[Dolores de Barriga]

Originally Posted by Red Army

Mil perdones señora.

De nada, camarada.

But the property of the state is there.

Can it be called property of state when it is controlled by a small group of families?

I agree there is a need of a political revolution, but China is a communist country in essence.

I'm afraid that essence has became so diluted that now it's rather homeopathic, if you catch my drift.

Under Christian government now. And we atheist do not base our arguments on what we heard from friends.
Look the figures during the New Economic Policy until the seventies, before the Gorbachov treason.

Yeah, like these statistics were not fudged.

Source?

My pleasure! Here is a selection of peer-reviewed articles:

Rural poverty in China
Geographic poverty traps in China
Transient poverty in China
China fudges their statistics to look like they are reducing rural poverty
Medical expenses lead to increased poverty in rural China

...And this is just from the first page out of nearly half a million results on Google Scholar!

And here's some more from a more diachronic search:

Regional disparities over time in China

I was unable to find reliable statistics older than 60 years ago, but when we think about increased pollution and the failed 1-child policy and therefore China having to deal with the fact that most of adolescent boys and young men cannot find girls anymore, yeah, I'd say that the overall Chinese living conditions have decreased rather than increased.

Gramsci is one of the reasons we have Bernie Sanders and Hugo Chavez.

And Evo Morales, too.

Trotsky wrote against nationalism in the early 20th Century, and that is all the reading I need.

You'd fit among the Landover Baptist community much better than you think, Mr. Army. You share with them the ability to have a blind faith in something that was written long time ago by people who had no idea about the times we live in now.

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Red Army

The thoughts of Marx shaped the 20th Century.
The thoughts of Trotsky predicted the fall of the Communist countries. And the reasons behind it.


How is it that they did not see beyond an inmediate horizon?

Because they do not implement Biblical standards and have not accepted Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Saviour.

[Harsha Shah]

Originally Posted by Red Army

Enjoy your made in China products, made with more efficiency that those made in any capitalist country.
And also, think how all the capitalist world depends on China to survive.
I'm not going to defend their political regime but they prove the possibilities of a communist-like economy.

Yes, Mr. Army, I am Harsha Shah. I am hoping that I am not offending you. Yes. I am seeing many common points between some of our Eastern religions, such the Jainism that I am an adherent of (but secular) and socialism. Yes. I really hope that this is not offending you, but I am seeing also a very big difference, yes. Communism is very different from our Jainism because you are not condemning all violence, yes? You do not follow ahimsa. You are advocating revolution and the dictatorship of the proletariat and striving for these goals even with violence, yes? Yes, I know that this is probably offending you.

I am wondering if you have ever been reading the books by Ursula Kroeber LeGuin. Yes? She was writing about non-authoritative communism many decades ago. The book I am reading is called The Dispossessed and it is a very good book and it is depicting a society of that kind, yes. It is also about temporal physics. The Left Hand of Darkness is also a very good book but that is about gender. Yes. I am thinking that both my Jainism and your communism are like the blind men and the elephant. They are all feeling a different part of the elephant but they forget that the elephant is a breathing feeling creature that should also be able to follow its own path to happiness. Yes. I am very sorry if I was offending you. Yes.

[MitzaLizalor]

Godlessness is the reason. It's as though God, in Jesus a carpenter, has adjusted His lathe to create table legs then Mao and Trotsky turn up wanting to make a pencil case. It's not going to end well, is it.

JEREMIAH 18 . KJV . look up
1The word which came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
2 Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words.
3 Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels.
4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
5 Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;
10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

As the wood in the lathe so the clay on the wheel. God knows what is about to happen, nations with the pencil case model for survival fail. We are unformed clay. Our ideas are worthless. God's ideas are all that matter. Only by His hand will what He intends be created.

[Harsha Shah]

Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor

Godlessness is the reason. It's as though God, in Jesus a carpenter, has adjusted His lathe to create table legs then Mao and Trotsky turn up wanting to make a pencil case. It's not going to end well, is it.

JEREMIAH 18 . KJV . look up
1The word which came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying,
2 Arise, and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words.
3 Then I went down to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels.
4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter: so he made it again another vessel, as seemed good to the potter to make it.
5 Then the word of the LORD came to me, saying,
6 O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.
7 At what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to pull down, and to destroy it;
8 If that nation, against whom I have pronounced, turn from their evil, I will repent of the evil that I thought to do unto them.
9 And at what instant I shall speak concerning a nation, and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it;
10 If it do evil in my sight, that it obey not my voice, then I will repent of the good, wherewith I said I would benefit them.

As the wood in the lathe so the clay on the wheel. God knows what is about to happen, nations with the pencil case model for survival fail. We are unformed clay. Our ideas are worthless. God's ideas are all that matter. Only by His hand will what He intends be created.

Miss Lizalor, it is Harsha Shah here again. Are you referring to the Lathe of Heaven that is also by Ursula Kroeber LeGuin? I am hoping that I am not offending you. Yes, it is book that tells us how our dreams can change the world. Yes. That is what communism is also wishing that that it would be all about, yes?

[MitzaLizalor]

With communism, an atheist ideology, there is no future. They deny that God is building His kingdom. The best they can do is defined in their Manifesto. Relocate an altered present into the future with all working parts removed.

God's future is real. He forms us with His hands and we are plastic for Him.

Isaiah 64:8 But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand. kjv

That is the very antithesis of communism. Their silly pencil case would shatter on a lathe while Christians are slippery for Him. By His fingers we are made and what communist could ever say that.

Do you have communists in India?

[Marshal Kim Jong-un]

Originally Posted by Marshal Kim Jong-un

Hell yes!


The people's flag is deepest red
It shrouded oft our martyred dead
And ere their limbs gre

[WRONG LYRICS AND REFERENCE TO WRONG FLAG REMOVED BY MODERATOR, REPLACED WITH APPROPRIATE IMAGE]

Friend, I does not mean USA star spangled banner.

[Red Army]

Originally Posted by Harsha Shah

Yes, Mr. Army, I am Harsha Shah. I am hoping that I am not offending you. Yes. I am seeing many common points between some of our Eastern religions, such the Jainism that I am an adherent of (but secular) and socialism. Yes. I really hope that this is not offending you, but I am seeing also a very big difference, yes. Communism is very different from our Jainism because you are not condemning all violence, yes? You do not follow ahimsa. You are advocating revolution and the dictatorship of the proletariat and striving for these goals even with violence, yes? Yes, I know that this is probably offending you.

I am wondering if you have ever been reading the books by Ursula Kroeber LeGuin. Yes? She was writing about non-authoritative communism many decades ago. The book I am reading is called The Dispossessed and it is a very good book and it is depicting a society of that kind, yes. It is also about temporal physics. The Left Hand of Darkness is also a very good book but that is about gender. Yes. I am thinking that both my Jainism and your communism are like the blind men and the elephant. They are all feeling a different part of the elephant but they forget that the elephant is a breathing feeling creature that should also be able to follow its own path to happiness. Yes. I am very sorry if I was offending you. Yes.

Lady Shah, revolution and menstruation have one thing in common: if there is no blood, it means it didn't happened.


Force is the midwife of history!


Sorry but I don't read those misleading pseudo-communist works.

[Red Army]

Originally Posted by MitzaLizalor

Because they do not implement Biblical standards and have not accepted Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Saviour.

I can understand that.


Even so, the treatment of homosexuals in Cuba and Soviet Russia was more biblical than the one you have in Australia or the US, don't you think? At least in one aspect, they were closer to God. Not as close as the Muslims are, but in between.


But yes, reading the Bible I know us communists are beyond redemption.

[Marshal Kim Jong-un]

For future reference, here will the song I am mean:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_BvWUOLYr4


Or in english:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDIuApfVxBg

[Brian M. Chenard]

Making atheists cry is so much fun, I loved doing it at the mosque back home in Iraq.

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Red Army

the treatment of homosexuals in Cuba and Soviet Russia was more biblical than the one you have in Australia or the US, don't you think?

Less so if your name was Guy Burgess.

reading the Bible I know us communists are beyond redemption.

If you are committing blasphemy Jesus is willing to overlook that, conditional upon your accepting Him as your personal Lord and Saviour. Just think: a bus could run you over today, in your denial, and Jesus would then deny you a place with Him for eternity. The fact that you might have been going to commit your life to Him tomorrow is not considered. You had not done so. You will fry.

Luke 12:8-10 Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven kjv

You could run around like a cut snake going "Jesus is mad, Jesus is mad!!" and of course that would get you into hell but as soon as you acknowledge Jesus Christ because He is compassionate and loving that is a little foible He'd be willing to overlook. He says so.

But even if you were going to convert tomorrow, blasphemy against The Holy Ghost renders all bets off, you're going to HELL FOREVER and no matter how many orphans you feed, educate and provide homes for or how much you declare your love for Jesus which would be a false declaration but anyway nothing cuts the mustard and it's down you'll go.

Have you blasphemed against The Holy Ghost? If not, think about that bus. The driver could be quaffing gin right now, getting behind the wheel, pressing down on the accelerator pedal, dare you step outside without confessing that you are a vile worm in His sight, deserving only of torture? Without declaring His majesty and Kingship over all (including supreme soviets that haven't gone belly-up (if any))? It might not be a bus; it could be an aeroplane, bits drop off, what if one landed on your head? Jesus intends right now to fling you into the pit of everlasting torment and pain. Pain and anguish. Anguish and suffering. He only wants you to love Him. And worship Him and declare His loveliness unceasingly. And His infinite mercy. And glory.

Otherwise it's torture, He guarantees it. Just love Him today, right now, and it will be safe to step outside. Face up to reality. Get something to live for. Subject to your not having blasphemed the Holy Ghost.

[Mistral]

The story was ***profanity referring to Job 20:7 removed***

[GaryCD]

I love this story so much! ***incoherent demonic rant removed*** silly Christians tell trying (failing) to make atheists look bad.

Too much wrong with this ridiculous 'story' for me to bother to list here, but this link explains most issues I have with it.

Thanks for the laugh.***suspicious probably fornicatory video removed***

[AsksDumbQuestions]

make them see who created the world and why did it exist and who is our savior who made a big sacrifice for everyone to change and let them see that Jesus is real. I saw it myself.

[Dolores de Barriga]

Originally Posted by AsksDumbQuestions

make them see who created the world and why did it exist and who is our savior who made a big sacrifice for everyone to change and let them see that Jesus is real. I saw it myself.

Hello Miss or Mr. Asks. I find your advice a bit difficult to follow, as the world we live in is quite cruel and filled with injustice and if God created it then He either did a very poor job or maybe He wanted it this way. I know I will burn in Hell forever for having these blasphemous thoughts, but I cannot force myself to worship a deity which is either cruel or incompetent.


Will you pray for me?

[AsksDumbQuestions]

Originally Posted by Dolores de Barriga

Hello Miss or Mr. Asks. I find your advice a bit difficult to follow, as the world we live in is quite cruel and filled with injustice and if God created it then He either did a very poor job or maybe He wanted it this way. I know I will burn in Hell forever for having these blasphemous thoughts, but I cannot force myself to worship a deity which is either cruel or incompetent.


Will you pray for me?

why people here keeps thinking I'm a female which I'm a male who loves everything but believes in hate but calms down after thinking for 1 hour then I'm over it and speaks differently. Oh wait I haven't said my identity yet.

Yes I will pray for you and also I use sentences that I learned by myself to speak english and I didn't improved because of online bullies which I can't fight back because they have stronger power from an admin which was abusive but I learned to forgive and forget which was horrible. but I just need to let it go and think wisely.

well it took 2 years for the items I needed and want to get it. I prayed and do everything and I just can't be myself anymore and it finally payed off after I got what I wanted and I am not forgiving myself for losing my sanity to stay away and forget our Lord and Savior because I almost abandon it and almost broke it.

right now I'm trying my best to make my grammar better by removing "because, the basic those, they, the, well, seriously etc."

but I'm using my grammar correctly but still I need to make my grammar more specific for people to understand it because "we are different".

[Dolores de Barriga]

Originally Posted by AsksDumbQuestions

why people here keeps thinking I'm a female which I'm a male who loves everything but believes in hate but calms down after thinking for 1 hour then I'm over it and speaks differently. Oh wait I haven't said my identity yet.

I am not assuming anything about you, which is why I addressed you as "Miss or Mr."

Yes I will pray for you and also I use sentences that I learned by myself to speak english and I didn't improved because of online bullies which I can't fight back because they have stronger power from an admin which was abusive but I learned to forgive and forget which was horrible. but I just need to let it go and think wisely.

Contrary to what you might think, interaction online might help improve your English. Even if your perceive people you interact with as bullies, you keep learning from them in terms of grammar and proper sentence structure.

well it took 2 years for the items I needed and want to get it. I prayed and do everything and I just can't be myself anymore and it finally payed off after I got what I wanted and I am not forgiving myself for losing my sanity to stay away and forget our Lord and Savior because I almost abandon it and almost broke it.

I am not entirely sure how this relates to my question posed in my post above, or even to anything else that you say in this post?

right now I'm trying my best to make my grammar better by removing "because, the basic those, they, the, well, seriously etc."

"The basic those" is not an expression. Other words on your list are OK, though, I'm not sure if you could create coherent sentences without them?

but I'm using my grammar correctly but still I need to make my grammar more specific for people to understand it because "we are different".

It's OK to be different but as non-native English speakers we have to adhere to the grammar rules created by native speakers. And the same goes for any person learning any other language, you just cannot make up your own rules.


I don't think you replied to my question, so I'll just patiently wait for that.

[Hondie]

Originally Posted by Vessel of Christ

A very inspiring story! I am going to tell this story to my rebellious atheist niece the next time I see him. If it doesn't change his ways then I suppose I'll have to beat the love of christ into him (Proverbs 23:13-14)

Make up your mind