[Des]

Originally Posted by AdryianBoydDodd

Nonsense. I never implied that.

Well God seems to be just fine with abortions so long as they are the right abortions. So what exactly is your point?


Me, I look forward to facing Satan's legions of aborted fetuses come Judgement Day. They won't be able to hold a sword, and you can easily kick them out of the way.

[MitzaLizalor]

Having decided to display herself outside David's bedroom glistening in the sunlight and pouring oils over herself, Bathsheba could hardly be surprised when the message arrived:

II SAMUEL 11 . KJV . look up
2 And it came to pass in an eveningtide, that David arose from off his bed, and walked upon the roof of the king's house: and from the roof he saw a woman washing herself; and the woman was very beautiful to look upon.
3 And David sent and enquired after the woman. And one said, Is not this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite?
4 And David sent messengers, and took her; and she came in unto him, and he lay with her; for she was purified from her uncleanness: and she returned unto her house.

Check out the end of verse 4: and she returned unto her house my point being that the episode with the bath could not have occurred where she lived because (firstly) in that case she would not have needed to return home and (secondly) that would require her bathroom to have been built immediately adjacent to David's roof balcony and/or he'd built his house with the bedroom peering in directly at her bath. The situation was therefore as illustrated [below].

Nothing good is likely to develop from such a revolting scheme and sure enough it did. A revolting child. God's love is perfect and cannot co-exist with sin. What would do so that He could continue showing His love for David? This is very important because without David there could be no Jesus and thus no sacrifice so we'd never be redeemed. A truly terrible thought.

5 And the woman conceived, and sent and told David, and said, I am with child.

. . . . .David sorted the situation regarding Uriah the Hittite see verse 3

26 And when the wife of Uriah heard that Uriah her husband was dead, she mourned for her husband.
27 And when the mourning was past, David sent and fetched her to his house, and she became his wife, and bare him a son. But the thing that David had done displeased the LORD.

The revolting child was abhorrent to God because He is perfect. Something would have to be done, but first someone needed to suffer. God needed to make quite certain that everyone knew how rotten they'd been. It's wonderful that God was able to achieve this outcome and that Jesus was born setting me free from sin. Hallelujah!

II SAMUEL 12 . KJV . whole chapter
15b The LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.
16 David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth.

The wretched child was going to die in the end but first the suffering. Day one was terrible, the pain, the shortness of breath. “Will it get better soon, Daddy?” On the second day after a rotten night and we know it was a rotten night because the revolting child has been selected to eventually die so that Jesus can come the first time, it gets worse. David prayed but the thing just got sicker and sicker. What had it done wrong? It had been conceived in sin and God who is perfect cannot co-exist with sin. Every day more dreadful than the one before. “Daddy, will I start getting better tomorrow?” Yes darling tomorrow is a special day because my sin will have been dealt with and I can get on with producing Solomon. This is God's Perfect Love in action clearing the path so that we could be redeemed and Jesus could come again.

18 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead?
19 But when David saw that his servants whispered, David perceived that the child was dead: therefore David said unto his servants, Is the child dead? And they said, He is dead.
20 Then David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed himself, and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the LORD, and worshipped:

It is important to realise that we are imperfect and therefore cannot understand perfect love. The function of the child is not the same for God, who actually is perfect, as it is for us. David had a better understanding and Bathsheba gets a footnote here and there. Sin is the real issue here not whether a child receives justice by our standards. The heathen may say, "Oh that child just got sick," which we know already but the point is that rather than just killing it with a high intensity blast God made His plan work properly for me. Thank you Jesus.

Heathens are so selfish, it's all about them but Jesus was born just to set me free.

[Revealing Fools]

Originally Posted by joem789

But I strongly disagree with learning about Him in Bible Colleges or seminaries. Because the scriptures were never meant to be learned that way. If one actually learns them properly, they will find that the "Word" is actually the Spirit of GOD, not the scriptures.

Actually, you're wrong!!! The scriptures clearly teach JESUS is the "word", NOT THE SPIRIT.

Originally Posted by joem789

The scriptures are nothing more than testimonies for initial knowledge.

?????? You are SO WRONG again! The scriptures ARE INDEED the "Word" of God for today!! We are to SEARCH THEM DAILY, as the Bereans did. We are to STUDY THEM to show ourselves APPROVED WORKMEN, we are to LOVE THEM WITH ALL OUR HEARTS!!
The scriptures are God's PRESERVED WORDS forever.

Originally Posted by joem789

It is possible to use the scriptures to trick people's minds into succumbing to "doctrines of men". And it is almost always in the form of a formally trained pastor and an organized church. I think George Fox is a man who knew very well. And he often rebuked and reproved the churches in their flawed doctrines. He also founded the Quakers, which to me follow the pure form of Christianity.

SO SAD, wrong again!!! They follow a system of Righteousness BY WORKS!!

Originally Posted by joem789

Jesus told us that you can't find figs in a bush of thorns (something like that). Meaning that you cannot use anger and aggression to be fruitful.

WOW!!!!! How many times in one post can someone be so WRONG???? That verse does not mean that AT ALL!!!!
WOW!!! Where do you get your understanding from???? He EVEN TOLD YOU what he was trying to say, and you STILL MISSED IT!!!

Originally Posted by joem789

Jesus was meek. He was of gentle nature. And He expects us to be as well. If one cannot reach out gently to others, then he is not perfected in Christ.

So Jesus was sinning and not perfect when he FLIPPED THE MONEY CHANGERS' TABLES???? When he referred to the unrighteous leaders as VIPERS????? Does GOD not display WRATH???? When JESUS came the first time, He told us he did not come to judge- THAT TIME!!!!!! He was here to reveal himself to the KINGDOM AGE PEOPLE!!! His time to come in judgement IS STILL COMING!!! Where will his "meekness" be THEN????? Will he be sinning THEN????

Originally Posted by joem789

pray to GOD that he will finally wake up one day and realize his major error.

And I pray to God that YOU finally wake up and recognize and repent of your PRIDEFUL ARROGANCE and FOOLISHNESS!!!

[Roland]

Originally Posted by Revealing Fools

Some arguments

Hi Revealing,

Nice of you to drop by. I do know the Christians™ here appreciate it when people introduce themselves when they visit for the first time. Just a hint. You can do that here: The Introduction Forum. The instructions are in the description of said forum. Hope that helps and good luck,

Roland

[Johny Joe Hold]

Originally Posted by Roland

Hi Revealing,
Nice of you to drop by. I do know the Christians™ here appreciate it when people introduce themselves when they visit for the first time. Just a hint. You can do that here: The Introduction Forum. The instructions are in the description of said forum. Hope that helps and good luck,
Roland

I would just add a note to Revealing that the intro page is to establish credentials. This is a site where high level discussion of the Bible and sin take place. Those who have, or have not, paid their dues need to make that known on the Intro Page.

[MitzaLizalor]

It's possible you'll look in here before making an introduction post so there's a couple of minor points in your post that I'll address briefly.

Originally Posted by Revealing Fools

Quote: "But I strongly disagree etc.

There's a "quote" button you can use to link earlier posts in a thread, at the bottom of the post you're quoting. In this case it's an eight year old first post from a blow-in who only made one other comment, descending into prurience, then was gone. Unlikely to read your suggestions.

[your quote continues] with learning about Him in Bible Colleges or seminaries. Because the scriptures were never meant to be learned that way. If one actually learns them properly, they will find that the "Word" is actually the Spirit of GOD, not the scriptures.

Actually, you're wrong!!! The scriptures clearly teach JESUS is the "word", NOT THE SPIRIT.

OK, you hold that Jesus is The Word.

Quote: "The scriptures are nothing more than testimonies for initial knowledge."

?????? You are SO WRONG again! The scriptures ARE INDEED the "Word" of God for today!! etc. and so forth

Now you've changed tack and The Bible is The Word. The introduction forum is a great place to resolve that contradiction and cite a suitable passage from either the Old or New Testament (or both) which you can look up here:

[Mary Etheldreda]

Originally Posted by Revealing Fools

Actually, you're wrong!!!

Hello Mr. Fools and welcome to our friendly forums! Don't feel bad about picking on a seven year old post. Jesus didn't feel bad about rebuking sinners and neither should we. After all what is seven years in comparison with eternity? Besides, we do so like resurrections around here.

I edited your post to include the original sinner to whom you are responding for the sake of clarity and comprehension. I would encourage you dear to be more direct in your rebukes of falsehoods and phantasms of Biblical Truth. Jesus was correct when He rebuked the Jews, calling them out specifically and directly:

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 8:44

The Apostle Paul took the Holy High Road in like fashion when he similarly and concisely pointed out the Diabolic Splinter in the Jew's Eye:

[God Damned Jews] killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us;
and they do not please God and are contrary to all men,
1 Thessalonians 2:15

We need not wait long for the LORD's Blessed Revenge to include their worshiping at our own feet.

Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.
Revelation 3:9

Glory!

So don't be shy my Brother in Christ! Be direct, be explicit in whom you will correct. We have been given a Divine Directive to rebuke the sinner, and should never falter in that great commission (2 Timothy 4:2).

[MitzaLizalor]

Originally Posted by Mary Etheldreda

(2 Timothy 4:2)

There's another type of Word.

It would be great to get some clarification on this topic, thank you for highlighting Christ's statement concerning heretics, perhaps we'll get an update soon.

[James Hutchins]

I really do not have the time to read all the posts in this topic. Suffice it to say, hoaxes, fakes, liars and other forms of trickery I cannot cotton to. God is right, people are wrong.