[Sheldon the Swede]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

So, let me put your ideas of life that I already know in a short list :

Shoot any animal that annoyes you, even if they're protected by law.

Treat any women as shit, even if they're anatomically and mentally the same while they're (again) protected by law.

Treat anyone like a retard if they disagree with any of your ideas and pray they will be cast in hell.

Even if the life of a women is in danger (even if she provoced someone for rape, that doesn't give any right to that person to rape somenone else), you will sacrifice her for an very unlikely lifeable child (more common foetus = pile of cells).

[Sheldon the Swede]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

A women can wear even a bikini or a topless, it doesn't give any right to anyone to rape or attack that person. And certainly not prevent them to go to a doctor for a abortion. Does God give the right to any person to rape someone else if she/he wears something a bit 'sexy'?

Musn't you first convert them or something?

[Lycia The Repentant]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

A women can wear even a bikini or a topless, it doesn't give any right to anyone to rape or attack that person. And certainly not prevent them to go to a doctor for a abortion. Does God give the right to any person to rape someone else if she/he wears something a bit 'sexy'?

Of course God doesn't approve of rape if a woman is flaunting herself and being a harlot. He only approves of it during military campaigns:

"When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it. And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee. And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it: And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee." Deuteronomy 20:10-14

"When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her." Deuteronomy 21:10-14

"Have they not sped? have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two; to Sisera a prey of divers colours, a prey of divers colours of needlework, of divers colours of needlework on both sides, meet for the necks of them that take the spoil?" Judges 5:30

"Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city." Zechariah 14:1-2

And occasionally God uses rape as a form of punishment:

"Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun." 2 Samuel 12:11

But absolutely none of this scripture implies in any way that those women were being anything but horrible filthy temptresses!

Musn't you first convert them or something?

Well, we should try to convert EVERYONE, but your point is moot if the harlots are at fault, isn't it?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

So, let me put your ideas of life that I already know in a short list :

Shoot any animal that annoyes you, even if they're protected by law.

Treat any women as shit, even if they're anatomically and mentally the same while they're (again) protected by law.

Treat anyone like a retard if they disagree with any of your ideas and pray they will be cast in hell.

Even if the life of a women is in danger (even if she provoced someone for rape, that doesn't give any right to that person to rape somenone else), you will sacrifice her for an very unlikely lifeable child (more common foetus = pile of cells).

A women can wear even a bikini or a topless, it doesn't give any right to anyone to rape or attack that person. And certainly not prevent them to go to a doctor for a abortion. Does God give the right to any person to rape someone else if she/he wears something a bit 'sexy'?

Musn't you first convert them or something?

We're talking about God's Holy Word here, miss, not secular law.

And this thread is about the Christian position on abortion (baby killing). Better go back and read this thread from the beginning.

[BelieverInGod]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

Actually, abortion is a medical operation, not really much about choice. When the life of the mother is in danger, often the baby must sacrificed, an unpleasent choice but the right one. Why sacrifice the life of a young women/girl for a lifeless pile of molecules?

So there's no choice involved in abortions? Really? Since when is abortion not a "choice"? Every medical operation is a choice. People choose whether to undergo Cancer treatment, whether to get blood transfusions, and whether or not to have a limb amputated.

Perhaps you should take a look at the videos from Prolife.com and tell us that these children are nothing but a "pile of molecules". What a disgusting thing to say about a human being.

So any girl (even is she wears provocative clothes or not) that walks on a street and is attacked and raped, your saying then It is her fault?

If you say yes, your saying that a women doesn't deserves respect and rights and has only to live for man.

What does this have to do with your "forced medical procedures"? After all Abortion isn't a choice according to you, it's a necessary medical procedure. But taking this point specifically, what ever happened to personal responsibility? YES it's the girls fault! Read Deuteronomy 22 and the Bible will tell you the same thing!

If women is less then an animal (even an animal is better treated) why put the women here in the first place if she suffers? I thought religion was about compassion and respect, apparently only respect for those who are worthy in the eyes of those who control religion. If I didn't knew better, I would say that religion only serves to man to better control the women, an equal to man!!

Who here said that a woman was less than an animal? According to the Bible if you rape an animal, both you and the animal are stoned to death. At least with a unbetrothed woman, there is a marriage, and if the woman screams and fights back she is considered blameless. But instead you want to make her just lay there for your sexual perversions and then make her abort your demon seed. What a disgusting little pervert you are.

It is because of your triple yes that many people suffer from rape, even men get raped, and they are not specially gay or believing in something different than you.

Well you wouldn't get raped if you didn't hang out in gay bars, would you.

So, let me put your ideas of life that I already know in a short list :

Shoot any animal that annoyes you, even if they're protected by law.

Wow, you've got an active imagination. Is this the stuff that you fantasize to? Raping women and killing animals? Since when are stray dogs considered protected?

Treat any women as shit, even if they're anatomically and mentally the same while they're (again) protected by law.

Other than you, who says we're being treated like shit? I'm much happier being a True Christian(TM) woman than having to live with the likes of you in the secular world.

Treat anyone like a retard if they disagree with any of your ideas and pray they will be cast in hell.

Well if the safety helmet fits.

Even if the life of a women is in danger (even if she provoced someone for rape, that doesn't give any right to that person to rape somenone else), you will sacrifice her for an very unlikely lifeable child (more common foetus = pile of cells).

I'm absolutely disgusted by you. According to you women should whore themselves all over the place so that you can rape them, and then kill the child. How about this. The woman lives a True Christian(TM) lifestyle, doesn't get raped and doesn't need an abortion.

Oh and you may want to look at your facts, very few abortions are the result of a reported rape. Mostly it's a matter of convenience.

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

Shoot any animal that annoyes you, even if they're protected by law.

Not in Freehold.

even if they're anatomically and mentally the same

Where did you get the idiotic idea than men and women are anatomically the same? Do you think men can get abortions as well?

Treat anyone like a retard if they disagree with any of your ideas

It is not my mistake that they behave like retards.

and pray they will be cast in hell

I would never do that. I hope everyone will see how wrong they are, better themselves and go to Heaven.

Even if the life of a women is in danger, you will sacrifice her for an very unlikely lifeable child (more common foetus = pile of cells).

Abortion is murder. Murder is bad. It's that simple.

[Widows Son]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

Murder is bad. It's that simple.

Does God ever murder?

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

Does God ever murder?

When God kills people, always people deserving it of course, it is called smiting.

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

When God kills people, always people deserving it of course, it is called smiting.

Let me enhance Brother Cranky here; when God smites someone (important difference between murder) what happens is the sinner forces God to kill them threw their sins. This is deity assisted suicide and wholly the sinner's fault. Our all knowing, all loving, all powerful Creator can not be held at fault here, it was the sinner who forced God to do this.

[Widows Son]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

[ . . . ] when God smites someone [ . . . ] what happens is the sinner forces God to kill them threw their sins.

When God smites an unborn child, is that deserved?

Our all knowing, all loving, all powerful Creator [ . . . ].

So, the Heisenberg uncertainty principle

which states "precise inequalities that certain pairs of physical properties, such as position and momentum, cannot be simultaneously known to arbitrarily high precision," is wrong, because God is an all knowing Creator?

[Pastor Ezekiel]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

When God smites an unborn child, is that deserved?

If God does it, then it's deserved. Duh.

So, the Heisenberg uncertainty principle

which states "precise inequalities that certain pairs of physical properties, such as position and momentum, cannot be simultaneously known to arbitrarily high precision," is wrong, because God is an all knowing Creator?

This is a very powerful prayer against Witchcraft. This prayer can shut down witches and satanists forever. Being that this prayer basically shuts down the senders of the hexes and vexes by returning their evil to them sevenfold. I hurl it at you NOW!

Father,
In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, I plead the precious uncorruptable blood of Jesus over myself and my church and everything that belongs to us. I ask for giant warrior Angels to be loosed from Heaven to surround and protect us. As your war club and weapons of war I break down, undamn, and blow up all walls of protection around all witches, warlocks, wizards, satanists, and the like, and I break the power of all curses, hexes, vexes, spells, charms, fetishes, physic prayers, physic thought, all witchcraft, sorcery, magic, voodoo, all mind control, jinxes, potions, bewitchments, death, destruction, sickness, pain, torment, physic power, physic warfare, prayer chains, and everything else being sent my way or my family members way, and I return it and the demons to the senders right now!, SEVENFOLD, and I BIND it to them by the Blood of Jesus!

Father, I pray that these lost souls will find the light of your son Jesus.. Their own snares and traps have been set against themselves.. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth I now loose them from all mindcontrol of satan!.. Father I also ask that you Bind the Holy Spirit to there hearts as a guide to your son Jesus.. So they may be set free from the bondages of satan.

In Jesus name I pray..
Amen

[Cranky Old Man]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

So, the Heisenberg uncertainty principle

which states "precise inequalities that certain pairs of physical properties, such as position and momentum, cannot be simultaneously known to arbitrarily high precision," is wrong, because God is an all knowing Creator?

Not it is not wrong. It's just that Heisenberg only applies to humans, not to God. We humans can only see part of what is happening in the Universe. God however knows the position and the momentum of all particles in all of the space time continuum. That's just how awesome He is!

[Bobby-Joe]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

When God smites an unborn child, is that deserved?

Yes, probably the unborn child was thinking about butt sex or something that angered God. People need to take more personal responsibility and stop blaming the Lord for everything.

So, the Heisenberg uncertainty principle

which states "precise inequalities that certain pairs of physical properties, such as position and momentum, cannot be simultaneously known to arbitrarily high precision," is wrong, because God is an all knowing Creator?

Friend,
Were talking about God here. What does secular magic like this Hindenburg Uncertainty Principle have to do with that? You can't block God's knowledge by casting a spell.

[Billy Bob Jenkins]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

When God smites an unborn child, is that deserved?

Unborn children often touch themselves inadvertently. This is the cause of much intra-uterine smiting (i.e. miscarriages).

[Mistress Cookie]

Re: What Christians believe about Abortion

This whole topic is so very distasteful...!