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Default Re: STOP being Left-handed!!! - 10-01-2015, 03:55 AM

The Bible doesn't mention that a lot of people went to heaven. It doesn't mean that they didn't go to heaven. And what this forum is implying is that left handed people are evil while right handed people are good. Did you know that Adolf Hitler was right handed? Did you also know that the picture at the beginning of this article of Obama and his wife Michelle was actually a mirrored image? They actually had their right hands over their heart. I am in no way supporting Obama and I think that he is totally against God, but I think that you should get your facts straight before posting anything.
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Default Re: STOP being Left-handed!!! - 10-01-2015, 04:13 AM

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The Bible doesn't mention that a lot of people went to heaven. It doesn't mean that they didn't go to heaven...
Equally, it doesn't mean that they did. Absent proof of Ehud's ascension, you cannot use him as an example of someone left-handed going to Heaven.

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...Did you know that Adolf Hitler was right handed?...
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The Bible doesn't mention that a lot of people went to heaven. It doesn't mean that they didn't go to heaven. And what this forum is implying is that left handed people are evil while right handed people are good. Did you know that Adolf Hitler was right handed? Did you also know that the picture at the beginning of this article of Obama and his wife Michelle was actually a mirrored image? They actually had their right hands over their heart. I am in no way supporting Obama and I think that he is totally against God, but I think that you should get your facts straight before posting anything.
Dear Miss Jbh,

You are using and ex silentio argument (actually, a fallacy). You cannot make justifications based on information that isn't there. Still, you are partly correct. Left-handed people have the same chance of going to Heaven as normal people. They have to Repent and get a Baptism (Acts 2:38), Fear God and follow His commandments (Ecclesiastes 12:13).

In fact, also Mr. Hitler had exactly the same chance of going into Heaven. From God's viewpoint his sins were repulsive but we must remember that from the viewpoint of God ALL sins are equally repulsive (James 2:10; except blasphemy against the Holy Spirit which it worse than the others; Matthew 12:31). Between the cyanide capsule, the gunshot AND the ultimate loss of consciousness in the Berlin Bunker, there was a millisecond of time during which Jesus could have made Mr. Hitler Repent and accept Him as the Savior. If this took place, then we can expect to see Mr. Hitler in Heaven. It is the same for those who are left-handed. They can become normal people through this process. They can get into Heaven. And IF they do, they (and Mr. Hitler) are going to be among the most prestigious souls over there. This is explained by Jesus:

Luke 15:7
I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.


Furthermore, being a sinner is detrimental to one's understanding of data input from various sources. Please, do not trust idle gossip about Photoshopping. There rumors are usually faulty. God can punish sinners by giving them misinformation.

2 Thessalonians 2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

What if the other pictures are mirror images? What if the one in this thread is the actual Truth™? It probably is, as it is compatible with the Bible and your opinions aren't. That's how to assess the truth value of a proposition: You consult the Bible. What about the fate of Mr. Obama, then? Ultimately, and I know this might be hard for you to accept (God is sometimes almost too merciful, for instance, all the God-fearing men were anticipating Niniveh to be incinerated by God because of the grievous sins committed there but God was merciful much to the dismay of the Prophet Jonah, who had a hard time accepting this but he did and so we must also accept that God sometimes spares sinners after they repent; Jonah 4:2), also Mr. Obama has the same chance. He can get into Heaven if he repents, etc. I surmise that compared to normal people, his sins are even worse than those of the average left-handed men or Mr. Hitler, so if he repents, his place in Heaven will be mighty. I admit that (fortunately) this is an unlikely scenario but as unbiased Christians, we must take this into account.


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Default Re: STOP being Left-handed!!! - 10-01-2015, 04:51 AM

You totally ignored the issue here. And did I understand what you said correctly? You said that Landover has won more souls to Christ than I have so that means they have the right to post false information? I also take high offense to what was being said about left handed people. My father was born left handed. God created him like that. And the verses that are being used to support the argument that left handed people are bad are out of context. A verse that was being used was let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth. That is just saying that when you give, do it in secret. Don't tell everybody what you're giving so that you can receive the glory for it. And why would Jesus say that there will be one who sits on his right hand and one that sits on his left hand in heaven? Just because the Bible says certain things about people going to the right and to the left doesn't make one worse than the other. Why would God make us with two hands if we could only use one?
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Default Re: STOP being Left-handed!!! - 10-01-2015, 05:03 AM

With respect Mr. White, but there is no way to prove that either picture is original. You can look at the zoomed out picture of both and you'll see that in the one with Obama and Michelle with their left hands over their hearts, every other person has their left hands over their hearts. Do you really think that every single person would put their left hands on their hearts? People try to twist things on the Internet to make people they don't like look like fools. The picture of Obama was one of them. He had his right hand over his heart at that moment. It was a memorial to the 9/11 victims.
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...My father was born left handed. God created him like that...
Because God creates all of us as sinners. No one is born perfect.

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Default Re: STOP being Left-handed!!! - 10-01-2015, 05:10 AM

He is still left handed...
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With respect Mr. White, but there is no way to prove that either picture is original.


I agree. When we use the methods available to us in the secular world, everything becomes murky and unreliable. It is all about voting (if 87% say one is the original the the other one is not it MUST be so) or statistics (we can say with 76% certainty that it was the left one MUST be the one).

I am more and more distressed that this phenomenon has spread also to formerly God-fearing people and issues that are about Spirituality. When it comes to the Bible (in its perfect KJV form) and God there are NO DOUBTS. If and when we take this as our starting point, we can discard the voting and the statistics. The voters may be wrong and, in fact, the whole concept of statistics is based on the notion that there is always the chance of being wrong. They cannot be trusted. Thus, let us take the Bible and look at it. Regarding Mr. Obama, we must first assess if the things he does are sinful. This is easy. They are. He endorses sodomy (Leviticus 18:22), female emancipation (1 Timothy 2:12) and secular medicine instead of prayer (2 Chronicles 16: 12-13).

Statistics change. Voters change their minds. God is always the same.

Deuteronomy 33:27
The eternal God is thy refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms: and he shall thrust out the enemy from before thee; and shall say, Destroy them.


Now we can tell which one is the original. It is the one that is compatible with the Bible and based on how Mr. Obama's choices fit the Bible. This is how Creation Science works. This is how we have been able to assess that the theories of evolution, geology, continental drift and Big Bang cosmology are not 95% wrong but 100% erroneous.


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Default Re: STOP being Left-handed!!! - 10-01-2015, 05:30 AM

Me. White, I agree that Obama supports many things that are unbiblical. I disagree on the majority always being right. And I also disagree with how being left handed is a sin. If you read my post before the one that I sent to you you'll see why I don't believe that it is a sin to be left handed. Also, the Bible never specifically says anywhere that being left handed is a sin.
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Default Re: STOP being Left-handed!!! - 10-01-2015, 05:35 AM

Also, just because Obama does many things wrong does not prove that the picture is original.
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Me. White, I agree that Obama supports many things that are unbiblical. I disagree on the majority always being right. And I also disagree with how being left handed is a sin. If you read my post before the one that I sent to you you'll see why I don't believe that it is a sin to be left handed. Also, the Bible never specifically says anywhere that being left handed is a sin.
Dear Person,

As always, you must look at the Bible in its entirety. There are about 100 mentions of the right side being good and 25 occasions about the left side being evil. I know, it is not about statistics but it is about the Big Picture. If I were you, I'd at least be careful and assume to path of least damage. There is absolutely no risk in choosing the right hand over the left one.
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  • The left hand does worst in the parable of the sheep and goats. The sheep are set on Christ’s right hand and the goats on the left. Those on the right inherit the kingdom of god while those on the let depart into everlasting fire.
  • The devil is nearly always portrayed as left-handed and evil spirits lurk over the left shoulder (which is why you throw spilled salt over your left shoulder to ward them off).
To compare this with other accepted sins, there are <10 occasions in the Bible about sodomy (i.e., homosexuality) and there is absolutely no reason to doubt them. Was it God who made these people (left-handed and sodomists) like that? We know that these characteristics are congenital, people are born with them. However, God's influence is only indirect, as the real culprits are the forefathers and mothers who sinned and it is this sin that is transmitted in various forms and congenital abnormalities (such as the ones I mentioned) to the offspring.

Deuteronomy 23:2

A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

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Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;


The promise and temporary sacrifice of Jesus is the only way to cast off these congenital defects. Left-handedness and homosexuality are EASY, they are minor problems that can be be easily corrected with behavioral modifications. Left-handed people have it easy. It only takes practice! Thereafter they can accept Baptism and the conditional Love of Jesus and ultimately meet Him in the clouds (1 Thessalonians 4:17) on their way to Heaven!




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Default Re: STOP being Left-handed!!! - 10-01-2015, 05:58 AM

There is no point in arguing this any further. I see things differently than you see them and I can see that you will never be moved in your position as I will never be moved in mine. There is no point to argue over these small matters, we will find out in heaven who was right, but for now I am going to go. It was nice to have this discussion with you. It's actually nice to see that there is someone on here willing to have a legitimate discussion instead of all the people who say the other is stupid for not believing what they do.
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Yes indeed. We will find out in heaven who was right.


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There is no point in arguing this any further. I see things differently than you see them and I can see that you will never be moved in your position as I will never be moved in mine. There is no point to argue over these small matters, we will find out in heaven who was right, but for now I am going to go. It was nice to have this discussion with you. It's actually nice to see that there is someone on here willing to have a legitimate discussion instead of all the people who say the other is stupid for not believing what they do.
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Default Re: STOP being Left-handed!!! - 01-08-2016, 04:26 PM

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Read scripture if you want, but you're really not that smart if you believe Obama doesn't use his right hand....
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Default Re: STOP being Left-handed!!! - 01-08-2016, 05:03 PM

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Read scripture if you want, but you're really not that smart if you believe Obama doesn't use his right hand....
The link that I posted was neither pornographic, nor offensive. It was just proving that your photo was a mirror image. It's factually inaccurate.

You can be a Christian and use your brain. Turning people away from a logical discussion is no way to save souls and bring people to Christ.
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Default Re: STOP being Left-handed!!! - 01-08-2016, 05:12 PM

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The link that I posted was neither pornographic, nor offensive. It was just proving that your photo was a mirror image. It's factually inaccurate.

You can be a Christian and use your brain. Turning people away from a logical discussion is no way to save souls and bring people to Christ.
If your so-called "logic" doesn't conform to the Truth™, it ceases to be instructive, and is therefore nothing more than a distraction, a veritable toy Satan dangles in front of the mind of the spiritual rebel. Satan lures many spiritual pussy cats with such toys. You don't have to be like that. You don't have to be Satan's pussy.


Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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Rebuke Re: STOP being Left-handed!!! - 01-08-2016, 05:22 PM

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The link that I posted was neither pornographic, nor offensive. It was just proving that your photo was a mirror image. It's factually inaccurate.

You can be a Christian and use your brain. Turning people away from a logical discussion is no way to save souls and bring people to Christ.
Dear Sinner,

Instead of posting offensive material, it would be nice if you assessed how logic brings people to Christ!

It doesn't. Logic will fail to do so, however, the Bible only succeeds. In fact, the logic of this world is poison to the Lord!

1 Corinthians 1:23
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

1 Corinthians 1:25
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.


God and Jesus are about the supernatural. The supernatural defies logic. Every miracle that the Lord performs is in direct opposition to logic and everyday causality. You may want to listen to the Tomists or the Catholic intricate logical structures of Anselm but they are ultimately fragile and have failed to withstand the assaults of the great but twisted minds of the great atheist philosophers. Try Mackie, for instance. If we follow logic we end up with fuzzy logic and uncertainty.

Christ being wholly man wholly God is illogical. Jesus bringing the peace and the sword is illogical. God being omniscient and knowing beforehand the inevitable Fall and deciding that only His self-sacrifice can Save us from Himself is illogical. These things are still real but only within the world that includes the irrational, the illogical, the non-causal. The miracle.

Faith.

The true image is the one that can be harmonized not with statistics but the Truth™. The left hand, the Enemy as told in the Bible. Hence it is the true one and you are trusting the actual mirror images. Your perception is twisted and flawed. We know that because the Bible tells us so and it does not lie.

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Default Re: STOP being Left-handed!!! - 01-08-2016, 05:25 PM

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If your so-called "logic" doesn't conform to the Truth™, it ceases to be instructive, and is therefore nothing more than a distraction, a veritable toy Satan dangles in front of the mind of the spiritual rebel. Satan lures many spiritual pussy cats with such toys. You don't have to be like that. You don't have to be Satan's pussy.
I apologize. I just read the rules. As a Christian, I was always told to tell the truth about all things. Romans 9:1 comes to mind. We are supposed to tell the truth about Christ. Because the photo posted was a mirror image, Obama was actually using his right hand.

This isn't to dispute or argue or be vexatious to anyone, but we are supposed to be honest about our assessments. If Obama is satanic, we should give clear and logical reasons.

Using an incorrect photo of Obama is like using a Non-King James Bible to you. It's not the correct interpretation of the big picture!

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Default Re: STOP being Left-handed!!! - 01-08-2016, 05:30 PM

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Thank you.
You're not welcome. You're willfully vexatious and clearly are trying to start a fight. You won't win, as we have on our side.


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