[Elmer G. White]

Originally Posted by Xanax

Hi Elmer

The 19th centery Hebrew master and linguist applies the word rejection as a more accurate word for the Hebrew word "שׁנה", instead of hate.

Who? Cite the publication. Discuss why this "master" is more reliable than the other scholars and the other translations. Or is (s)he? This is what I meant with scholarship NOT simply being finding a suitable opinion that agrees with you. Compare this unknown "master's" views with those of the others. Are the overall results unambiguous? If not, can you choose which one of the many is the most probable translation? What are the approximate percentages of these probabilities?

Your "master" is just a fallacy. Without references it is a simple appeal to authority, a fallacy. And a weak appeal to authority as it is an appeal to an unknown authority.

Find the citation but that is not enough, as there are references that oppose the view of this "master". Find them also. Study, compare, try to find the material that is the strongest case against your hypothesis. Then try to defend yours. See if it survives.

Also, as I mentioned earlier, the Bible says that we are to hate our mother and father. Do you literally hate your parents?

My father is deceased and most probably in Hell. I honor (Matthew 15:4) but hate my mother. She denies Christ and at her old age engages in fornicatory activities out of wedlock. Our relationship is polite and distant as it should be. I accept this and I am certain that my kids honor me but hate my guts because they have to follow Christ. They'll thank me if they get into Heaven. If they don't, God will comfort me for my failure (Revelation 21:4).

Also, what are your thoughts on the equality of men and women. Do you agree with me?

Thanks!

The important point is if God agrees with you and He doesn't!

Ecclesiastes 7:26
And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her.

There are no "my thoughts". Nor opinions. Just the Word of God. Praise!


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

[Basilissa]

Originally Posted by Xanax

But, if what you are saying is true, then we should throw the Bible away. Because if God hates people, that means His salvation is not offered to everyone, because He does not love the world. Do you not see how saying that God hates certain people contradicts the message of the Gospel?

Dear, you are giving me a headache. God never said He loved all people. He only loves those who love Him back. Everyone else will be tormented in Hell forever.

When I love someone, I do not plan to torture them forever, even when they don't love me back. I might stalk them a little, but nothing too pushy and definitely no vengeance for not loving me.


God loves the world, yes. I love the world, too. I have been to three continents and plan to visit another one soon. That does not mean I love all people who live in this world.

Originally Posted by Xanax

Yes, I agree with you. A minority will make it to heaven. As the Bible says it is not simply enough to have faith. We need accept Him into our lives and repent of our sins and if we are truly saved our life will reflect it. But that does not mean that God does not want all to come to repentance, because He does. And it doesn't mean that everyone will repent. Because as the passage says, many people will not repent.

And even more people die not knowing that they need to repent, because they were raised in a non-Christian religious tradition. And they will suffer in Hell forever for their ignorance.

[Xanax]

Originally Posted by Elmer G. White

Who? Cite the publication. Discuss why this "master" is more reliable than the other scholars and the other translations. Or is (s)he? This is what I meant with scholarship NOT simply being finding a suitable opinion that agrees with you. Compare this unknown "master's" views with those of the others. Are the overall results unambiguous? If not, can you choose which one of the many is the most probable translation? What are the approximate percentages of these probabilities?

Your "master" is just a fallacy. Without references it is a simple appeal to authority, a fallacy. And a weak appeal to authority as it is an appeal to an unknown authority.

Find the citation but that is not enough, as there are references that oppose the view of this "master". Find them also. Study, compare, try to find the material that is the strongest case against your hypothesis. Then try to defend yours. See if it survives.
My father is deceased and most probably in Hell. I honor (Matthew 15:4) but hate my mother. She denies Christ and at her old age engages in fornicatory activities out of wedlock. Our relationship is polite and distant as it should be. I accept this and I am certain that my kids honor me but hate my guts because they have to follow Christ. They'll thank me if they get into Heaven. If they don't, God will comfort me for my failure (Revelation 21:4).
The important point is if God agrees with you and He doesn't!

Ecclesiastes 7:26
And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her.

There are no "my thoughts". Nor opinions. Just the Word of God. Praise!


Yours in Christ,

Elmer

Sorry I forgot to include his name. So the master's name is Samson Hirsch. If your kids hate you, why should they respect you? It makes no sense. If they literally hate you then they are disobeying the Bible when it says to love your neighbors. Your theory has so many holes and it does not make sense according to the Bible.

Also, if you believe that men are not equal to women, then you are not following the Bible, as the abundance of evidence that I provided from the Bible explains that thay are equal. The Bible makes it very clear that men and women are equal. As you never backed up your claim with the Bible...

[Elmer G. White]

Thank you, dear sinner, for your reply. Now we can assess how well you followed the instructions that could have made this an actual conversation:

Originally Posted by Elmer G. White

Who? Cite the publication. Discuss why this "master" is more reliable than the other scholars and the other translations. Or is (s)he? This is what I meant with scholarship NOT simply being finding a suitable opinion that agrees with you. Compare this unknown "master's" views with those of the others. Are the overall results unambiguous? If not, can you choose which one of the many is the most probable translation? What are the approximate percentages of these probabilities?

Your "master" is just a fallacy. Without references it is a simple appeal to authority, a fallacy. And a weak appeal to authority as it is an appeal to an unknown authority.

Find the citation but that is not enough, as there are references that oppose the view of this "master". Find them also. Study, compare, try to find the material that is the strongest case against your hypothesis. Then try to defend yours. See if it survives.

Now, onto your post with great expectations.

Originally Posted by Xanax

Sorry I forgot to include his name. So the master's name is Samson Hirsch.

OK, we have a name. The things you're missing are as follows:

• Citation.
• Credentials.
• The actual publication.
• Link.
• Bibliographical information.
• Discussion why this person is more reliable than all the Bible translations and scholars (including LXX) who disagree with Hirsch.
• Comparison of this still unknown Hirsch source to other occurrences of these words in classical literature.
• The relative proportions of reliability of the different opinions.

Back to square one. As I told you, a citation is not enough. It's simply your confirmation bias and the appeal to authority fallacy again and again.

If your kids hate you, why should they respect you? It makes no sense. If they literally hate you then they are disobeying the Bible when it says to love your neighbors.

We live in the same household and not as neighbors. This issue is thoroughly covered in one of our Pastors' most influential sermons:

Your theory has so many holes and it does not make sense according to the Bible.

Once again, you make a simple assertion. Where are the citations, bibliographical information and the discussion of the various viewpoints. In addition, I don't make theories. I just read what's written in the Bible. Also in the classical languages. Did you start your Greek studies yet?

Also, if you believe that men are not equal to women, then you are not following the Bible, as the abundance of evidence that I provided from the Bible explains that thay are equal. The Bible makes it very clear that men and women are equal. As you never backed up your claim with the Bible...

My Brethren have shown you a plethora of verses about the issue. You ignored them. You continue to ignore them. There was a time when ignorance was an excuse: that was, however, changed long ago.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

Incidentally, if your read ὅτι ἀνήρ ἐστιν κεφαλὴ τῆς γυναικὸς ὡς καὶ ὁ Χριστὸς κεφαλὴ τῆς ἐκκλησίας, αὐτὸς σωτὴρ τοῦ σώματος to mean that the sexes are equal, you're also claiming that the Church and the men therein are equal to Jesus. I've encountered many forms of blasphemy but this is among the top three. From now on, I'll be replying you only if you can provide actual information and make an actual justified point, otherwise, I find it prudent to follow 2 Corinthians 6:14.


Yours in Christ,

Elmer