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Default Re: Pray for the Full Recovery of beloved President George W. Bush - 08-11-2013, 04:30 AM

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Default Re: Pray for the Full Recovery of beloved President George W. Bush - 08-11-2013, 09:18 PM

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What makes you think anyone's prayers have anything to do with rather your god wants them to live or not. ... Therefore a person on the brink of death would have pulled through and survived with or without your prayers if Yahweh desired them to live.
Please tell us what part of the Bible are you quoting here???


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Default Re: Pray for the Full Recovery of beloved President George W. Bush - 08-11-2013, 09:50 PM

Don't we want him to go to Heaven?


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Default Re: Pray for the Full Recovery of beloved President George W. Bush - 08-11-2013, 11:31 PM

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Don't we want him to go to Heaven?
Absolutely, Felicity. However Jesus and I are concerned that he might rape someone, and Heaven just wouldn't be the same with a bunch of rapists running around ripping our rectums open with their calloused genitalia.


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Default Re: Pray for the Full Recovery of beloved President George W. Bush - 08-12-2013, 12:54 AM

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Please tell us what part of the Bible are you quoting here???
I was not quoting the Bible. It just seems to me that an infinite omniscient god would know better than a finite man. And therefore, would have a degree of foresight making any suggestions by mere mortal men pointless and downright insulting. Forgive me for not simply accepting the biblical accountings which make it crystal clear that the Semitic war god, Yahweh, is not omniscient and is definitely prone to making mistakes.
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Default Re: Pray for the Full Recovery of beloved President George W. Bush - 08-12-2013, 02:27 AM

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I was not quoting the Bible. It just seems to me that an infinite omniscient god would know better than a finite man. And therefore, would have a degree of foresight making any suggestions by mere mortal men pointless and downright insulting. Forgive me for not simply accepting the biblical accountings which make it crystal clear that the Semitic war god, Yahweh, is not omniscient and is definitely prone to making mistakes.
I can really feel the struggle you are having in understanding all of this. Your problem is you are not differentiating between your own opinion and objective facts. First, you admit your views are not sourced from the source of all truth, the Bible. This puts you on a path toward defeat in an argument from the get go.

Second, you make an arbitrary assumption God makes mistakes. He does no such thing. It's clear you need to spend several hours listening to Pastor Zeke's sermons.


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Default Re: Pray for the Full Recovery of beloved President George W. Bush - 08-16-2013, 10:07 PM

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I can really feel the struggle you are having in understanding all of this. Your problem is you are not differentiating between your own opinion and objective facts. First, you admit your views are not sourced from the source of all truth, the Bible. This puts you on a path toward defeat in an argument from the get go.
Well, of course the view that Yahweh is omniscient isn't Biblically accurate. I now see the error in that assertion.

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Second, you make an arbitrary assumption God makes mistakes.
Even when Yahweh claims he created man in error in Genesis 6:6?

He later changes his mind (kind of) in Genesis 8:21 and goes on to question his own motives for initiating the Great Flood. Essentially concluding that it was kind of silly to wipe out all life on the Earth for man's indiscretions seeing as man's behavior plays out in exactly the manner he created them to be from birth.

What about Exodus 32:10-14 in which Yahweh forgets his own covenant and almost annihilates the Israelites until Moses talks him out of it?

Or 1 Samuel 15:10-11 where Yahweh admits he made a mistake in giving Saul kingship?

You say Yahweh makes no mistakes, but when I take your advice and stick to scripture the Bible seems to imply just that. Kind sir, please help me understand.
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Default Re: Pray for the Full Recovery of beloved President George W. Bush - 08-16-2013, 11:58 PM

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Well, of course the view that Yahweh is omniscient isn't Biblically accurate. I now see the error in that assertion.



Even when Yahweh claims he created man in error in Genesis 6:6?

He later changes his mind (kind of) in Genesis 8:21 and goes on to question his own motives for initiating the Great Flood. Essentially concluding that it was kind of silly to wipe out all life on the Earth for man's indiscretions seeing as man's behavior plays out in exactly the manner he created them to be from birth.

What about Exodus 32:10-14 in which Yahweh forgets his own covenant and almost annihilates the Israelites until Moses talks him out of it?

Or 1 Samuel 15:10-11 where Yahweh admits he made a mistake in giving Saul kingship?

You say Yahweh makes no mistakes, but when I take your advice and stick to scripture the Bible seems to imply just that. Kind sir, please help me understand.
Lone Jack--I'm praying for you. I'm hoping you eventually master the Bible and what it teaches us.

As to all those events you call "mistakes", they were nothing of the kind. They were opportunities for God. Look at us now after God has taken advantage of those opportunities--we have Landover Baptist Church filled with the saved and sinless.


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