otherwise is ignorant.

Yes, that picture proves that Putin did ride a bear, or was photoshopped on to one which proves how far technolgy has come in the last few million years
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Because everybody knows that what is written in a book written a few hundred years ago, badly translated from hebrew to english containing a preposterous myth about the origin of the universe is truth...
Badly translated? Please supply your qualifications to critique the committee's work, and your corrections to their version of the original Hebrew, Aramaic, Proto-Syriac, and Koine Greek.

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Or (as I've already said, and you rudely ignored), God placed all of that evidence in order to fool people into going to Hell.

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If she believed anything but that God created the universe, the world, and all life forms, and did it in six days, then... she wasn't a Christian.

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Didn't I already cover the difference between proof and faith? Yeah, I did, and oh you ignored that, too. I should really stop being so ignorant, huh?

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Says the guy who was insisting that "taking a picture is one of the highest forms of evidence"? But that was over half an hour ago, so it doesn't count, I guess.


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Default Re: How to make an atheist cry - 02-11-2016, 03:59 PM

The bible was translated from it's original Hebrew hundreds of years ago, and was only roughly translated by the scholars lf the time. Now we have a much fuller understanding of how language works, but the original copies of the bible have been lost to time.

God could not have placed all the fossils there because he does not exist

Proof is when something has been proven by evidence, faith is believing without evidence. If you have proof, you have no need for faith, and if you have faith but not proof, then you are clearly in need of some proof.
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The bible was translated from it's original Hebrew hundreds of years ago, and was only roughly translated by the scholars lf the time. Now we have a much fuller understanding of how language works, but the original copies of the bible have been lost to time.

God could not have placed all the fossils there because he does not exist

Proof is when something has been proven by evidence, faith is believing without evidence. If you have proof, you have no need for faith, and if you have faith but not proof, then you are clearly in need of some proof.
You do know only the joo part was in Hebrew, right?


You do know that when you make the claim that God doesn't exist, the burden of proof is on you, right?


You do know that claiming people know more today about a language than the people who actually spoke that language is somewhat retarded, right?





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Default Re: How to make an atheist cry - 02-11-2016, 05:27 PM

it is up to you to prove that your god does exist, as until evidence he does exist is brought forward, it is logical to assume he does not. Nowdays we also have a more in depth analysis of langauges from the studies performed on them
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it is up to you to prove that your god does exist,
I would agree with you if I were a lonely Christian crusading on a filthy atheist forum. However, may I remind you, that here you are the lonely intruder who denies the existence of God. Hence, the burden of proof lies with you.

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as until evidence he does exist is brought forward, it is logical to assume he does not. Nowdays we also have a more in depth analysis of langauges from the studies performed on them
It's one thing to study a language and know its vocabulary and grammar, and it's an entirely different thing to live in a language and master the nuances of idiomatic expressions. For example - I am fluent in three languages and on my way to being fluent in the fourth one, which includes written and spoken language as well as deep knowledge of culture. I also learned a couple of other languages, but I never had a chance to master my knowledge living in a culture that speaks them (in case of Latin that would be impossible, given that there are no living native speakers of it - and the same caveat goes to today's scholars who study other dead languages).
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Default Re: How to make an atheist cry - 02-11-2016, 06:24 PM

It's a futile question to say that something does not exist, but here is one things that inclined me to choose atheism over theism. That is the ever receding effect that 'god' has. Over hundreds if years, people have attributed a lot to supernatural dietes. Whether it be Poseidon, Jupiter, Odin, Allah or indeed Jesus. Many of these things that were once attributed to a god are now explained by science. Whether creationists like it or not, gravity, evolution, heliocentrism, spherical earthism and others are 100% fact. This means that God is simply the god of the gaps left in scientific knowledge. At the begining of the 21st century, we don't know everything about the universe, but the amount that has been gained in knowledge each century is stupendous. This shows that the idea of 'god' is simply an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance, getting smaller and smaller as time moves on. Also, the research into genetics by Prof Richard Dawkins has shown that the entire point to life is to pass on genetic information, allowing time for mutations to occur and evolution to continue. This shows that Deoxyribonucleic acid is the reason we are the way we are, not some supernatural daddy up in the sky. Something else to think about is the fact that religion runs in families. If you are born in the USA you are likely to become a Christian merely on the fact that that is what the people around you believe. If you were born in ancient greece, you would be worshipping Zeus, if you were born in Viking times you would be worshipping Wotan or Thor. I imagine that they used the same reasons you do to try and prove their god's existence, what makes your God any different?

I look forward to hearing your responces to my questions, and I must say you have been one of the more polite people on this forum in responce to me, and using actual arguments in responce to my questions. for that I thank you.
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It's a futile question to say that something does not exist, but here is one things that inclined me to choose atheism over theism. That is the ever receding effect that 'god' has. Over hundreds if years, people have attributed a lot to supernatural dietes.
Between diets and deities, I assume that you mean the latter?

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Whether it be Poseidon, Jupiter, Odin, Allah or indeed Jesus. Many of these things that were once attributed to a god are now explained by science. Whether creationists like it or not, gravity, evolution, heliocentrism, spherical earthism and others are 100% fact.
I don't think any scientists today believe in heliocentric model of the universe as proposed by Copernicus (see my reply to your post in another thread).

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This means that God is simply the god of the gaps left in scientific knowledge. At the begining of the 21st century, we don't know everything about the universe, but the amount that has been gained in knowledge each century is stupendous. This shows that the idea of 'god' is simply an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance, getting smaller and smaller as time moves on.
You're assuming that people need religion just to answer questions about how the world works. If that were true, then today we'd have a lot of atheists in the world - given the indisputable advances of science in the past few centuries. You're forgetting that religions also address issues which science will never be able to provide answer for, such as: What is the purpose of life? What is the purpose of suffering? Where do we come from and where do we go after we die?

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We have the evidence in the form of the Holy Bible.
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Sorry for the typo, I'm not a particularly good typist

Nobody believes in the heliocentric model as proposed by Copernicus, but the heliocentric model of the solar system, with the sun at the centre is correct, but it is not at the centre of the Milky way or the universe.

As I previosuly posted, some of the questions you asked are irrelevant to science like what us the purpose of suffering. Religion tries to answer these questions but there is no evidence to see that what it says is true.

You saying that the evidence is in the form of the bible is just like me saying that the evidence for wizards, magic wands and flying broomsticks is the Harry Potter books.
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It is not impossible, i'm still waiting for when something like this happens. If it has happened, it would be all over the internet by now.
But what if he didn't have a camera?
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Nobody believes in the heliocentric model as proposed by Copernicus, but the heliocentric model of the solar system, with the sun at the centre is correct, but it is not at the centre of the Milky way or the universe.

As I previosuly posted, some of the questions you asked are irrelevant to science like what us the purpose of suffering. Religion tries to answer these questions but there is no evidence to see that what it says is true.

You saying that the evidence is in the form of the bible is just like me saying that the evidence for wizards, magic wands and flying broomsticks is the Harry Potter books.
Can you stop beeing so discrespectfull to Jesus?
You know, Science is the one who has no evidence.
Like you guys could talk weeks about multiverses and you never seen a multiverse. Then u do some "experiments" just to find out the Bible was right all along.

By the way Harry Potter is a product of the gay agenda which is a product of science.
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Default Re: How to make an atheist cry - 02-11-2016, 11:35 PM

This didn't make me cry .-. Anyway, why do you want everyone to believe in a man who lives in the sky and will send you to hell if you touch yourself or have sex before marriage? .-.
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