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John 2:20 - How old was Jesus? -
10-28-2007, 08:27 PM
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One thing that really sickens me is when FALSE Christians are portraying their hippy-dippy flower-power Jesus. They always paint him as a young boy in his thirties!
Obviously this is pure rot. There's no way such a young snot - 30 years of age - could speak with the authority of a master and pastor. You might argue that Jesus is God - sure, but God is eternal and far more than 30 years old, so that's rather irrelevant, isn't it?
So how old was Jesus? He gives us an answer in the fourth gospel:
John 2:18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
John 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
John 2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
We're all aware that our body is a temple of God (1 Peter 2:5, 1 Corinthians 3:16-17, 1 Corinthians 6:19, 2 Corinthians 6:16, Ephesians 2:21-22) - but here we have Jesus comparing His own body to a specific temple - one that it had taken 46 years to build, and which He would resurrect in 3 days.
It is written (John 2:22) that when " he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said " about the 3-days resurrection, but everybody conveniently forgot about the 46 years - including the kiddie-diddlers in the Vatican.
There's a message here to all angst-ridden pizza-faced teenage know-it-alls who pester this HOLY board. And the message is that life starts at forty, and till you reach maturity, it would behoove you to listen to your betters and stop flaunting your ignorance.
1st Corinthians 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
1st Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
1st Corinthians 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
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Re: John 2:20 - How old was Jesus? -
10-29-2007, 01:14 AM
Thank you for thisinformation. I was always wondering why the new age of majority when America is returned to Biblical Law would be 46. I could understand no drinking alcohol until one is 46, but no driving until 46 seemed a bit extreme....Until now.
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10-30-2007, 04:28 PM
Very perceptive. I never ceased to be amazed at the abundance of Biblical knowledge that Jesus grants all of you. If only I had the same.
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Re: John 2:20 - How old was Jesus? -
10-31-2007, 03:20 AM
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Very perceptive. I never ceased to be amazed at the abundance of Biblical knowledge that Jesus grants all of you. If only I had the same.
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Keep praying, keep studying the Holy KJV Bible, and read all of the threads in this Godly forum, son. Jesus speaks here!!
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Re: John 2:20 - How old was Jesus? -
11-03-2007, 04:30 PM
I've just stumbled over Irenæus' Against Heresies. Irenæus lived ca. 130-ca. 200 and as a young man he was taught by Polycarp, who in turn had known John the apostle.
Irenæus wrote a whole chapter named [. . .] Christ [. . .] was more than fifty years old when He died. It's a bit wordy, so I'll confine myself to quoting the 5. paragraph, where the meat is. Irenæus argues - as I've just done myself - that in order to be wise, you must necessarily be past your thirties - and that Jesus was in his forties and fifties when He taught His disciples:
" They, however, that they may establish their false opinion regarding that which is written, “to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord,” maintain that He preached for one year only, and then suffered in the twelfth month. [In speaking thus,] they are forgetful to their own disadvantage, destroying His whole work, and robbing Him of that age which is both more necessary and more honourable than any other; that more advanced age, I mean, during which also as a teacher He excelled all others. For how could He have had disciples, if He did not teach? And how could He have taught, unless He had reached the age of a Master? For when He came to be baptized, He had not yet completed His thirtieth year, but was beginning to be about thirty years of age (for thus Luke, who has mentioned His years, has expressed it: “Now Jesus was, as it were, beginning to be thirty years old,” when He came to receive baptism); and, [according to these men,] He preached only one year reckoning from His baptism. On completing His thirtieth year He suffered, being in fact still a young man, and who had by no means attained to advanced age. Now, that the first stage of early life embraces thirty years, and that this extends onwards to the fortieth year, every one will admit; but from the fortieth and fiftieth year a man begins to decline towards old age, which our Lord possessed while He still fulfilled the office of a Teacher,
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So Irenæus agrees with me, but there's much more to it. According to Irenæus, several of the apostles have confirmed that Jesus was in his fifties when he taught:
" (5. cont.) [. . .] even as the Gospel and all the elders testify; those who were conversant in Asia with John, the disciple of the Lord, [affirming] that John conveyed to them that information. And he remained among them up to the times of Trajan. Some of them, moreover, saw not only John, but the other apostles also, and heard the very same account from them, and bear testimony as to the [validity of] the statement. [. . .]
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So Irenæus backs his opinion on the testimony of several elders - not just Polycarp - who have spoken with several apostles - not just John.
There we have it brethren and sistern - right from the horse's mouth: The rumor of Jesus being an adolescent zit-face is as false as Ratzinger's teeth. No mere tradition could be more creditably authorized than this.
1st Corinthians 15:16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
1st Corinthians 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
1st Corinthians 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
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Re: John 2:20 - How old was Jesus? -
11-07-2007, 07:26 PM
Here's a bit more evidence for you to chew on, brother.
"From thirty years old and upward even until fifty years old, all that enter into the host, to do the work in the tabernacle of the congregation" (Numbers 4:3).
Papists, pedophiles and Methodists have always assumed that Jesus commenced his ministry at age 30, in accord with the Jooish rules governing admission to the priesthood, as spelled out in Numbers. Their assumption being that Jesus couldn't wait to fulfill his divine purpose. But that is only an assumption -- and clearly at variance with Jesus' own words in John 2.
So, let's believe Jesus when he tells us he entered the priesthood -- i.e., began his ministry -- at age 46. That ministry lasted 3.5 years, which means that Jesus was age 49 or 50 at the time of his grisly crucifixion, which agrees with Irenæus' account.
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Re: John 2:20 - How old was Jesus? -
11-20-2008, 05:20 PM
I have two questions regarding this post and an reply that was posted. Please forgive my ignorance if I am wrong in asking these questions.
I always bvelieved that Jesus began his ministry at 30 based upon Luke 3:23. The literal translation from the Greek seems to support this. I also believed that the many instances of people's "amazement" and the teaching and authority of Jesus, wa not only due to His awesome teaching but the fact that he was from Nazereth (can anything good come from here?) and that he was "young" in constrast of the Rabbis and religious leaders of that day. The last fact why I beleived He was 30 is that the assumption that a man could not have the intellect, wisdom, or ability to teach would seem to go by the wayside when one examines Luke 2:41-51. At the age of 12 He was teaching i the temple. NO NORMAL MAN could do this, but we knw that Christ was 100% man and 100% God at the same time. So surely the man who could heal the sick, cause th blind to see and raise the dead could teach with authority about His Father and the gospel AT ANY AGE.
My second question concerns a reply from a Pastor. I love and have memorized from the KJV my entire life. I am wondering how that the KJV translation of the scripture can be called "holy." The Word of God itself is Holy, but does stating that the KJV is holy mean that those who were involved in the traslation process were equally inspired by the Holy Spirit as the orignal human authors? Does this also mean that, for example, the ESV version (which upon my examination in all three langues is a VERY accurate translation of the original manuscripts) is not "Holy."
I am confused abot these two matters and would like some help. Thank you!
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Re: John 2:20 - How old was Jesus? -
11-21-2008, 01:29 PM
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I have two questions regarding this post and an reply that was posted. Please forgive my ignorance if I am wrong in asking these questions.
I always bvelieved that Jesus began his ministry at 30 based upon Luke 3:23. The literal translation from the Greek seems to support this. I also believed that the many instances of people's "amazement" and the teaching and authority of Jesus, wa not only due to His awesome teaching but the fact that he was from Nazereth (can anything good come from here?) and that he was "young" in constrast of the Rabbis and religious leaders of that day. The last fact why I beleived He was 30 is that the assumption that a man could not have the intellect, wisdom, or ability to teach would seem to go by the wayside when one examines Luke 2:41-51. At the age of 12 He was teaching i the temple. NO NORMAL MAN could do this, but we knw that Christ was 100% man and 100% God at the same time. So surely the man who could heal the sick, cause th blind to see and raise the dead could teach with authority about His Father and the gospel AT ANY AGE.
My second question concerns a reply from a Pastor. I love and have memorized from the KJV my entire life. I am wondering how that the KJV translation of the scripture can be called "holy." The Word of God itself is Holy, but does stating that the KJV is holy mean that those who were involved in the traslation process were equally inspired by the Holy Spirit as the orignal human authors? Does this also mean that, for example, the ESV version (which upon my examination in all three langues is a VERY accurate translation of the original manuscripts) is not "Holy."
I am confused abot these two matters and would like some help. Thank you!
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Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: John 2:20 - How old was Jesus? -
03-14-2011, 07:07 PM
I believe the mighty Baby Jesus is ageless!
He lives on. In all our hearts!
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Re: John 2:20 - How old was Jesus? -
12-27-2008, 02:33 AM
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It is written (John 2:22) that when "he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said" about the 3-days resurrection, but everybody conveniently forgot about the 46 years - including the kiddie-diddlers in the Vatican.
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Unsurprising though, seeing as 46 is approximately 40 years beyond the age of consent for altar boys; it would seem the Vatican's sexual deviance has polluted the truth regarding Jesus's true age.
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Re: John 2:20 - How old was Jesus? -
03-15-2011, 03:52 AM
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Unsurprising though, seeing as 46 is approximately 40 years beyond the age of consent for altar boys; it would seem the Vatican's sexual deviance has polluted the truth regarding Jesus's true age.
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Amen! Them Catlickers pervert everything they touch!
Psalm 50:22 Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver.
Deuteronomy32:35 To me belongeth vengeance and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.
Jerimiah 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
Numbers 32:23 But if ye will not do so, behold, ye have sinned against the LORD: and be sure your sin will find you out.
Leviticus24:14 Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.
Ephesians5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
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03-19-2011, 12:32 PM
I believe Jesus lived to age 33.
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I believe Jesus lived to age 33.
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Where does it say so in the Holy Bible?
Here is a partial list from just a few scripture verses:
Hypocrites (Matthew 24:51), The Unforgiving (Mark 11:26), Homosexuals (Romans 1:26, 27), Fornicators (Romans 1:29), The Wicked (Romans 1:29), The Covetous (Romans 1:29), The Malicious (Romans 1:29), The Envious (Romans 1:29), Murderers (Romans 1:29), The Deceitful (Romans 1:29), Backbiters (Romans 1:30), Haters of God (Romans 1:30), The Despiteful (Romans 1:30), The Proud (Romans 1:30), Boasters (Romans 1:30), Inventors of evil (Romans 1:30), Disobedient to parents (Romans 1:30), Covenant breakers (Romans 1:31), The Unmerciful (Romans 1:31), The Implacable (Romans 1:31), The Unrighteous (1Corinthians 6:9), Idolaters (1Corinthians 6:9), Adulterers (1Corinthians 6:9), The Effeminate (1Corinthians 6:9), Thieves (1Corinthians 6:10), Drunkards (1Corinthians 6:10), Reviler (1Corinthians 6:10), Extortioners (1Corinthians 6:10), The Fearful (Revelation 21:8), The Unbelieving (Revelation 21:8), The Abominable (Revelation 21:8), Whoremongers (Revelation 21:8), Sorcerers (Revelation 21:8), All Liars (Revelation 21:8)
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Re: John 2:20 - How old was Jesus? -
12-03-2012, 09:51 AM
Historically Jesus could not have been as old as 46 at the time of His crucifixion.
The taxing that Luke 2:1-2 mentions most probably took place in 7 BC.
Pilate was prefect of Judaea between 26 AD and 37 AD.
Hence Jesus must have been between the age of 33 and 44 when He was crucified.
Matt 5:17-20 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:..."
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Re: John 2:20 - How old was Jesus? -
03-03-2013, 12:28 AM
Thank you Pastor Rune Enoe! Your evidence is straight forward and convincing!
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Random question: does anybody know how/when did this belief start?
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Thank you Pastor Rune Enoe! Your evidence is straight forward and convincing!
Random question: does anybody know how/when did this belief start?
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Well first of all is the Catholic assumption that the current Calendar is based on Jesus birth. They know better than that. It was started by Ceaser and then edited a few times. There is no proof that Jesus was born December 25, 1 BC, but don't tell the fuzzy bunnies that.
According to Luke 3:23 Jesus was baptized when he was "about thirty years of age". Somehow people forget that "about" part, and demand that he was baptized on his 30th birthday or something like that.
It also seems that people take the quote that Pastor Enoe posted above to mean that Jesus visited the temple in the 46 year of its existence even though the next verse clearly states that Jesus was speaking about the Temple of his Body.
As you can see, this is the problem with fuzzy bunny Christians. You take a scripture here and a scripture there, glue the parts you like together, stand on one leg, and squint real hard and there, the Bible says exactly what you want it to say.
Don't feel bad though. I'm glad you brought this up. I was under the 33-year-od delusion. I'm embarrassed to admit that I had completely missed this post, or if it was ever mentioned in a sermon.
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Re: John 2:20 - How old was Jesus? -
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Thank you Pastor Rune Enoe! Your evidence is straight forward and convincing!
Random question: does anybody know how/when did this belief start?
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Probably the catholics, they invented most of the unbiblical garbage that people believe.
age of innocence
infant baptism
purgatory
buying your way into heaven
Basically anything to get the money out of your wallet and to keep you from causing them too much trouble. They used to have a rule (or maybe they still do) that only priests should be able to read the Bible because only priests are "capable of understanding it"
So they'd all be up there telling us that God demands little boys strip down and grab their ankles, in church, five times per day.
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As the Catlick congregations were dwindling over the centuries, I think the Vatican lowered Jesus' age, as the thinking was "Only the Good Die Young" (what with Marilyn and Jimmy Dean and Elvis being so popular with the kids etc...)
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11-09-2016, 05:01 PM
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Unsurprising though, seeing as 46 is approximately 40 years beyond the age of consent for altar boys; it would seem the Vatican's sexual deviance has polluted the truth regarding Jesus's true age.
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Yet, you've just broken the a commandment of God's law. In Exodus 20:4, it says, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth"(KJV). You do not create your own version of the Lord, but rather the Lord tells us who He is in the bible. In Luke 3:23 Luke says that Jesus started his ministry when he was thirty years of age. His ministry lasted 3 years. What you say implies that you won't respect someone young. There are so many young people who are extremely wise and respected. What you are saying is very prideful and you should rethink what you've said. Some of the most influential Christians of this time are people like Trip Lee, a rapper who's only 26! He might not be in his fifties, but he's influenced many different generations to live for the Lord. Joshua DuBois, Obama's faith adviser, is only 31. He is respected by many because of what he does, especially former president Barack Obama.
If it makes you feel any better, I am under the age of 18. So maybe what I'm saying is invalid because of my age, but I genuinely want to make a Christian impact in this world. God bless.
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Yet, you've just broken the a commandment of God's law. In Exodus 20:4, it says, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth"(KJV).
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If you intend to accuse Mrs. Rogers of gravening images, I do hope you're prepared to show proof of such an object. Otherwise, your libelous words can and may be used against you by our crack team of Jew lawyers.
Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.
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