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Default Competitive Dance - 03-04-2008, 03:29 AM

A young couple got saved recently and joined my church. The wife stopped by my office last week, and I could tell that she was troubled. Her twelve-year-old daughter is into competitive dance and really enjoys it, but now that the mother is saved she feels like the Holy Spirit is telling her that it isn't right. She came by to ask me if I thought she should pull her daughter out of it.

I was completely unfamiliar with the whole competitive dance scene. I told her that I would look into it and let her know. She gave me the websites of some of the companies that run dance competitions. I refuse to post the names, links, or pictures here on a Christian forum, for reasons that will soon become obvious.

I clicked on those websites and viewed the pictures and videos. I was absolutely horrified by what I saw. Little girls, and the occasional fruity little boy, were painted up like whores and wearing almost nothing, dancing suggestively to rock, jazz, and jungle music. It was disgusting.

One Bible verse immediately popped into my mind.

Lev 19:29 Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.

What are these kids' parents thinking? The parents should be training up the daughters to be good help meets for their future husbands, not to work as pole dancers in strip clubs. These girls should be learning how to cook, sew, clean, and take care of babies, not how to shake their moneymakers in front of strangers.

What I want to know is where are the competitive homemaking competitions?

Those fruity little boys should be put into something manly so they don't turn out gay. They are all too skinny for football. As limber as they are, they would probably be great at wrestling.

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Default Re: Competitive Dance - 03-04-2008, 03:40 AM

Pastor, I'm sure some folks would say that dancing is great exercise, keeping a woman fit and strong. A fit woman can take better care of children and work more around the farm. And a gal who knows how to catch her man's eye from time to time can certainly help with the meet.

While dancing in public in tight clothes may not be the best way to get exercise, it seems preferable to, say, Lesbian Field Hockey.

Maybe others have ideas for Christian-appropriate activities for these youngsters, which will keep them fit and healthy for the rebuking of sinners and tending of livestock? Er, other than the obvious, rebuking sinners and tending livestock. (The girls growing up in the city need exercise, too!)


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other than the obvious, rebuking sinners and tending livestock. (The girls growing up in the city need exercise, too!)
I think God has arranged things so that it all evens out. More livestock in the boondocks, more sinners in the city.

Thank you, Pastor Billy-Reuben, for shedding light on this disgusting practice. Competitive dance certainly is an evil that must be stamped out. It is a sure sign of wickedness:

Why do the wicked live on, growing old and increasing in power? They see their children established around them, their offspring before their eyes... They send forth their children as a flock; their little ones dance about... Yet they say to God, 'Leave us alone! We have no desire to know your ways. Job 21:7-14 Any parent who would do this to a child hates that child, and also hates God.

In all honesty, though, I really don't blame the dance moms. Women are flighty by nature and too easily given over to the temptations of carnal sin, as evidenced by Eve's capitulation to the serpent in the Garden of Eden: Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 1 Timothy 2:14 That is why the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. Ephesians 5:23-24.

So why aren't the husbands nipping this disgusting whoredom of their daughters and homofication of their sons in the bud?



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Default Re: Competitive Dance - 03-04-2008, 08:22 AM

Friends, we are not talking here about the storybook ballets and dance with moral messages of a generation ago. There is no more "Sleeping Beauty", "Swan Lake", or "Nutcracker" holiday dancing. We are talking about "Modern Dance" here, which was started by that harlot Isadora Duncan in the early 20th century. Isadora Duncan was known for her sexual assignations, bearing children out of wedlock, lesbean relationships, and living a life of wonton depravity.

Here is a sampling of what you can expect from this dancing activity and what values they are instilling in our young:

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These "Dance Competitions" are nothing more than furthering degeneracy in this country.


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Default Re: Competitive Dance - 03-04-2008, 09:07 AM

What are these parents thinking?
Any kind of dance is just upright Fornication.

The closeness of the two sexes will most certainly lead to sexual activity.
The wanton abandon which characterizes dancing might lead to further sinfulness like drinking or staying out late.
A Girl willing to dance with a boy is simply the first step towards a life of even deeper sin.

Forcing Children to carry out this abomination is tantamount to Child Abuse or even Pedophilia.



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Default Re: Competitive Dance - 03-04-2008, 09:54 AM

What are they thinking indeed? It's not like there aren't competitions out there that DO improve their daughters' skills! Not that I approve the chocolate or the low-fat entries, mind.

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Or, in this case, the cake. It's the sweepstakes baking competition at the Florida State Fair, a decades-old tradition open only to previous years' baking winners.
Cakes cluster over here, pies over there, cookies farther along, and the low-fat entries, a new category this year, huddle at the end. It's a small turnout this year, notes Lois Duffey. She has orchestrated the Family Living Competitions at the Florida Center for 15 years, relatively speaking a teeny fraction of the competitions' 100-year history.

Maybe they've all been scared off by the champ. Kelly Everhart's Chocolate Italian Cream Cake took best in show in 2007, and darned if the towering confection didn't do it again this year. But we're getting ahead of ourselves.
Stop putting your daughters into competitions that make them look like lusty harlots, showing their sweaty bouncy dirty pillows and have them make obscene movements with their pelvises and cooters looking like camel toes. Get them cooking!


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Default Re: Competitive Dance - 03-04-2008, 04:07 PM

Pretty soon they'll be signing up for all male gay nude Lysistrata performances.


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Default Re: Competitive Dance - 03-04-2008, 05:39 PM

I have to admit I've never thought about "competitive dance", until you brought it up.

Most of Landover's girls are perfectly content to attend their sewing workshops after home-schooling. But this "competitive dance" nonsense reminds me of that terrible incident in Colorado, where the mother paraded her precious little one -- JonBenet Ramsey -- on a stage, as if the child was a low-class, Democratic whore, and then the mother -- it's said -- killed the child, when she didn't win the right competitions. I think we'll see similar situations arise among these dance mothers. It's what happens when secularists abandon Biblical principles of child-rearing.


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I have to admit I've never thought about "competitive dance", until you brought it up.

Most of Landover's girls are perfectly content to attend their sewing workshops after home-schooling. But this "competitive dance" nonsense reminds me of that terrible incident in Colorado, where the mother paraded her precious little one -- JonBenet Ramsey -- on a stage, as if the child was a low-class, Democratic whore, and then the mother -- it's said -- killed the child, when she didn't win the right competitions. I think we'll see similar situations arise among these dance mothers. It's what happens when secularists abandon Biblical principles of child-rearing.
Amen Brother Lee. If not a gateway sin, "competitive dance" is certainly a leading cultural indicator of rampant deviant sexual behavior in our culture. Just take a look at the following outrageous stories amongst "cheerleaders".

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The pictures posted on MySpace.com looked like the latest installment of "Girls Gone Wild." In them, cheerleaders from McKinney North High School in Texas exhibited all variety of bawdy behavior. One shot showed a bikini-clad girl sharing a bottle of booze with a friend. Another featured a cheerleader and several other girls in risqué poses offering glimpses of their panties. But the most infamous photo of all was taken in a Condoms To Go store. Five smiling cheerleaders dressed in uniform posed with large candles shaped like penises. At least one of them appeared to be simulating fellatio. "It would be an overstatement to describe any of the photographs as pornographic, but it would be an understatement to describe them as harmless high jinks," wrote Harold Jones, a lawyer hired by the school district to investigate the incident. "Quite frankly, I personally found it 'creepy'."
At least one Texas lawmaker is outraged enough at the sin and depravity going on in our taxpayer financed LIEbral SICKular schools to propose legislation to put a stop to it.

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(AP) The Friday night lights in Texas could soon be without bumpin' and grindin' cheerleaders.

Legislation filed by state Rep. Al Edwards of Houston would put an end to "sexually suggestive" performances at high school athletic events and other extracurricular competitions.

"It's just too sexually oriented, you know, the way they're shaking their behinds and going on, breaking it down," said Edwards, a 26-year veteran of the Texas House.

"And then we say to them, 'don't get involved in sex unless it's marriage or love, it's dangerous out there,' and yet the teachers and directors are helping them go through those kind of gyrations."


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"It's just too sexually oriented, you know, the way they're shaking their behinds and going on, breaking it down," said Edwards, a 26-year veteran of the Texas House.
Well, I certainly agree with Rep. Edwards, for the very reason that our own Sister JennyD said so well:

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a gal who knows how to catch her man's eye from time to time can certainly help with the meet.
"Competitive dance," "beauty pagents," "cheerleading" .... Whatever you call it, the Lord knows the heart of man and how important it is to get a heart on for Jesus. A responsible mother ought to consider that, before placing her daughter in a compromising venue, where the only intent is to mock God. Rep. Edwards would agree with me.


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Default Re: Competitive Dance - 03-05-2008, 06:53 PM

I have wonderful news, friends. I explained everything to the woman, and she knew what I said was right. She canceled her daughter's dance classes and pulled her out of her competitions. Praise Jesus!

She said her daughter started yelling and screaming and wouldn't eat her dinner. I told her that's just the demons working their way out, and a series of good spankings every time she acts up will speed the process.

The dance instructor left a really nasty message on my voice mail. I won't repeat any of the four letter words (or the twelve-letter word) she used, but apparently she is upset that she's going to have to change all the dances that this girl was in.

Well, we started a prayer chain for this dance instructor. We're going to see if we can't get her saved, get her to see the error of her ways, and close her sin instruction center. I will be mailing her a new Chick tract every day, and someone from the women's Bible study group will be going by her studio every day to tell her and her students the Plan of Salvation.

Finally, I have an announcement. I looked at the websites for the various dance competition companies, and saw that they all have their national competitions in the summer. I know what Jesus wants us to do, and that is to be outside the venues for these places with big signs and bullhorns and do some good old-fashioned street ministry.

There are a lot of these national competitions -- each company has several all over the country -- so we won't be able to go to all of them. Any discussion of specifics should be conducted via the private message system. I've already sent most of you a PM. If I missed you and you are interested, send me a PM and let me know.

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Default Re: Competitive Dance - 03-06-2008, 04:14 AM

What is wrong with you people? You people aren't Christians. Jesus taught love and tolerance and acceptance! There's nothing wrong with dancing. My daughter and son dance and they are going to heaven. My son is not a "fruity little boy" and I dare you to say that to my face!


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What is wrong with you people? You people aren't Christians. Jesus taught love and tolerance and acceptance! There's nothing wrong with dancing. My daughter and son dance and they are going to heaven. My son is not a "fruity little boy" and I dare you to say that to my face!
In what way am I not a Christian? The Holy Ghost convicted me of my sins, I repented of them, and I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior.

Jesus certainly taught love, but He did not teach so-called "tolerance" or "acceptance". Unrepentant sinners burn forever in Hell! How could it be loving to "tolerate" or "accept" someone's sinful lifestyle?

When your daughter dances, is she painted up like a harlot and dressed in practically nothing? How is your daughter going to land a good Christian gentleman as a husband if she is wasting her time dancing instead of learning how to keep a household. Why is your son prancing around in a pair of tights instead of doing something more manly, like football or hunting?

Come to think of it, do you have your husband's permission to be on the computer? Why aren't you ironing his shirts or baking him a pie?

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Your daughter and son should avoid dancing, as it will lead to enticement and lust from the opposite sex.
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You can only shake your Bon Bon to secular music.



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Your daughter and son should avoid dancing, as it will lead to enticement and lust from the opposite sex.
Are you trying to make some pererted sexual come-on here, camel-boy?


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I received this email from a concerned professional dancer / dance instructor.

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Pastor Billy Reuben,

I recently was notified of a post you had made about competitive
dancing. In this article, you stated that you were unfamiliar with the
competitive dance world. I, on the other hand, have been and still am very
involved in this so called "evil doing." Its odd to me that you felt so
educated that you were able to pass judgement upon this activity with
such stong conviction with your only experience of competitive dance
being an internet website. In all my years competing regionally,
nationally, internationally, and now in teaching at a dance
convention/competition, I've never felt that it was a disgusting practice.
I understand your point in scandalous costumes. I've even seen a few
dance moves that I find inappropriate. However, when I judge kids in
competition, I judge them solely on their dance technique; tasteless
dancing as well as obscene costumes aren't rewarded. Its simply about a
timeless art that has been evolving throughout the years. Do not
misconstrue what these competition's intentions are. You seem to think that
it sends them on the fast train to whoredom. In reality, it teaches
kids confidence, how to win and lose honorably, cultural acceptance,
comradory, and teamwork. And, if they so choose, it prepares them for a
honest career. I now work as a professional dancer and teacher. I make
good money, I work hard every day, I love what I'm doing, and I am
NOWHERE near taking my clothes off for money and pole dancing.
What really bothered me about your writing was your stereotypical
nature. How dare you assume that a male who enjoys performing art is bound
to be homosexual. Should I assume that since you are a religious
leader you molest little boys? Is it not true that men outside of the dance
world are gay? I'm sure there is a great percentage of lawyers,
doctors, firemen, lumberjacks, (so on and so forth) that, too, are gay.
Homosexuality is not determined by activities. But if it is, then how is
wrestling (boys in leotards rolling around on top of eachother) not
going to "turn them gay?"
Women have strived for years to have equality in this country. Why
would you set us back 50 years by saying that we are only able to be
homemakers? And how on earth is a three day event of dancing preventing any
girls from learning these life skills? I dance every day but still my
house is spotless and I enjoy baking. I teach kids from ages 3-18,
which has definitely shown me several childcare skills. I spend more
time with kids than today's average mother does.
It worries me that a man in a position of power, such as yourself,
could be so malicious and nieve. You made comments and passed judgements
about an activity that you do not understand. It seems you are
oblivious to how judgemental you are and also to how wrong you are.
Lets not deprive children the opportunity to perform, have fun, feel
good about themselves as individuals, and "just be kids." It offends me
that you could look at a child and see a soon-to-be-whore. By no means
are these competitions stripping them of their innocence any more than
other activities avaliable to them today. Step out of 1872 (or where
ever you are) and take a look around you. Whether you choose to accept
it or not, this is the world we live in. I'd like to be the first to
welcome you to 2008, my friend.
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Hello Ma'am, thank you for contacting me. You made many clear and concise points, and I will try to address every one of them. I pray we will find common ground. My responses are inline. Your words are in green italics, and mine are the plain black below.

I recently was notified of a post you had made about competitive dancing. In this article, you stated that you were unfamiliar with the competitive dance world. I, on the other hand, have been and still am very involved in this so called "evil doing."
I too used to be a depraved sinner too before Jesus saved me. I will add you to my prayer list and pray that He saves you, too.

Its odd to me that you felt so educated that you were able to pass judgement upon this activity with such stong conviction with your only experience of competitive dance being an internet website.

I might not know a whole lot about competitive dance, but I do know a whole lot about sin, both from studying the Bible and from my own personal experience back before I got saved.

In all my years competing regionally, nationally, internationally, and now in teaching at a dance convention/competition, I've never felt that it was a disgusting practice.
Let me clarify one thing. I don't believe that dancing in and of itself is sinful. That belief wouldn't be Biblical -- dancing is a good thing when it is done for the LORD. I think if dance competitions were limited to lyricals set to church hymns, only with longer dresses and sleeves and no whorish makeup, then you'd have something I could support.

I understand your point in scandalous costumes. I've even seen a few dance moves that I find inappropriate.
Exactly -- it is all the booty shaking, skimpy clothes, hip-hop/rock beats, and whorish makeup that make the whole operation into a pigpen of sin.

However, when I judge kids in competition, I judge them solely on their dance technique; tasteless dancing as well as obscene costumes aren't rewarded.
Well, praise God for that. However, it would be even better if you would take the next step and deduct huge amounts of points or even disqualify those dances. Maybe showing bare midriffs or thighs could knock an otherwise platinum performance down to elite silver or silver depending on the age group, and doing a chin-hold with the crotch facing towards the audience could be an automatic disqualification. What do you think?

Its simply about a timeless art that has been evolving throughout the years. Do not misconstrue what these competition's intentions are. You seem to think that it sends them on the fast train to whoredom.

I can't judge intentions -- I have no way of knowing what others are thinking. I can only look at the effects of actions.

I now work as a professional dancer and teacher. I make good money, I work hard every day, I love what I'm doing, and I am NOWHERE near taking my clothes off for money and pole dancing.

Well that's good to hear. Good for you! You can't deny, however, that the girls are learning skills that they can later use, if they so choose, to work as exotic dancers. I'm not saying that all of them will; that would be absurd. But SOME of them will.

What really bothered me about your writing was your stereotypical nature. How dare you assume that a male who enjoys performing art is bound to be homosexual.
I don't believe that all male dancers are gay, but you can't deny there is a higher ratio of gay/straight guys in dance than there is in the general population.

Should I assume that since you are a religious leader you molest little boys?
Of course not. I'm a Baptist Pastor, not a Catholic Priest.

Is it not true that men outside of the dance world are gay? I'm sure there is a great percentage of lawyers, doctors, firemen, lumberjacks, (so on and so forth) that, too, are gay.
Of course that's true. There are sodomites everywhere.

Women have strived for years to have equality in this country. Why would you set us back 50 years by saying that we are only able to be homemakers?
Before I got saved, I believed men and women should be treated equally. That and other liberal ideas of mine went right out the window after I got saved and learned what God had to say about it in the Bible. I wrote a sermon on that topic and you can read it here if you like.

You might find this part interesting:
"In my experience, women seem to be just as intelligent and capable as men. If I relied on my own empathy and conscience, I would probably conclude that women and men are equals and that women deserve just as much dignity and respect as men do. I need the Bible to tell me that women are to be subjugated before men, and that men are to have dominion over women (1 Peter 3:1-6; Ephesians 5:22-24; 1 Timothy 2:11-15)."

And how on earth is a three day event of dancing preventing any girls from learning these life skills? I dance every day but still my house is spotless and I enjoy baking. I teach kids from ages 3-18, which has definitely shown me several childcare skills. I spend more time with kids than today's average mother does.
That sounds nice. If you aren't married now, it sounds like you could make a nice helpmeet for a good Christian man someday, if we can rid you of all of your liberal notions and get you saved.

If you are single, my son is the Associate Pastor at my church. When I retire he'll have my job of Senior Pastor. I think he might be able to tame you. He's just like me, but 25 years younger. If you are interested, reply with a picture and if he likes it he'll send you his picture.

Whether you choose to accept it or not, this is the world we live in.
I choose to reject the world, and allow the world to reject me, just as Jesus commands.

John 15:19
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

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Talk about a competitive dance--which contestant is more vile?
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