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Default Re: Little psychological thought why God wants us to beat women instead of arguing - 11-14-2017, 07:16 PM

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Non-believers have no morals, and time and time again we see on this very forum they have precious little intelligence. Some 14,000 studies (give or take) have been found to conclusively prove that non-believers lack intelligence, moral standards, and even simple common sense. They're burdens upon society, but we don't mind for we have been commissioned with a Divine Order to care for the lesser creatures of the earth.

I don't know what kind of sources do you have. Most of the studies show cearly that atheists are more intelligent than believers, because we value rational thinking, while you are trying to avoid it. As an example you can take many famous inventors and scientists.


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In my country the things are also that way... the religious minority is not the smartest group of people. Of course, it depends, I know many stupid atheists and smart christians, but yet it's rare. For example: I graduated from school 3 years ago. It's was one of the "elite" schools in my country. There were 140 students and 3 of them were religious. Take the hint.


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Default Re: Little psychological thought why God wants us to beat women instead of arguing - 11-14-2017, 07:22 PM

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Hello Miss or Mr. His. Please note who Mr. Much is - there is a description next to his name. He has been brainwashed into atheism, I suppose, but that did not preclude him from reading the Bible carefully and critically.
Sorry, I don't notice that, as he was speaking the exact same nonsense as brainwashed believers are. My bad.


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Sorry, I don't notice that, as he was speaking the exact same nonsense as brainwashed believers are...
For the first sentence in my post, you're right; I should have included a "from their perspective".


You really should read the whole Bible. Wouldn't you rather know what the hell you're talking about when you try to poke holes in it?


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Default Re: Little psychological thought why God wants us to beat women instead of arguing - 11-15-2017, 02:58 PM

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You really should read the whole Bible. Wouldn't you rather know what the hell you're talking about when you try to poke holes in it?
I'm not trying to poke holes in the bible our that religion. I accept the fact that some people believe that book as much as i believe my chemistry studybook. Maybe I really should read the whole bible, but let's be honest: as much as I've read some parts of it, the fantasy part is good, othher studies not so much, so nothing would get me to this again. I'm not saying that it's profoundly bad and should be banned, but if people start to take their religion too seriously, the result of this won't be good. Greatest example of this is ISIS.


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I'm not trying to poke holes in the bible our that religion. I accept the fact that some people believe that book as much as i believe my chemistry studybook.
Hello again Mr. or Miss His. Why would you believe your chemistry study book? Isn't it filled with formulas and experiments showing scientific evidence for what it claims?


You need belief only for things you have no proof of. That's the fundamental difference between religion and science.


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Maybe I really should read the whole bible, but let's be honest: as much as I've read some parts of it, the fantasy part is good, othher studies not so much, so nothing would get me to this again. I'm not saying that it's profoundly bad and should be banned,
Right now, your opinion that (1) parts of the Bible are good, (2) parts not so much, (3) it is not profoundly bad, and (4) should not be banned, is based solely on your belief derived from your ignorance. That is very easy to fix - just read the whole book and then you can confirm or revisit any of these four claims based on actual evidence.


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but if people start to take their religion too seriously, the result of this won't be good. Greatest example of this is ISIS.
I think you are comparing here religion to an illegal drug, or one of the many unhealthy but legal substances such as sugar. If I interpret what you say correctly, you are implying that religion taken in small quantities may be relatively harmless, but prolonged use can lead to serious complications.


That is an interesting thesis and I like the fact that you are using a single argument derived from current world events. However, to make your thesis stronger, you need more arguments. I would suggest digging deeper into history to see the effects of religions - you can either look for examples from anytime/everywhere or concentrate on a single case, e.g. role of Christianity in Europe and areas affected by Christian Europeans, going back all the way to 313 when Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire.


However, the argument would be even stronger if you read the source which is the foundation of Christianity - the Holy Bible. Read it critically, trying to determine whether there is justification for all of the horrible things done by Christians in the name of their religion. I would not be surprised if after reading the Bible, you would want to revisit some of your four points quoted above.


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Default Re: Little psychological thought why God wants us to beat women instead of arguing - 11-15-2017, 06:32 PM

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However, to make your thesis stronger, you need more arguments. I would suggest digging deeper into history to see the effects of religions - you can either look for examples from anytime/everywhere or concentrate on a single case, e.g. role of Christianity in Europe and areas affected by Christian Europeans, going back all the way to 313 when Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire.
I used to have quite intensive history lessons in school, so I'm aware of the Crusades, reasons and results of them, Jesus's orign and nature, the jews who were there before christianity etc. In the Medieval period, people needed something ultimate to believe in, because they didn't know why things were going like they were. They needed explanation for thunder, famine, hurricanes and therefore some people with high spiritual flight decided to create god(s). I know a lot about Roman empire and it's collapse, the emergence of christianity, money-loving holy men etc, so if you want arguments, just ask

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Read it critically, trying to determine whether there is justification for all of the horrible things done by Christians in the name of their religion.

There is no justification for those things and there will never be.


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I used to have quite intensive history lessons in school, so I'm aware of ... Jesus's orign and nature,
This is interesting, Miss or Mr. His. I was unaware that history can tell anything about Jesus' origin and nature, given the complete absence of non-Christian accounts of His life.


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the jews who were there before christianity etc.
They are still around, too.


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In the Medieval period, people needed something ultimate to believe in, because they didn't know why things were going like they were. They needed explanation for thunder, famine, hurricanes and therefore some people with high spiritual flight decided to create god(s).
Is your thesis now, that religion was created in the Medieval times? That is interesting. How do you explain the oldest temple in the world which, according to archaeologists*, dates back to 10,000 years ago, then? And please note that the oldest ceremonial architecture does not mark the advent of religion, but rather is a culmination of a long religious tradition before it.


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so if you want arguments, just ask
Well, you are the person who has presented a thesis, so it's in your best interest to present as many arguments supporting your thesis as you can, and not wait for someone else to drag them out of you.

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There is no justification for those things and there will never be.
I might have misspoken, I am not a native speaker of English. What I meant is that a careful and critical reading of the Bible might give you an understanding how Christian people justify things like genocide, slavery, oppression of women, etc. I am not arguing whether such things are justifiable from a modern/Western understanding of ethics/morality. I just want you to be able to tell me whether the Holy Bible can be used as justification of these things - disregarding the modern/Western understanding of ethics/morality you have been socialized to think of as common sense.



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I have to laugh at the use of all this 'science' used to explain things that the Bible already covered. Sort of like a man trying to figure out why he is soaking wet when even the simplest of people could tell it was from standing outside while Jesus wept.
Now, to be fair to 'Free Will', my father insisted I be open minded and look at things from both sides. So I went to school, got a masters degree in Organic Chemistry. But no matter how many ways I tried, I never once had a creature crawl out of a bowl of slime or a open jar of Peanut Butter© (I tried both the smooth and crunchy as my Masters Thesis).
No scientist has ever made a person, except in those old Frankenstein movies. What 'scientist have done is make drugs that cause people to see things and hear things that simply are not there. All kinds of false beliefs.


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Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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if people start to take their religion too seriously, the result of this won't be good.
No! It will be good if it is the right religion! We will all do and think the same things - this is why Christianity is united.
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I have to laugh at the use of all this 'science' used to explain things that the Bible already covered. Sort of like a man trying to figure out why he is soaking wet when even the simplest of people could tell it was from standing outside while Jesus wept.
Now, to be fair to 'Free Will', my father insisted I be open minded and look at things from both sides. So I went to school, got a masters degree in Organic Chemistry. But no matter how many ways I tried, I never once had a creature crawl out of a bowl of slime or a open jar of Peanut Butter© (I tried both the smooth and crunchy as my Masters Thesis).
No scientist has ever made a person, except in those old Frankenstein movies. What 'scientist have done is make drugs that cause people to see things and hear things that simply are not there. All kinds of false beliefs.
Actualy, I have never, really never , hit my wife (perhaps nearly 'ex' but today went very well) except in ...um....some 'games' we sometimes played.


She didn't like.


Apart from that, I never hit her.


Something tells me violence is not an answer to anything?
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Actualy, I have never, really never , hit my wife (perhaps nearly 'ex' but today went very well) except in ...um....some 'games' we sometimes played.


She didn't like.


Apart from that, I never hit her.


Something tells me violence is not an answer to anything?

I agree, no man or decent True Christian™ is violent. That would be terrible! Like any good person, there are times when we have to do things we do not like. Not letting a child have dessert for stealing. Making a girl apologize to a boy for her being a harlot and a whore. Dealing with failing to follow simple instructions using less words than a typical animal fully understands. Sometimes, plain talk does not work and stronger methods of 'correction' must be used, no matter how much it pains the giver. I for one have suffered in silence over and over and over.
1st John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1st John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1st John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1st John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Romans 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth

Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

1st John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Yet I never whine about it.
Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
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1st Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1st Corinthians 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
1st Corinthians 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
1st Corinthians 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
1st Corinthians 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
1st Corinthians 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
1st Corinthians 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
1st Corinthians 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

1st Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1st Corinthians 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1st Timothy 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1st Timothy 2:10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1st Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1st Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1st Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
1st Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
1st Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Ephesians 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Colossians 3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord

Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Titus 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Titus 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

1st Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
1st Peter 3:2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear.
1st Peter 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
1st Peter 3:4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.
1st Peter 3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
1st Peter 3:6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

Revelation 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.


Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
Numbers 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Matthew 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Matthew 10:36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
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They are still around, too.

I know. I was talking about jews who were there before your religion was created.

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Is your thesis now, that religion was created in the Medieval times? That is interesting. How do you explain the oldest temple in the world which, according to archaeologists*, dates back to 10,000 years ago, then? And please note that the oldest ceremonial architecture does not mark the advent of religion, but rather is a culmination of a long religious tradition before it.
It's not my thesis. I was trying to explain why religion was so popular in Medieval times. I am aware of ancient cultures, their mythology and religion.


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Obviously, this is the wrong religion.
ISIS is not a religion, it's a terror organisation. They think they follow the Quran and that killing non-believers gives them access to paradise. It was the same about the Crusades. Now, ISIS thinks that if you did this some centuries ago and it's OK for most of people (christians) so they assume they can do it and stay unpunished as well. I'm not saying it's your fault or something, but it' a point where people should take a moment and think about our past and future. Maybe 300 years ago, majority of people are islamists and you are as hated as they are now.


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I know. I was talking about jews who were there before your religion was created.
I am unsure why you are making assumptions about my beliefs as I am not a True Christian - I lack the necessary faith in things I find too irrational to be believable; I am afraid I will burn in Hell for it, but I just cannot force my mind to believe things which Bible tells me to believe in.

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It's not my thesis. I was trying to explain why religion was so popular in Medieval times. I am aware of ancient cultures, their mythology and religion.
So basically, you agree that religion was as popular in Medieval times as it was at any other time in human history. OK, then.

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ISIS is not a religion, it's a terror organisation.

You know, you could defend that same thesis if you replace "ISIS" with "Catholic Church", which, it can be easily argued, is the longest-existing criminal organization in human history.


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They think they follow the Quran and that killing non-believers gives them access to paradise. It was the same about the Crusades. Now, ISIS thinks that if you did this some centuries ago and it's OK for most of people (christians) so they assume they can do it and stay unpunished as well. I'm not saying it's your fault or something,
Of course not. You cannot blame the messenger for the content of the message. Speaking of which, have you tried reading the Bible yet? Because - spoiler alert - that is the message which justifies every atrocity ever committed by Christians in the name of Christ.


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but it' a point where people should take a moment and think about our past and future. Maybe 300 years ago, majority of people are islamists and you are as hated as they are now.
I have no idea what point you are trying to make, here.


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I am unsure why you are making assumptions about my beliefs as I am not a True Christian - I lack the necessary faith in things I find too irrational to be believable; I am afraid I will burn in Hell for it, but I just cannot force my mind to believe things which Bible tells me to believe in.
I have to apologize one more time, just didn't notice that (again). But your situation is only good for you. And I'm sure you'd burn in hell if there was one.

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So basically, you agree that religion was as popular in Medieval times as it was at any other time in human history. OK, then.
Oeh. Yes, religion was also popular in ancient times, yes, it was popular in Medieval times, it is somehow popular now, but there are many differences. As I said before, in the Medieval times, people needed something to believe in, because they didn't know why some things were happening. The same was in ancient times, yes. Now the times have changed. In some way all of you believe in science or you wouldn't be here now.
Also, there have been different movements, which moved away from the god and jesus' teachings (philosophy, the age of enlightenment, the French Revolution etc) so we can't say religion has always been that popular. There are 1.2 billion non-believers in the world right now, so even nowadays god isn't so popular as christians would like.


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You know, you could defend that same thesis if you replace "ISIS" with "Catholic Church", which, it can be easily argued, is the longest-existing criminal organization in human history.

That's the point where I have to agree with you. But same goes for orthodoxy, baptism and other christian movements.


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I have no idea what point you are trying to make, here.

My mistake again. I wrote it in phone and so quickly, I didn't see the error here. Sorry. What I meant is that not 300 years ago, but 300 years later.


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You know, you could defend that same thesis if you replace "ISIS" with "Catholic Church", which, it can be easily argued, is the longest-existing criminal organization in human history.
I totally agree. My life at school was a hell. Between catequesis classes, having to do the first communion, and prayers (catholic idol prayers, I mean) my life at the priest school was a misery.


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And I'm sure you'd burn in hell if there was one.
Gee, thanks for the reassurance.

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As I said before, in the Medieval times, people needed something to believe in, because they didn't know why some things were happening. The same was in ancient times, yes. Now the times have changed.
People have been saying this at least since the Enlightenment, and I'm pretty sure a few ancient Greek philosophers said something similar as well. Nonetheless, despite an overall increase of scientific knowledge, religions today are as strong as ever, including the New Agey ones sprouting every day.


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Nobody is supposed to believe in science. That's the difference between science and religion. If you believe in science, that means you have no idea what science is.

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Also, there have been different movements, which moved away from the god and jesus' teachings (philosophy, the age of enlightenment, the French Revolution etc) so we can't say religion has always been that popular. There are 1.2 billion non-believers in the world right now, so even nowadays god isn't so popular as christians would like.
I might be overly pessimistic, but I honestly don't think today we have a larger percentage of atheists than ever before, especially when you take under account all of the neopagan/Wiccan/astrology/other New Age stuff.


And when I say atheists, I mean real atheists, that is rationally thinking people, and not people who claim to "believe" in science. Because a person who is gullible enough to believe in something, even science, without evidence, isn't that much different from the flat-earth/six-days literal Bible followers.

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That's the point where I have to agree with you. But same goes for orthodoxy, baptism and other christian movements.
And pretty much every other religion of the world. I think the Baha'i are the single noble exception as a religion that did not kill anyone, but it's just a question of time and number of believers.


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